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What classic films did or didn't live up to the hype?

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I am a film nut. I have wasted more hours in my life than I dare imagine watching movies, tracking down movies, and talking about film. I also am only 23 years old, and as such, was born after the classic or golden (or whatever cliche you choose) era of filmmaking. So I have gradually over the years managed to the majority of the more famous classics. Some have lived up to their billing, some not so much. So I ask you GAF, which classics lived up to the hype, and which did not? Keep in mind Im not saying any of these are bad films, so save the flames. I guess I'll define "classic" as roughly 25 years or older, so roughly anything from 1980 or earlier. As for myself, theres a ton I could do, but Ill just simply start with 6 and 6 (chronologically):

Films I felt lived up to the hype:

Casablanca (Curtiz, 1942) - I avoided this one for years, hating both romances and period dramas. On a whim I finally gave in and watched it, and it quickly became one of my favorite films ever, and made me a Bogart fan. This is as close to perfect as a movie gets in my eyes. Great screenplay, pacing, direction, and fantastic lead performances. Definately a timeless flick.
Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958) - Easily my favorite film Hitch ever did, I find it haunting and unforgettable. One of the greatest character studies about obsession and the descent into madness I have ever seen. Jimmy Stewart gives a performance that ranges from upbeat to melancholy to chilling. Fantastic score from the great Bernard Herrmann to boot.
2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968) - I think I loved this movie instantly (from the Strauss, man!), and yet I still dont understand, nor will I probably ever. But it does what all great cinema does, sticks with you and makes you think. Another masterful piece of direction from Kubrick, also features great cinematography, and effects that hold up surpisingly well today, 38 years later.
The Godfather (Coppola, 1972) - Not much really needs to be said about this one, as its maybe the greatest American film ever, and one of the greatest films from anywhere, at any time. Great acting, writing, cinematography, music, direction, etc. Just a pure masterpiece, plain and simple.
Taxi Driver (Scorsese, 1976) - The ultimate character study of isolation and loneliness in a big city. Easily my favorite Marty film, and De Niro is absolutely chilling as Travis. Ive never been able to fully voice what it is that this film does for me, but holy hell does it ever work. Kudos to Scorsese for his cameo in which he was completely convincing as a sociopathic cab rider. Another great Herrmann score here too.
Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979) - To my eyes, the greatest war film ever shot, and Coppola's fourth and final masterpiece. The imagery is just breathtaking, and I almost felt myself losing my sanity along with Sheen. I also cant end this without mentioning Duvall's great scenery chewing, and the legendary "Ride Of The Valkyries" scene, which has been often mimmicked and never topped.

Films I didn't feel lived up to the hype:

Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941) - The film is technically immaculate, and still stands as one of the greatest pieces of cinematography ever. Unfortunately, the film itself bores me to tears.
Rashomon (Kurosawa, 1950) - Perhaps its the fact that this has been copied so many times that it loses its effect. Or perhaps its because Kurosawa made so many films greater than this one. Either way, it just didnt do it for me like Throne Of Blood or Ran did.
North By Northwest (Hitchcock, 1959) - Dont get me wrong, I love this film. However, I was told many times when I was still a Hitch virgin that this was his greatest film. The fact that I see the films he made directly before (Vertigo) and after (Psycho) this one to be superior left me a bit disappointed.
The Wild Bunch (Peckinpah, 1969) - Ill just say that I'll take Leone's gritty version of the west over Peckinpah's any day of the week. Illl also take Leone's cast of characters too.
The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973) - Perhaps its that I had seen a slew of more recent and scarier films before I saw this that led to it not clicking with me. However, I tend to think its the fact that I am not religous and therefore have no deep faith that the film could have questioned.
Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) - I find this film to be almost a spiritual successor to Taxi Driver, yet it fails for me on every level that Taxi Driver worked. Sure, its another technical masterpiece from Marty, and De Niro gives a legendary performance, but the film just feels like its about *nothing* to me. Every time Ive seen it Im left with a "well, that was... something..." type feeling.
 
Solo said:
Films I didn't feel lived up to the hype:
Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941) - The film is technically immaculate, and still stands as one of the greatest pieces of cinematography ever. Unfortunately, the film itself bores me to tears.

It was a sled. Yeah, his childhood sled. There, I just saved you two hours of your life.
 
The Mummy (1999). My friends/brothers hyped it up as an Indiana Jones flick. Went to see it and was severely let down.

Ironically over the years my liking it has grown. would definitely say it is one of my more favorite action adventures... don't know why I was so let down by it in the theater.
 
borghe said:
The Mummy (1999). My friends/brothers hyped it up as an Indiana Jones flick. Went to see it and was severely let down.

Ironically over the years my liking it has grown. would definitely say it is one of my more favorite action adventures... don't know why I was so let down by it in the theater.

Thread Title said:
What classic films did or didn't live up to the hype?

wtf?
 
Solo said:
Films I didn't feel lived up to the hype:

Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941) - The film is technically immaculate, and still stands as one of the greatest pieces of cinematography ever. Unfortunately, the film itself bores me to tears.
Rashomon (Kurosawa, 1950) - Perhaps its the fact that this has been copied so many times that it loses its effect. Or perhaps its because Kurosawa made so many films greater than this one. Either way, it just didnt do it for me like Throne Of Blood or Ran did.
Taxi Driver (Scorsese, 1976) - The ultimate character study of isolation and loneliness in a big city. Easily my favorite Marty film, and De Niro is absolutely chilling as Travis. Ive never been able to fully voice what it is that this film does for me, but holy hell does it ever work. Kudos to Scorsese for his cameo in which he was completely convincing as a sociopathic cab rider. Another great Herrmann score here too.

I just added Taxi Driver to a film that didn't impress. I find that I don't love and adore most 'classic' movies, they're merely 'ok' or 'good'.

I'm not sure if Tarantino is classic, but goddamn do I hate that guy. I've never loved any of his movies, they're just... bad. Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs were his best, but I wouldn't rate them above average. Nothing that man has ever done is great. Certainly some of the most overrated films in recent memory and certainly on IMDb's imperfect top 250 list.
 
Solo said:
Raging Bull (Scorsese, 1980) - I find this film to be almost a spiritual successor to Taxi Driver, yet it fails for me on every level that Taxi Driver worked. Sure, its another technical masterpiece from Marty, and De Niro gives a legendary performance, but the film just feels like its about *nothing* to me. Every time Ive seen it Im left with a "well, that was... something..." type feeling.

Think of it as a film about what happens when you let emotion, aggression, and well... rage control your actions and relationships. As a Greek mythology nut, I loved it simply because it's the closest we have to a modern-day Greek tragedy--we see his downfall coming the entire time, but that doesn't make it any less effective when it actually happens. My favorite quote in this (and in almost any film): a bloody, pulpy, puffy-eyed De Niro taunts Sugar Ray: "You didn't get me down, Ray!"

My pick:

The Third Man: Certainly a good film, and the zither soundtrack is great, as is the cinematography. I just wasn't that absorbed by the characters/story. Welles' cuckoo clock quote is one of the most overrated, over-quoted lines in movie history.

I guess I've really enjoyed almost all of the classic films I've watched, although I think classic encompasses a much narrower range of films than most people think.
 
@ Solo: What did you think were FFC's other masterpieces?

The Godfather I & II (you can't not find II a masterpiece right?), Apocalypse Now and.........?

The Conversation I hope
 
Bud said:
@ Solo: What did you think were FFC's other masterpieces?

The Godfather I & II, Apocalypse Now and.........?

The Conversation I hope

Bingo! The one that no one ever mentions, which is a travesty.
 
The Roaring Twenties


Stars Humphrey Bogart and James Cagney in thier prime (1939).


A great movie that follows these two war buddies as they leave WWI and try to reintigrate themselves into society. One turns to bootlegging and the other tries to go the straight path. Of course, thier paths eventually cross again.


I have some sort of medical condition, where I begin to fall asleep anytime I watch a black and white film (unless Larry, Moe and Curly are involved). But, this movie had me entertained the whole time. The sets are pretty minimalistic (especially the war scenes) and some of the gangster lingo is trite. But, the movie moves at a good clip and kind of gives you a nice look at a period of time in America.
 
BiPolarGod said:
It was a sled. Its his sled from when he was a kid. There, I just saved you two boring boobless hours.
Its missing the one piece from FG that makes it hilarious. So I went ahead and added it.
 
I saw Casablanca for the first time this past summer and I agree 100% with everything you said. I had put it off for the longest time because I didn't think I'd be into it but it was fantastic. A definite must-see.
 
I was really let down by the first Matrix movie in theatres...It wasn't untill I caught it on video that I got it. Of course I was coming off thirds when I saw it and the entire time in the theatre I was fighting sleep. I'm sure that pre-occupied me.

Kane sucked as well

With Taxi Driver...I liked it coming away from it, but it's not something I really care to casually sit down and watch. Now if someone was interested I'd prolly watch it with them. Same goes for A Clockwork Orange
 
I'll add comments later.

Live up to the hype (and surpass):
Dr Strangelove
Seven Samaurai (and The Magnificent Seven)
Some Like It Hot
The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly

I've got a hard time filling out a list of classics that don't live up to the hype as it's really difficult for me to finish that kind of movie if I'm not enjoying it. I'd say Rashoman is what jumps out at me the most, especially because it was the first Kurosawa film I tried. Only other thing that really strikes me is The 400 Blows.
 
Son of Godzilla said:
I'll add comments later.

The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly

Didnt put this on my list, but its my favorite film of all time. Great pick!

Goodfellas underwhelmed me too. I do not think its even close to Scorsese's best.
 
Solo said:
Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941) - The film is technically immaculate, and still stands as one of the greatest pieces of cinematography ever. Unfortunately, the film itself bores me to tears.
Based on what you're saying there, Citizen Kane did live up to the hype. Aesthetically, it's jerk-off material for technically literate movie buffs (critics, academics, etc), which is where most of the hype comes from. Sort of like how Chinatown gives boners to wannabe writers. If you liked what you saw, you should watch The Trial! It's everything that was awesome about Citizen Kane x 1 thousand.

The Exorcist is definitely one that just completely flew over my head. That and Rosemary's Baby. The devil just isn't scary.
 
I agree with the OP on Citizen Kane and also submit the Fritz Lang version of Metropolis. I respect it for what it is but it's boring as shite.
 
I'd heard good things for years about The Masque of the Red Death (1964) - Vincent Price and then finally got to see it, last year I think. For me it lived up to its hype. Great flick.
 
THE WILD BUNCH -- Lived up to, then surpassed the hype. An amazing, amazingly violent film.

THE DEER HUNTER -- Same as above, and the famous scene (Russian Roulette) really was amazing.
 
KingGondo said:
Welles' cuckoo clock quote is one of the most overrated, over-quoted lines in movie history.

:(

Well, I certainly don't think it's over-quoted. I hadn't heard it until I watched the movie a couple years back. The Third Man is probably my favorite noir.

I <3 Orson Welles, but I'm not huge on rewatching Citizen Kane. I think he produced much more interesting, albeit flawed, material when he had to wrestle to get his work done.
 
Hitler Stole My Potato said:
I submit that any version of Metropolis sucks. Fritz Lang or otherwise.

You obviously have not seen the 80s remake where they took out the old score and replaced it with various new wave pop jingles that WOULD DRIVE THE AVERAGE FILMGOER TO THE POINT WHERE HE WANTED TO SWALLOW GRENADES AND WASH THEM DOWN WITH HYDROCHLORIC ACID.
 
Yeah, The Exorcist is really overrated. Basically the whole thing is predicated on shock value, which just doesn't cut it anymore when the worst you have is a young girl stabbing herself in the crotch with a crucifix. I mean, we're on the Internet.

Rosemary's Baby, on the other hand, is probably the best horror/suspense film ever. If you haven't seen it, watch it immediately.
 
One movie I hate that everyone seems to love and think of as a "future classic" is American Beauty- I thought it was trite and sappy.
 
Two films I've watched recently:

Lived up to hype--The Big Sleep. It's not just the Bogart and Bacall pairing, but that literally every woman with a speaking part in the movie is drop-dead gorgeous and starts slinging one-liners the second she appears on screen. I could listen to dialogue like that all day long.

Didn't live up to hype--Birth of a Nation. Film scholars defend this film by saying that in spite of its racism, it's a landmark moment in the history of developing film language (first film to be shot in more than one location; first film to use reaction shots in its particular fashion, etc.). Not only is it the most astonishingly racist film I've ever seen, but from a narrative perspective it's incredibly boring and slowly paced; moreover, its character development is horrible, even compared to other silent films of the period. The technical advances aren't enough to balance out those shortcomings. The movie's somewhat interesting because it's yet another propaganda film that Peter Jackson steals shots from for the Lord of the Rings trilogy. But give me silent Cecil B. DeMille or silent Fritz Lang over that any day of the week.

P.S. As long as we're on the subject of Scorsese (who keeps coming up in this thread)--as I've gotten older I've come to prefer his atypical, "minor" films over the ones to which his name is most often attached. The Last Temptation of Christ, Kundun, The Age of Innocence--I could watch those over and over again. Goodfellas, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver--not so much.
 
agreed in Apocalypse Now and Casablanca. sadly I haven't seen a lot of classic movies, but those 2 are amazing and pretty much in my top 10. I don't know if it's a classic or not, but for foreign films, one of my favorites by Zhang Yimou is Shanghai Triad. I've seen like 4 of his movies and that's my favorite one so far.
 
It's not a classic per-say (more like a cult classic), but this thread made me think of The Warriors. Prior to the game coming out I think the special edition DVD was about to be released, and the morning radio station I listen to while going to work was talking about it. They were discussing movies that every guy should own and this was on their list and they went on raving about it. Up until that day I never even heard of the movie. Well I rented it and sure enough it definitely lived up to what the talk show hosts were talking about and I think I've watched it about 3-4 times since then. Then after I purchased the game it made me appreciate it even more. It's not a masterpiece of a movie, but it is definitely a cult classic.
 
Prospero said:
Two films I've watched recently:

Lived up to hype--The Big Sleep. It's not just the Bogart and Bacall pairing, but that literally every woman with a speaking part in the movie is drop-dead gorgeous and starts slinging one-liners the second she appears on screen. I could listen to dialogue like that all day long.

Great film, just recently watched it myself for the first time. And I agree completely about the women. I knew I was going to like it straight away when the woman playing Bacall's sister starts hitting instantly on Bogart. Howard Hawks made some great movies.
 
Kubrick's The Shining.

Did NOT live up the hype. In fact, I thought it was pretty boring...and goddamn I can't fucking stand Shelly Duvalls's one-emotion performance.
 
One more yay vote for the Third Man. Harry Lime is the one of the most amoral evil SOBs I've seen in film.

I could never get into Vertigo. I know, living in the Bay Area, I'm supposed to be amazed by old-school San Francisco - and I am, but I could never buy the premise. That said, Kim Novak's so hot.
 
The Wizard of Oz - Aside from some stuff with the witch and the flying monkeys (!!!) I find this movie pretty dull and annoying. There are neat ideas and whatnot, and the story is ripe for another adaptation, that is, if the musical weren't so glorified.

Hitler Stole My Potato said:
I submit that any version of Metropolis sucks. Fritz Lang or otherwise.
Die.
 
SpoonyBard said:
The Sound of Music - not enough good songs and the plot was not that interesting.


Admit it, you were tapping your feet at "You are 16 going on 17 baby, I want your sex.."
 
Yeah, Citizen Kane is a bit underwhelming, storywise, and it has some slow spots. But the amount of new cinematic techniques it featured for its time is dazzling.

One that I don't agree is overrated is Rashomon. Yeah, the narrative device of multiple viewpoints has been copied many times since, but I found it fascinating.
When they up the ante and get even the dead person's perspective via a psychic, what an awesome twist
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Casablanca: I love that movie. I was expecting to just like it all right, like the Treasure of the Sierra Madre, but it's one of my favorite movies.
 
I agree that Citizen Kane is boring narratively (something most people won't admit for fear of sounding dumb), but I have to say the Roger Ebert commentary is fantastic. I don't think watching the film on its own gives the average viewer a very good idea of why it's so highly praised. The trick shots are so well done that you have no idea they're even trick shots. And it says something when a film made in 1941 makes you say "how the hell did they think of that?"

North By Northwest (Hitchcock, 1959) - Dont get me wrong, I love this film. However, I was told many times when I was still a Hitch virgin that this was his greatest film. The fact that I see the films he made directly before (Vertigo) and after (Psycho) this one to be superior left me a bit disappointed.

Whattttttt. Whoever told you that should be kicked in the head. That's like saying Jurassic Park is Steven Spielberg's greatest film.
 
Scarface - Come on, this is just ridiculous.

Superman 78 - What's all of this Superman as Jesus shit that has nothing to do with Superman or the fourty years of history he had prior to this film? I HATE when people use biblical refrences in attempt to add depth or meaning to their film. Get fucked and write a real story, don't just borrow shit from the Bible. Reeve looked the part though, and there are moments in this that I love, but otherwise, le meh.
 
Rebel Without a Cause is giant piece of emo crap, no matter how dreamy James Dean might be (which is considerably lessened whenever he's giving some overblown rant on 'honesty'). Most of the stuff in the film is just so corny.

Oh shit, that kid killed puppies! I'm genuinely disturbed by this overt display of teenage angst!
 
Teddman said:
Yeah, Citizen Kane is a bit underwhelming, storywise, and it has some slow spots. But the amount of new cinematic techniques it featured for its time is dazzling.

One that I don't agree is overrated is Rashomon. Yeah, the narrative device of multiple viewpoints has been copied many times since, but I found it fascinating.
When they up the ante and get even the dead person's perspective via a psychic, what an awesome twist
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don't you dasre say that to reirom
 
jett said:
Kubrick's The Shining.

Did NOT live up the hype. In fact, I thought it was pretty boring...and goddamn I can't fucking stand Shelly Duvalls's one-emotion performance.

Duvall is annoying as fuck, and I wanted her to die quickly, so agreed there. However, thats all I can agree on. The Shining is my second fav Kubrick film behind 2001.

karasu said:
Scarface - Come on, this is just ridiculous.

I agree that its a bloated mess from a coked up De Palma.
However, it is one of my guilty pleasures, for no other reasons than the sleazy, excessive 80's Miami setting and Pacino's most over the top performance ever :D I always get a chuckle when Tony Montana is in his office and has that mountain of coke on his desk :lol
 
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