Yes they are totally going to implement a strategy that cost them huge market share even though it never saw the light of day
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What exactly is Microsoft's big idea for gaming? [POLYGON]
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Makes sense
If you think we are jaded ask yourself how we became this way? Its not possible that MS has fed us horsedung for years and tried to pass it of as Crème brûlée? Yeah that is why.
Anyway, the frame that has been presented is that this is for PC. It is not. Its for Xbox and Surface. Nothing indicates anything nelse other than wishful thinking.
gamechanger87
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How would this work only for Surface? Surface will run on W10 along with all other PCs?
gamechanger87
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I'm expecting a Perfect Dark reboot and Banjo at E3 this year.
Hockeymac18
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No. The frame that it has been presented as has been for Xbox and W10 devices (PCs, tablets, even phones eventually). They have already shown Xbox to W10 streaming, and they have already said many times that they are working on PC to Xbox streaming (something that is a little more complicated due to the different input options offered by the PC).
As I said earlier, why stream something I can play natively?
The surface is pretty crappy for gaming its only due to the small form factor that the games doesn't look completely like ass. At least if you want to run them at a stable frame rate. This goes for nin gaming PCs as well.
Ken Lobb said in January that PD is not being worked on.
gamechanger87
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Ah oh well. Still expecting Banjo.
Galactic Barret
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I don't get it. I understand the streaming aspect, as MS expects that to be big for the PC segment, but is this a stop-gap until they put (more of) their first party offerings on PC, or is it the solution? Can you mod streamed games?
I don't get why this would make a PC gamer want an XBO if they didn't already have/want one. I feel like I must be missing something...
Could that new "Hardcore" controller theyre designing be Surface compatible? That could make streaming to Surface appealing. Hmm...
I don't get why this would make a PC gamer want an XBO if they didn't already have/want one. I feel like I must be missing something...
Could that new "Hardcore" controller theyre designing be Surface compatible? That could make streaming to Surface appealing. Hmm...
Yes? Multiplats are routinely performing better on lesser GPU's than a PS4.
And the situation is only going to be even more optimal for PC once DX12 and Open GL Next hit.
If you look at real world games/scenarios - none apparently. I agree that on paper there should be some. And maybe there will be, in 3 years, when PC hardware is 4 times as powerful as an Xbone.
I don't necessarily diagree. As I mentioned, for aPC gamer with a half capable PC this is not appealing, except in the niche case of already owning an Xbone because of Xbone exlcusives, and needing to not take up the TV while playing.
For non PC gamers, it's a nice way to do the above too.
I answered that question. That's where cross-buy comes in. If a game was made for cross-buy, you can play natively. In the case one doesn't have a game that supports cross-buy, they can at least stream. Being able to play is better than not being able to play. People have stated many times before, it's for when the TV that the xbox is connected to is being used and you want to play games, and the game you have doesn't support cross-buy, you can play it on a Windows 10 device...this includes Lenovo, Dell, HP, and MS laptops/tablets. If you aren't in that position where this scenario doesn't apply to you...you aren't the benefactor of this use case, but the fact remains is that it is a viable use case.
Galactic Barret said:
See above response. Also, it's not about making a PC gamer buy an Xbox. I don't know how many times people ask this question. It's about selling you games in their ecosystem so that they get a cut. They don't care if it's from Xbox, PC, Mobile, Hololens, Surface Hub, Rasberry Pi, or whatever...they want you to buy from their store so that they get a cut from sales. It is that simple.
"I feel like I'm taking crazy pills."
He claimed that there were more people with Xbones than PC gamers with Xbone like hardware.
He is WRONG.
It's that simple. And he knew that. He was just trying to phrase it in a way that seemed like he wasn't wrong. Disingenuous.
Again, that simple.
GuitarAtomik
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Why do you keep bringing this up as if MS has ever tried to sell the Surface as a hardcore gaming laptop? Besides, as a laptop not focused on it, it runs games fine.
Call a spade a spade, all of this legwork to build an ecosystem and get consumers to lock in and invest in it is part of a long-term strategy to control and monetize an entire media supply chain. You can't sell back or share your Steam games or iOS apps either. And that's fine, just call it what it is.
Honestly, I think this E3 may be a little different from what you may expect. Well at least E3 is the place where they truly have to put up or shut up about being serious with games. All these other conferences aren't geared to games but moreso the people who make game. The next one is //build/ and after that E3. So we'll hear more stuff about game development stuff (which I'm excited about so I can freaking dev on my xbox) and then finally games. E3, gamescom, tokyo game show, those are when MS talks about games themselves.
Yeah as I said that it only works ok because of the small form factor of the screen, thought it was obvious but anyway, yes. So you can set everything to low and have a really low resolution without it suffering and the frame rate will be stable. Heck even some indie games run at 60 fps but truth of the matter is that it's pretty much worthless for modern games that aren't indies(nothing wrong with indies, I play them more than anything else).
Yeah everything that follows the smaller form factor would probably benefit from this but it isn't really *PC* gaming. It's a substitute in an emergency. It still isn't even close to *we care about PC gamers*, it's just more boha to, imo, push surface tablets and yes ofc other vendors will join in if they can make a sale. Nah only thing I agree to is as you said, if you have no other choice.
One more thing, I don't really give a crap about what people state(think and make up). It was what MS said about the exciting news for US PC gamers that I cared about and they didn't deliver shit on that. Just more talks about nothing.
Yea, I've seen that stupid post a bunch of times. The thing what is different is that Xbox has been on a different OS since the inception of Xbox. It was always a tailored OS. Now it's straight up running W10. It makes more sense to have everything in line. Maybe because you are only looking at it from a gamers perspective and not with everything else that Microsoft is doing to lead credence to what they say. I've been burned by Microsoft as well and I've been waiting to see when they would finally do ish that made sense. Windows 8 with the design language is close but Windows 10 and Universal Apps (which is already out with Windows 8 mind you but with PC and phone, which is already a reason why I believe it)
But you can go ahead and be pessimistic, that's fine. I'll go with the information presented in front of me.
Also, people who were in charge of Games for Windows...totally different team now. But that doesn't matter to you...apparently.
EDIT:
I want to know, what would be a benefit for Microsoft and PC gaming and users...besides DX12 and releasing all their upcoming 1st party games on PC through their store? That's the only thing that I can think of that makes "PC Gamers" think that MS doesn't care. Is that it?
But you can go ahead and be pessimistic, that's fine. I'll go with the information presented in front of me.
Also, people who were in charge of Games for Windows...totally different team now. But that doesn't matter to you...apparently.
EDIT:
I want to know, what would be a benefit for Microsoft and PC gaming and users...besides DX12 and releasing all their upcoming 1st party games on PC through their store? That's the only thing that I can think of that makes "PC Gamers" think that MS doesn't care. Is that it?
Galactic Barret
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Yeah, I get that, they want you in their ecosystem. I can understand if its an app or something independant of the hardware, but if you need an XBO, and you don't want one, this does nothing? Thats my hangup: Do you still need an XBO, and if-so, what about this would encourage you to want one if you didn't before?
You shouldn't take pills unless prescribed to you by a licensed physician.
let's check the colour of that balance sheet again
I don't have any prescription but lawl. I see your point and I understand why you don't see it as a benefit to PC gaming. Here me out.
There is no in your face benefit. It's about the games being made will make it easier for a developer to make a game for PC that they were going to only make for Xbox. How many times have you seen a game made for Xbox that you saw others around the internet wish it was for PC as well? I'm sure there's a good number. What this does is basically try to not leave PC gamers in the dark from Xbox games. This won't happen overnight, I don't think that Halo 5 will have this functionality (only because it would require rewriting but who knows) but it should come. Remember, this was a developer conference. I stated this in my long ass post. They are telling developers...build using Universal Apps, reach all of your potential consumers. That is why this is big. It's no different than saying what's the benefit of DX12? It's something that Microsoft made so that developers can take advantage of for their consumers. DX12 brings graphics...Universal Apps brings games. And just like DX12, universal apps have to be used by the developer for the benefit.
Hopefully that makes sense.
When that time comes, and preferably not 2-3 years after initial release, I'll be happy.
But for now? Yeah it's horse dung which they are trying to pass of as Crème brûlée.
For DX12 it was the natural evolution or be left in the dust and slowly dying. And every sane person should prefer that the Open Source equivalent that supports more platforms would be the leader instead of a proprietary code that lives and dies by a single owner.
heh, I always shake my head and laugh at that. I mean sure, I can see why people would believe that that is all there is to the Xbox brand as it has been heavily marketed there.....but come on.
Clintizzle
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The fact that my future Surface Pro will effectively become a second Xbox One console is pretty much it for me. Makes it an amazing device. Can't wait to get one.
ForsakenLotus
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Microsoft wants to sell software and hardware. While the streaming functionality is useful, I don't think it's going to sell a lot of either. If you are a PC gamer and Microsoft releases a game on their platform that you want, you are going to buy the game. If they release a game on the Xbox One that you can't buy on the PC but you can stream to the PC, I highly doubt any significant amount of people are going to buy an Xbox One. You can't look at this in a vacuum.
LegalEagleMike
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I love my Surface Pro. As a solo law practitioner it is easily my favorite piece of office equipment.
I think they're big plans are to use Windows 10 as a way to get consumers to buy other products in their lineup. So if you have an Xbox One, you might then pickup a Windows phone or Surface tablet because of how it all connects together.
Considering the Xbox brand is definitely stronger in those terms of potential consumer expansion, I would expect that's where the brand is heading towards. PC gaming is a footnote until there's serious competition in that space, and with the free upgrade for a lot of users-- it's hard to see many consumers ditching a Windows OS for something else just to play games.
Considering the Xbox brand is definitely stronger in those terms of potential consumer expansion, I would expect that's where the brand is heading towards. PC gaming is a footnote until there's serious competition in that space, and with the free upgrade for a lot of users-- it's hard to see many consumers ditching a Windows OS for something else just to play games.
SteveWinwood
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i dont care if you want a new client or anything
just put a minimum effort version on steam at the very least
i dont mind missing out on gamerscore achievements or whatever i swear
just put a minimum effort version on steam at the very least
i dont mind missing out on gamerscore achievements or whatever i swear
So Microsoft has to release their PC games on Steam for them to be valid?
This feels, once again, like Microsoft spent quite a bit of effort trying to solve a problem that didn't exist.
And yes, people that remember GFWL are justifiably wary of any Microsoft PC gaming ecosystems. Why wouldn't they be? Microsoft has an established history, and you can't simply ignore it when they claim they've changed.
And yes, people that remember GFWL are justifiably wary of any Microsoft PC gaming ecosystems. Why wouldn't they be? Microsoft has an established history, and you can't simply ignore it when they claim they've changed.
Bluemercury
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Doubtful. Considering their main audience..
aygomyownroad
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If the steaming between the Xbox One and Windows 10 pcs can be done and done well by cheap tablets/laptops then I will bite on the tablet or laptop.
off TV play with the WiiU is fantastic and look forward to this feature for the Xbox one.
off TV play with the WiiU is fantastic and look forward to this feature for the Xbox one.
Disaster Nebraska
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Of the Big Three, whoever decides to be more flexible with their games and become more platform agnostic will win big next gen. "Please do everything within our ecosystem" is soooo 2010.
You didn't read the article, did you?
The OP's highlights are just one slice of the narrative.
Like SEGA?
im crine u sound mad as hell for litterally no reason.
dude called it a media box lel you sound like them kids on YouTube whos still call Microsoft "M$"
soul creator
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Technically, you can still be "within an ecosystem" and platform agnostic. At least, that's what MS is going for.
Someone can use Office on a PC, Mac, Tablet, Android phone or tablet, windows phone or tablet, iPhone, or iPad ("platform agnostic") and still be within the MS ecosystem.
Unless platform agnostic means "also supports Linux or web browsers", lol
edit: maybe you meant hardware ecosystem?
I stated this in the quote... they just want to sell u software that they get a cut out of. They are trying to sell Xbox Ones to people who want a console to begin with. Having the ability to stream to any w10 device isn't a benefit for pc vs Xbox, it's a benefit for Xbox vs ps4 and a benefit of windows phone vs. Iphone/android for game apps. It's an added value to buying an Xbox vs buying a ps4. Most people have a windows 7 or 8 computer and with it being a free upgrade, MS sees most of them going to w10. So then most people have w10 pc, now out of the box, Xbox has an advantage over ps4. Not only streaming games but all other w10 apps that are made for Xbox that aren't games but add value to the user. Then the same thing with phone games that can be tailored for the Xbox screen with universal apps.
You are the one looking at it through a vacuum of pc and Xbox when its not only about that. It's about affecting all areas of gaming in windows ecosystem.
Actually, yes, I did read the article. The element that the author is most excited about is "streaming Xbox One games to PC". That's the "solution to a problem that doesn't exist" that I'm referring to.
And that was the best line of contribution you could manage?
ebullientprism
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Seems utterly useless to be honest. I can see the appeal of streaming from PC to TV. Bigger screen is a HUGE draw. As is sitting back on the sofa and using a controller. Why would I ever want to stream from the Xbox to the PC? Sub HD games being streamed on a screen where you sit 2 feet from it so they look way worse than they do on the TV? There are just no upsides to that. Aside from someone else wanting to the use the TV maybe. That reasoning worked great for Nintendo.
Touched a nerve did he? Rare betrayalton still hurt?
That was the best line I could come up with for the amount of effort I was willing to put in. You might not be as disappointed if you keep that in mind during future readings of my posts.
dgrdsv
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I'll settle for them releasing these games digitally ANYWHERE in 2015. How about that?
The whole Windows 10 | Xbox connection is basically Microsoft's way of getting supplementary income from their other devices which is fine if they do intend on having the streaming work well and having all of their exclusives on PC.
But I do have to wonder...if they make XBL free for the PC crowd and they have access to the whole Xbox library then what incentives are they going to throw in for XBO owners who DO pay for Live? Are they going to disable the need for Live for multiplayer? Make it more of a free game/discount service like PS+? Add better features for the console?
I get the whole getting people to buy into their ecosystem business since it's going for a wider demographic and as said above it's an extra source of income from software on other hardware but wouldn't they still want to entice more people to go to the console to get the XBL marketplace cuts AND gold subs?
The only other thing I can think of to maybe remedy that is keeping some games console exclusive or making them timed exclusive to the One to make them feel like they're getting a bit more.
But I do have to wonder...if they make XBL free for the PC crowd and they have access to the whole Xbox library then what incentives are they going to throw in for XBO owners who DO pay for Live? Are they going to disable the need for Live for multiplayer? Make it more of a free game/discount service like PS+? Add better features for the console?
I get the whole getting people to buy into their ecosystem business since it's going for a wider demographic and as said above it's an extra source of income from software on other hardware but wouldn't they still want to entice more people to go to the console to get the XBL marketplace cuts AND gold subs?
The only other thing I can think of to maybe remedy that is keeping some games console exclusive or making them timed exclusive to the One to make them feel like they're getting a bit more.
Stillmatic
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Reading the article sounds like MS have reinvented streaming from consoles.
Streaming is a great feature and I'm glad MS are finally offering some streaming options, it's been great on PS4.
Streaming is a great feature and I'm glad MS are finally offering some streaming options, it's been great on PS4.
Lol. What a tiny world you live in. It might surprise you to know that alot of people enjoy gaming on a pc Where monitors take up a larger field of view, where you are more engaged with the game.
As a pc gamer i get both the comfy couch and the more in your face experience and i like it that way.