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What dev would be best for a new F-ZERO?
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GusZamboni
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Fzero open universe? Criterion FTW!
EatinOlives
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As much of the people involved in GX as possible.
That game was the pinnacle of futuristic arcade racing. Maybe involve a different team if you want a different experience but for tried-and-true I'd go with reassembling the GX team.
That game was the pinnacle of futuristic arcade racing. Maybe involve a different team if you want a different experience but for tried-and-true I'd go with reassembling the GX team.
YESSSSS
Natureboy99
Banned
Marion Kart 8 doesn't touch F-Zeros two biggest characteristics: Speed and number of racers. Those 2 things alone make the gameplay very different from MK. Thinking back on GC, I remember F-Zero GX as a timeless materpiece of ultra hard core gameplay. I remember MK DD as just another MK game that I played once or twice.
I explained the differences between F-Zero and MK8 on the last page, but it was buried at the bottom:
F-Zero is only superficially similar to Mario Kart 8.
F-Zero has antigravity but you want to avoid obstacles and other racers. F-Zero has much more sensitive controls and a much stronger sense of speed. F-Zero incorporates wild track vacillations that simply aren't present in MK8 -- corkscrews into half-pipes onto tube tracks onto steps. F-Zero has a health system that drains as you boost or collide with obstacles, a risk-reward mechanic not present in MK8 that tempts you to push your vehicle to its breaking point and punishes you if you err in execution. You spin to attack and defend -- there is only close-range combat, nothing ranged. F-Zero has no items to balance the field; it's all skill and concentration, with nothing left to luck.
The two games are not similar in any meaningful way whatsoever.
F-Zero is only superficially similar to Mario Kart 8.
F-Zero has antigravity but you want to avoid obstacles and other racers. F-Zero has much more sensitive controls and a much stronger sense of speed. F-Zero incorporates wild track vacillations that simply aren't present in MK8 -- corkscrews into half-pipes onto tube tracks onto steps. F-Zero has a health system that drains as you boost or collide with obstacles, a risk-reward mechanic not present in MK8 that tempts you to push your vehicle to its breaking point and punishes you if you err in execution. You spin to attack and defend -- there is only close-range combat, nothing ranged. F-Zero has no items to balance the field; it's all skill and concentration, with nothing left to luck.
The two games are not similar in any meaningful way whatsoever.
Almost first post. Perfect answer.
The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see EAD Group No. 1 work on this in-between Mario Karts, with assistance from Sega AM2 (where many GX/AX vets moved).
Seeing how far EAD pushed the WiiU with MK8, I wonder if they could push even further and hit 1080p 60fps (something Wipeout "cheated" to obtain on PS3, a similarly-powered system), or 60 fps in four-player splitscreen. Stick to simple but atmospheric backgrounds, and with no items to worry about, they can focus purely on performance racing.
Seeing how far EAD pushed the WiiU with MK8, I wonder if they could push even further and hit 1080p 60fps (something Wipeout "cheated" to obtain on PS3, a similarly-powered system), or 60 fps in four-player splitscreen. Stick to simple but atmospheric backgrounds, and with no items to worry about, they can focus purely on performance racing.
Arc Christelle
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Sega AM2
Isn't Nagoshi like a chief creative officer at Sega now? He could still shape the project, but he'd probably have someone else direct, unless I'm misunderstanding his rank and responsibilities.
EAD Group No. 1 and Sega AM2 make F-Zero for WiiU. Technical marvel hitting 1080p 60fps. Return of dedicated Death Race. Expansion Kit-style track editor. Online.
Monster Games makes Wave Race... crossed with Excite Truck. Basically, Wave Race, but with Excite Truck's speed, turbo mechanic, scoring system and terrain change (whirlpools, waterfalls, waterspouts, etc). Call it Excite Wave.
Isleofsancroy
Banned
Funcom or Naught Dog.
I don't think they've ever made anything as big or as polished as an F-Zero would need to be but I think if we're naming indie devs then Qubic Games would be good. They're the developers of the AiRace games on DSiware and eShop which I think shows they can get the aesthetics, controls and sense of speed down nicely.
Then again Remote Racers was turrible....
AiRace Spe3D gameplay
Then again Remote Racers was turrible....
AiRace Spe3D gameplay
simplythebest
Banned
Psygnosis
Lucidforest
Neo Member
TEAM MEAT!
Just kidding.
I would be happy with:
A team led by Toshihiro Nagoshi.
A team led by Alex Ward.
Or Nintendo EAD.
Just kidding.
I would be happy with:
A team led by Toshihiro Nagoshi.
A team led by Alex Ward.
Or Nintendo EAD.
Hitlersaurus Christ
Banned
AV was absorbed back into Sega, but the main people behind GX are still there I think. The staff might end up having more overlap with other former Sega teams but I think another one by a lot of the AV people would be possible.
But realistically? Sumo Digital. All they need to do is manage 60fps and the rest would be GX-ish I'm sure. Their experience with Sega has led them to create great racers, and Transformed got up to F-Zero speeds pretty regularly.
But realistically? Sumo Digital. All they need to do is manage 60fps and the rest would be GX-ish I'm sure. Their experience with Sega has led them to create great racers, and Transformed got up to F-Zero speeds pretty regularly.
I find it difficult to say, but all things considered, the Amusement Vision team did a brilliant job, no lie. If given the chance, I'd have the entire team recalled, reinstated and reinforced by capable current staff of Ninty, forming a development team being both knowledgeable about gameplay and graphics.
F-Zero GX / AX was a masterpiece in both regards, if regrettably less recognized. Were it up to me, It'd go exactly as I said above. Combining both technical expertise and knowledge about what makes a racer like this just click would make for the ultimate fusion.
Not that I don't trust whoever made up the fromer AV Team, but right now it wouldn't hurt to have experienced internal Nintendo staff onboard, if a new mainline F-Zero was to be developed.
Make it so, Miyamoto. Make it so.
F-Zero GX / AX was a masterpiece in both regards, if regrettably less recognized. Were it up to me, It'd go exactly as I said above. Combining both technical expertise and knowledge about what makes a racer like this just click would make for the ultimate fusion.
Not that I don't trust whoever made up the fromer AV Team, but right now it wouldn't hurt to have experienced internal Nintendo staff onboard, if a new mainline F-Zero was to be developed.
Make it so, Miyamoto. Make it so.
Also, Metroid Prime 4 / Zer0? Yes please!
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
It's saddening to see people say, even jokingly, that Mario Kart 8 and F-Zero are meaningfully similar. I mean, I guess Super Metroid is basically the same as Super Mario World because both are side scrollers that incorporate platforming?
I think there are a number of studios that could do the job well with Nintendo overseeing the project, but I doubt anyone would do it better than EAD. Given that they probably aren't going to work on it, and Nintendo probably won't hand it off to anyone else either, I hope Shinen targets F-Zero a little more closely with FAST Neo than did with FAST Racing on Wii.
I think there are a number of studios that could do the job well with Nintendo overseeing the project, but I doubt anyone would do it better than EAD. Given that they probably aren't going to work on it, and Nintendo probably won't hand it off to anyone else either, I hope Shinen targets F-Zero a little more closely with FAST Neo than did with FAST Racing on Wii.
This may be a bit of an unpopular opinion around here, but I'd give F-Zero to EAD before Amusement Vision if both teams were available and I had to pick one. While GX was an incredible refinement of the series' formula, the two games developed in-house always seemed more ambitious to me and featured certain elements that have yet to be surpassed even to this day (the various hazards of the SNES original and X's track editor, for instance). I wouldn't be surprised if EAD could come up with physics and a sense of speed at least on par with GX's either.
EAD is also responsible for the art style that best fits F-Zero, in my opinion;
EAD is also responsible for the art style that best fits F-Zero, in my opinion;
Ugh. No thank-you.
Sumo are fine for ports, but their own games lack the spark of Sega's or Nintendo's own studios. Sonic Racing is one of the most sterile racing games I've ever played. And Sumo games target 60fps, but always suffer frame skips.
If they can't get Nagoshi back on board, then I'd have a million times more faith in an internal Nintendo studio making a worthy F-Zero than Sumo.
Gold medal to this man.
Sumo Digital are good but even they bow down to Amusement Vision as they are one of their most inspiring game developers (and I know that very well on a personal note). Sumo Digital are great for porting or being steered by an awesome director, producer, and game designer from Sega.
I probably love Platinum Games more than you but I wouldn't vouch for them to create racing games just yet. Besides, are you seriously denying the developers behind F-Zero AX/GX, the best F-Zero of all time?
The Xtortionist
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Assuming the GX team isn't available...Retro, baby! They handed the transition from an FPS to a 2D platformer masterfully so I have full confidence in them to deliver another mindblowing game in a different genre (though they have a bit of a headstart with MK7). Oh, and dat fucking Retro Studios sci-fi art.
Yeah, I liked the backgrounds in GX (Lightning, Casino Palace, Aeropolis, etc), but I preferred X for the comic-style character art and buttrock music.EAD is also responsible for the art style that best fits F-Zero, in my opinion;
People are unironically supporting the idea of Monster Games developing F-Zero? Excite Truck didn't exactly light the gaming world on fire. The guys aren't really A-tier developers.
I don't know how much of the original AV team is still in tact, but I'd suggest they do it. If not, then EAD. Platinum Games haven't made a racing game yet, but they've done a pretty good job with nearly every game they released, so I'd be willing to give them a shot.
I don't know how much of the original AV team is still in tact, but I'd suggest they do it. If not, then EAD. Platinum Games haven't made a racing game yet, but they've done a pretty good job with nearly every game they released, so I'd be willing to give them a shot.
Shikamaru Ninja
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Did you pick that developer our of a straw hat?
He probably picked them because they remade most of the assets for Wind Waker HD. They'd still need a core EAD team on it though imo.
The people that worked on F-Zero GX were all former Arcade racing game experts, Daytona, Scud Race, you name it.
These are still at Sega (one of the few quality teams still intact), but you woudn't know it, seeing as how Yakuza is all they do nowadays.
Similarly how you woudn't know that the F-Zero X developers are at Nintendo, since that department has done Wii Fit and other things like that.
BlazeBreak
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Maybe the success of MK8 will help push toward the development of a new F-Zero. Arcade-y racing is a genre that's pretty dead nowadays, but Mario Kart's enduring success and Sonic Racing Transformed hopefully show there's still an audience (yes, F-Zero's a fundamentally different game in many aspects, but Kart Racers are pretty much the closest thing to it with stuff like Wipeout/etc dead).