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[abracadaver]

Why dont we see proper bullet casings/shotgun shells in games?
They dont drop on the ground anymore. They dont make any sounds. They just dissappear.

10 years ago most games had it.
Half-Life 1 & 2
Counter-Strike
Unreal Tournament (in UT2003/UT2004 it was removed)

Best one I know:
Red Orchestra. It even had different sounds depending on if the shell landed on wood/steel/stone.

Why dont we see this in games anymore ?? I love the sound effect. It makes the shooting much more satisfying. Are there any current gen games with bouncing bullet casings ??

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

BF3 has some pretty nice bullet cases flying everywhere

 

[RoboPlato]

Killzone 2&3 have it. They even have different types of sound effects for the casings hitting different surfaces. Max Payne 3 looks like it's going to have some great case ejecting stuff too.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Stand below a little bird in BF3. It's awesome.

Tip: Bring an umbrella

 

[BruiserBear]

I'm pretty sure most of the best current shooters have this in there.

I'm pretty sure the Modern Warfare games have it.

 

[dc89]

MGS4 has a good example of this. I like how when you reload with a round still in the chamber he manually ejects that round. Then when you get your scope out and zoom in, you actually see a live round.

I love attention to detail like that.

 

[shinobi602]

Pretty sure most shooters have this nowadays....

 

[Kazzy]

MGS4 has a good example of this. I like how when you reload with a round still in the chamber he manually ejects that round. Then when you get your scope out and zoom in, you actually see a live round.

I love attention to detail like that.

Well to be fair they have to keep those details in, especially after spending entire cut-scenes accurately describing the production history of a particular gun.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

MGS4 has a good example of this. I like how when you reload with a round still in the chamber he manually ejects that round. Then when you get your scope out and zoom in, you actually see a live round.

I love attention to detail like that.

Alternatively, you could not manually eject it for no reason, and end up with the +1.

 

[Metalmurphy]

MGS4 has a good example of this. I like how when you reload with a round still in the chamber he manually ejects that round. Then when you get your scope out and zoom in, you actually see a live round.

I love attention to detail like that.

Best part of MGS4 is actually its detail with weapons and its mods.

 

[Dick Justice]

I'm pretty sure Max Payne 3 will have this as well.

 

[dc89]

Well to be fair they have to keep those details in, especially after spending entire cut-scenes accurately describing the production history of a particular gun.

I guess so.

Alternatively, you could not manually eject it for no reason, and end up with the +1.

Yeah but it does look cool!

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Maybe you just stopped noticing OP.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Max Payne 3 sounds like the game for you

 

[BattleMonkey]

Best part of MGS4 is actually its detail with weapons and its mods.

Detail in how they look perhaps, but the handling of the weapons in MGS4 is so way off. The whole series has been bad at properly representing weapons capabilities in game.

 

[AndyMoogle]

They drop to the ground in Gears of War. Iirc, it's both shell casings and the clips that fall to the ground. They don't make a sound though.

 

[rvy]

op has been playing the wrong games or not paying enough attention.

 

[abracadaver]

Sorry Im not talking about the shells ejecting from the gun. Every game has this.

Im talking about the shells hitting the ground and making a sound. Bouncing around etc.
Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare do not have this. The shells just dissappear. They make no sound at all.


Edit: in gears of war the shells dissapear as well. You can see them falling into the ground when you aim at the floor. The empty magazines do fall on the ground(without a sound though)
The sniper makes the sound of a shell hitting the groung after shooting but thats just part of the sound effect. There is no actual shell.

 

[eshwaaz]

When shell casings make no sound when hitting the ground it drives me crazy. It's such a notable part of the aural experience of firing a real weapon. Plus, it really kills the sense of physicality.

 

[MomoPufflet]

Max Payne 3 sounds like the game for you

dat chambering

 

[Fallout-NL]

dat chambering

Pornographic is what it is.

 

[Accoun]

I'm sure someone actually blogged about it. Like how in old days they stayed on the ground for a while, and today they just disappear etc. because of how they do it (IIRC as a standalone objects today instead of particles)...

[EDIT]
Found it!
http://www.codercorner.com/blog/?p=3

 

[AndyMoogle]

Sorry Im not talking about the shells ejecting from the gun. Every game has this.

Im talking about the shells hitting the ground and making a sound. Bouncing around etc.
Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare do not have this. The shells just dissappear. They make no sound at all.


Edit: in gears of war the shells dissapear as well. You can see them falling into the ground when you aim at the floor. The empty magazines do fall on the ground(without a sound though)
The sniper makes the sound of a shell hitting the groung after shooting but thats just part of the sound effect. There is no actual shell.

I'm pretty sure that BF3 has a sound effect for the casings. They may not actually bounce around, but is that really such a big deal? I'd say that the sound fx is more important, because you're not going to look around for bullet casings unless you want to get killed.

 

[Haunted]

Not enough Ram to have shell casings lying around on the floor as actual objects, taking up computing power.

 

[Sethos]

Purely hardware limitation, one of the many areas where developers decided to cut.

 

[abracadaver]

I'm sure someone actually blogged about it. Like how in old days they stayed on the ground for a while, and today they just disappear etc. because of how they do it (IIRC as a standalone objects today instead of particles)...

[EDIT]
Found it!
http://www.codercorner.com/blog/?p=3

Thanks. Thats exactly what Im talking about. I hate how this gets ignored in modern games.

 

[Naked Snake]

I care about this.

 

[Accoun]

Not enough Ram to have shell casings lying around on the floor, taking up computing power.

Epecially since in many older games they actually didn't disappear at once...

 

[enzo_gt]

Devs finally realized that it's a novelty that really doesn't mean as much to consumers at large as they thought it did. And they were right.

 

[Krauser Kat]

Seeing the aftermath of a great cs battle. With all the bullet holes still in the walls and all the spent casing still there. so good.

 

[Bornstellar]

Halo does this. Shells persist for some time and roll around, and have unique noises.

 

[Neuromancer]

Anyone ever notice that in Far Cry 2, all the guns have their ejection ports on the left side instead of the right? Very strange.

 

[iSurvivedTheOutage]

I like this thread.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Anyone ever notice that in Far Cry 2, all the guns have their ejection ports on the left side instead of the right? Very strange.

I've been told before that this is done in games that do this because it's more visually interesting in first person

 

[StoppedInTracks]

Man, Max Payne 3 brings back everything that was good about TPS games.

 

[NIN90]

Anyone ever notice that in Far Cry 2, all the guns have their ejection ports on the left side instead of the right? Very strange.

This is why CS had the gun model on the left side of the screen.

 

[Neuromancer]

I've been told before that this is done in games that do this because it's more visually interesting in first person

This is why CS had the gun model on the left side of the screen.

Hmm kind of makes sense from an artistic point of view, but it's so dumb.

Back on topic, I think the Crysis games do the casings and sound effects too.

 

[thetrin]

BF3 has some pretty nice bullet cases flying everywhere

Yep, I was about to say this. BF3 does such a great job of the details.

 

[TouchMyBox]

We need that polygon power to render more dust and smoke, bro.

 

[Leucrota]

Halo: Combat Evolved has casings that would roll down hills a bit.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

This is why CS had the gun model on the left side of the screen.

Early versions of CS had the player character using correctly modeled weapons left-handed. Later on, they added the option to switch to right-handed mode, but to achieve this, they simply mirrored the first person view. So now, all the weapons are back-to-front. CS:S retains the option to switch back to left-handed mode with correctly modeled weapons.

The Far Cry 2 devs thought CS models with the ports on the left looked better, so they did that as a deliberate design choice.

 

[abracadaver]

The old resident evil games had this. Was way cool shooting the pistol in resident evil 1 and seeing and hearing the bullet casing bounce around. I think resident evil 4 still has it. resident evil 5 didnt I believe. Cant check though because I dont have the game anymore.

Max payne 1 & 2 had this as well. I fear the shells in max payne 3 will just dissappear. I hope not

 

[AlexBasch]

I just started to play Half Life yesterday (this might cost me my GAF membership, I'm aware) and yes, I was crouched and shooting the assault rifle and noticing that the bullet cases were falling next to me. Good detail I thought. Then I remembered the game is from 1998. Huh.

 

[giancarlo123x]

Spoiler

Just wanted an excuse to post this beauty.

The old resident evil games had this. Was way cool shooting the pistol in resident evil 1 and seeing and hearing the bullet casing bounce around. I think resident evil 4 still has it. resident evil 5 didnt I believe. Cant check though because I dont have the game anymore.

Thank you for helping me remember which game I was trying to remember, the sound of the casings hitting the floor in RE3 is forever burned into my mind. I love it.

 

[Neuromancer]

We need that polygon power to render more dust and smoke, bro.

And bloom, and strawberry jam on the screen.

 

[Neuromancer]

I just started to play Half Life yesterday (this might cost me my GAF membership, I'm aware) and yes, I was crouched and shooting the assault rifle and noticing that the bullet cases were falling next to me. Good detail I thought. Then I remembered the game is from 1998. Huh.

Good for you, you are playing my favorite Valve game to date. Hope you're enjoying it.

 

[feel]

Halo: Combat Evolved has casings that would roll down hills a bit.

Yesterday while helping a friend get some achievements on Anniversary edition I stopped next to a wall and unloaded the full clip of the assault rifle just to see the casings bounce against the wall and then hit and roll on the floor in the opposite direction. So damn good.

 

[Pachterballs]

Max Payne 3 sounds like the game for you

that looks amazing. probably cinematic; as you don't play from that POV.

 

[LiK]

they never left.

 

[Dr Zhivago]

Early versions of CS had the player character using correctly modeled weapons left-handed. Later on, they added the option to switch to right-handed mode, but to achieve this, they simply mirrored the first person view. So now, all the weapons are back-to-front. CS:S retains the option to switch back to left-handed mode with correctly modeled weapons.

The Far Cry 2 devs thought CS models with the ports on the left looked better, so they did that as a deliberate design choice.

This is what we did for TWINE & Nightfire.
Additionally, I did originally write the Nightfire bullet casings so they'd collide with the world, but it took too much CPU time. I expect a lot of other games do the same (Half-Life era games had much simpler collision geometry than current games).