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What happen to Tales of Zestiria in Japan ? (Amazon score 1.6/5)
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What happened with JoJo?
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I heard the story and characters are better than Xillia's and Graces'.
That's a realllly low bar to set with Grace
Massive hype and promises and ended up being an absolute shit game.
There were so many return copies that retailers were selling the game for $5 two weeks after launch and were giving the game away for free for anyone who purchased a PS3.
She's a cute oujosama who rather wants to be a knight than a princess. Also her seiyuu is good too, she kicks ass and was promoted as the main heroin(e).
She's fucking kawaii.
She also had her own high detailed Alter figure.
I can imagine how many Tales fans take this matter seriously lololol
I liked her design and I thought she was the main heroine
Dreamgazer
Member
Yep...still can't get rid of my import copy at a reasonable price. -_-
Yup. She was advertised a lot as well. That combined with the weak excuses from Baba has really helped with the backlash I think.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
F2P style paid time reduction and the most bare bones story mode of any Jojo game ever, which is a pretty big crime for fan games. Also assy net code
Xillia too. Maybe it gets better further in but I lost interest fairly quickly
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Bingo. That severance between what goodness the devs make and what Scamco brass won't learn to stop doing is getting drowned out by "MUH PANTSLESS WAIFU" and "I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT OUR CULTURE, BUT I'M AN EXPERT, AND HONOR AND SHAME ARE A HUGE PART OF IT REGUARDING VESPERIA ON PS3".
Hell, knowing player psychology, it'll help the game's dlc and overseas sales via devil's advocacy just from how frothing the hate is.
buddha0991
Member
imagine if the guy in your avatar was heavily marketed and promoted as a main character/party member in P5 and was given his own anime and had a cool figure and you grow attached to that character and look forward to kicking ass with him only to find out hes in the game for 1 hour.
I have no attachment to the tales series as a whole, but I get it lol.
Also I heard the game has way more problems than just a bait and switch character.
chrominance
Member
Wait.
Did I miss the part where Japanese gamers abandoned Final Fantasy XIII-2 in droves because it turned out you played as Lightning for a single chapter before Serah becomes the main character? (unless I missed some bits at the end, I haven't finished the game yet)
I mean, maybe Square did a better job of setting expectations about how XIII-2 would unfold, but the Zestiria situation basically sounds like crazytown to me.
Did I miss the part where Japanese gamers abandoned Final Fantasy XIII-2 in droves because it turned out you played as Lightning for a single chapter before Serah becomes the main character? (unless I missed some bits at the end, I haven't finished the game yet)
I mean, maybe Square did a better job of setting expectations about how XIII-2 would unfold, but the Zestiria situation basically sounds like crazytown to me.
As opposed to her being some temporary heroin before the real heroin shows up.
Baba: You yourself decide who the heroine is.
lol that sure pissed the fans of even more by saying that.
They pulled an MGS2 style bait and switch. People were super fucking bitter when it turned out Snake wasn't the main protagonist of MGS2, and I don't see how this is any different. It doesn't matter that she's a female character or any of that "waifu" bullshit. She was promoted as the main protagonist and then it turned out she's not even in half the game and now Namco wants people to pay more money to play as her again. How is that not bullshit?
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
She's actually got a pretty good design and I don't really like Daigo Okumura's work.
And I like Fujishima's work more but Rose's design just comes across as detailed NPC more than anything:
It's a joke on my part. If you remember something like this then you would also know that it was always in relation to her. ;-)
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Well, Vesperia is considered (or thought to be) the best Tales game (and one of the much better JRPGs there too) so comparing all the other Tales game to it will make them look like crap, but Xillia is considered "up there" when it comes to story rankings I guess. Not sure how people will put Zestiria side by side with Vesperia though.
Yeah, XIII-2 pulls off the same shenanigans. Maybe FF fans just aren't as crazy.
This is news to me. I thought Destiny was considered to be the best.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
All I know is that she was playable in the Japanese demo with Cloud and Barret.
I think it was pretty clear before release that Serah was the main character, though.
Yeah I edited haha
SliceSabre
Banned
That Alicia DLC salt.
Wonder how that DLC will play out when they bring it to the west? Maybe free dlc considering how angry Japan was?
Wonder how that DLC will play out when they bring it to the west? Maybe free dlc considering how angry Japan was?
Unless I'm crazy I thought it was always said that Serah was the main character? When the game was initially announced I was never under the impression Lightning was ever the main character.
It's probably because Lightning technically was in a game proper before she was ousted in 13-2, plus she was replaced by a typical genki girl dressed in new ostentatious fanservice outfit, so it's not like the dudes playing are going to complain.
FF fans are crazy about other things.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Oh I agree that Xillia's boring too but Grace is just outright offensive.
From what I read, the whole Alicia's fiasco relates to how she got shafted in the game: She's gone for 80% of the game, suddenly replace by a Mary Sue character that everyone seems to love and get hated on by the rest of the cast. All of her DLC got transfer to the new one and apparently her equipments are still buy-able at shops even though she's not even there to fight the final boss? The whole thing is just sloppy and adding in the Waifu factor make it obvious why this blown up in Namco's face. Hopefully they start paying attention to what goes in a Tales game next time.
AtomskEater
Member
What, catfights? Now I have to read some spoilers to find out why.
I have to agree that her equipment being sold in stores after she leaves is sloppy and kind of weird. Is it like upgrades for her stuff is sold after you'd have any need for it, or just the last items that you could have bought for her while she was in the party? With the former it really does sound even more like they had planned for her to be around longer but just kind of tossed her bit into paid DLC instead.
Well I saw that in the last scan and it looked like Alisha got slapped... and Rose is standing in front of her... So it will happen. Alisha also gets a new outfit! So everything is alright.
Well the difference here is that MGS2 clearly had a thematic message going with that switch and it was brilliant. I'm not sure why they would market Alicia as a main character only for her to be sidelined. Perhaps they originally intended for the DLC to be paid but changed it to free after the backlash?
Mr. Nice_Guy
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I keep seeing the word replaced. Does this mean that she was meant to be with the group and later in development got replaced with another character. Or was this always intended and marketing and fan expectations created false expectations that looked like they were deceived upon launch?
Or do we not even know at this point? All in all this is pretty amusing at the moment.
Bamco plz
SerTapTap
Member
Oh wow, that's all super awful. I've never seen anything quite like it. It'd be like MGS2 having a Solid Snake side mission DLC
Well the trailer showed Alisha in scenes where as in the game she is missing (like a dragon battle) So I guess midway they shafted her and changed some things. :-(
Cornbread78
Member
Clearly everyone is just upset this was't released on PS4, right guys? right....?
Except Rose isn't a Mary Sue character? The bitterness over Alisha poisoned any perceptions of Rose before players even properly learned about the character. The tumblr post you're sourcing from was revealed to have mistranslations and lack of understanding of the game mechanics, as well as a hefty dose of bias causing links between random things for blaming (such as the claim that the Kamui system reduced an 8-man party to a 6-man party).
phoenix296
Member
People everywhere were mad when they found out you played as Raiden.
They should have got mad at Square Enix for FFXIII-2 too then.
There are some people pissed that it isn't on PS4 and others pissed that they will no doubt released a full price enhanced port for PS4 next year.
AtomskEater
Member
Marketing originally had her front and center as the heroine. I think Baba said that was a mistake that the marketing department did on their own without really asking about how to present the character, but who knows.
The more I read about it, the more it seems like she got cut for whatever reason (although I will not that Alicia apparently has no way to access Kamui mode, which is very important and would limit what they could do with her in the game anyway).
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