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I love threads where we know more than companies like Apple, like they haven't employed a group of reasonably intelligent people to do some research on whether or not they should keep making iPods. This can't be a new idea to them.
 
Yep. iPods don't have the hardware in them to do Go. Whoever brought tethering should have their head examined. Your going to tether your smartphone that can already play the game to another device?

Yeah, I'm honestly scratching my head trying to figure out why the ability to tether to a device that can already play Pokemon Go is an attractive proposition. I honestly don't get it.
 
Because it would cost next to nothing to develop, and people would buy it in droves, if only for single use applications. (Music, camera, gaming, GPS, etc)

Think about it this way. You could buy a Go Pro for $400 that's just a camera. Or you could buy an iPod Touch that is a camera + music + gaming device + etc + etc.

they're just letting other companies eat their marketshare.
None of this really addresses my point that Apple is already releasing cheaper iPhones. If you're saying that an iPod is somehow a good alternative to a GoPro because it has more features, then what's to stop people from getting an iPhone instead of an iPod because iPhones have more features?
 
Everyone has a smartphone already. People already drop $200+ On hardware to play new Nintendo games. I know I would buy a new iPod to play two different GO accounts at once, and I know a shitload of people with older phones that can hardly even handle the game, but can handle tethering.

I'm not shitting on anyone, I'm pointing out the obvious fact that Apple is leaving money on the table because they can't be bothered to shit out a new iPod every once in a while, even though it would take next to zero effort for them. They're lost.

Just because you'd drop 200 dollars just to play Pokémon Go doesn't mean a lot of people would do that
 
I loved my Ipod, but having two devices (particularly when one made the other redundant) got all really fast. Sure, there's a nostalgia about having a dedicated music player that contains your very own, personal music collection, but you just realize how ridiculous it is when your devices rattle along in your packet all day.
 
A GoPro and an IPod have absolutely nothing in common other than the fact that they both have cameras. WTF are you on about OP? You think they should've released an iPod with the guts of an iPhone......so basically just another iPhone?
 
The current iPod touch is an iPhone 5 without a phone. So why couldn't they make a new iPod touch that is an SE without a phone? Apple, the most valuable company on the planet, could easily make this happen, and make a shitload of profit if marketed correctly.

The current one is more comparable to an iPhone 6 but with a 4" screen. It has an A8 SoC in it.
 
None of this really addresses my point that Apple is already releasing cheaper iPhones. If you're saying that an iPod is somehow a good alternative to a GoPro because it has more features, then what's to stop people from getting an iPhone instead of an iPod because iPhones have more features?
Smashing a $200 iPod isn't nearly as bad as smashing a $700 iPhone.
 
The current iPod touch is an iPhone 5 without a phone. So why couldn't they make a new iPod touch that is an SE without a phone? Apple, the most valuable company on the planet, could easily make this happen, and make a shitload of profit if marketed correctly.
The current iPod touch has an A8 chip which is the equivalent to an iPhone 6.

So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
 
Just because you'd drop 200 dollars just to play Pokémon Go doesn't mean a lot of people would do that
Not just for Go, I would use it as a camera primarily, as well as to store my huge music collection without clogging up my iPhone hard drive.

And tons of people buy new hardware to play Nintendo games. This ain't new.
 
Yeah, I'm honestly scratching my head trying to figure out why the ability to tether to a device that can already play Pokemon Go is an attractive proposition. I honestly don't get it.

Also, you can already tether your iPod Touch to your iPhone to get data through Wireless Hotspot...what's different in OP's proposition, tethered GPS access?

OP, I understand your point about Apple abandoning the iPod, I really do. But if you're trying to convince us that tethering the device to an iPhone is the main usage scenario for which a market still exists for it, it's just not gonna happen. You're probably the one person in a million that finds this idea attractive.
 
Yeah, I'm honestly scratching my head trying to figure out why the ability to tether to a device that can already play Pokemon Go is an attractive proposition. I honestly don't get it.

In theory I guess the parent would have the phone, and they would give the cheap iPod to their kid. I imagine the Pokemon Go app would have to be overhauled to support GPS data through tethering though.
 
The current iPod touch is an iPhone 5 without a phone. So why couldn't they make a new iPod touch that is an SE without a phone? Apple, the most valuable company on the planet, could easily make this happen, and make a shitload of profit if marketed correctly.

Apple doesn't want you to keep your old phone and buy a new iPod for $200, they want you to buy a new iPhone for $700.
 
Smashing a $200 iPod isn't nearly as bad as smashing a $700 iPhone.
People should get iPods because breaking it hurts their wallet less than breaking an iPhone?
The cheaper iPhone models aren't $700

And tons of people buy new hardware to play Nintendo gamesThis ain't new.
So Nintendo has Pokemon GO and... Miitomo. Miitomo is clearly the system seller Nintendo has always needed
 
The current one is more comparable to an iPhone 6 but with a 4" screen. It has an A8 SoC in it.
With the same old cruddy design with the huge pointless bezels. They need to have a good design or they'll just continue to believe it's a non-seller. It needs to wow people. They need to bring back the silhouette dancers and market this shit right. It's not rocket science.
 
Smashing a $200 iPod isn't nearly as bad as smashing a $700 iPhone.

People who are worried about smashing their expensive consumer electronics device will just buy one of the numerous protective cases that exists just for this problem. I really, really don't understand the premise of this thread. I'm not saying that the number of people who would be interested is zero as EVERYONE would just buy a smartphone, but the market for a gaming-centric touch device that doesn't have wireless data support doesn't strike me as something that is obviously noteworthy.
 
I keep using my ipod. There's no way I'm going to waste my phones battery playing music. Let alone the hundreds and thousands of songs in my library that take up over 80GB of my ipods storage that I probably would run out of space on my phone very quickly.
 
The only iPod I still have is my first one from way back in 2003, one of the ones with the buttons above the click wheel rather than on it. It has a certain amount of sentimental value to me. And it still works!

Have no need for an iPod now though, the phone covers it's job rather well.
 
Yeah, if you ignore the OP and all of my posts.

Your posts have just been "They should make this, it would make a lot of money" when in reality if Apple thought they could turn a profit on something I'm sure they would be willing to sell it.

Like I have a 160gb Classic and I love the thing, but that's just me with a years worth of podcasts on it. Not everyone needs or wants that. Streaming is the new hotness.
 
In theory I guess the parent would have the phone, and they would give the cheap iPod to their kid. I imagine the Pokemon Go app would have to be overhauled to support GPS data through tethering though.
It already supports GPS through tethering. I do it with my iPad mini 4. It works perfectly. (Except I can't hold my iPad and iPhone at the same time)

Also, you can already tether your iPod Touch to your iPhone to get data through Wireless Hotspot...what's different in OP's proposition, tethered GPS access?

OP, I understand your point about Apple abandoning the iPod, I really do. But if you're trying to convince us that tethering the device to an iPhone is the main usage scenario for which a market still exists for it, it's just not gonna happen. You're probably the one person in a million that finds this idea attractive.
Not just tethering. Could compete with Go Pro as a camera. Compete with 3DS as a gameboy. Compete with cheap android tablets as an alternative. There's money on the table here and Apple is clueless.
 
Think about it this way. You could buy a Go Pro for $400 that's just a camera. Or you could buy an iPod Touch that is a camera + music + gaming device + etc + etc.

I don't think you understand the tech you're talking about, especially photography-wise.
 
Not just tethering. Could compete with Go Pro as a camera. Compete with 3DS as a gameboy. Compete with cheap android tablets as an alternative. There's money on the table here and Apple is clueless.

Doesn't the iPod already have a camera, and games?

Like the thing you're describing is a fucking iPod touch.
 
It already supports GPS through tethering. I do it with my iPad mini 4. It works perfectly. (Except I can't hold my iPad and iPhone at the same time)


Not just tethering. Could compete with Go Pro as a camera. Compete with 3DS as a gameboy. Compete with cheap android tablets as an alternative. There's money on the table here and Apple is clueless.

An iPod Touch can't compete with a GoPro
Two completely different beasts
 
The cheap option already exist with the 2nd hand market for iPhone 5's.
Pokémon Go runs like absolute garbo on an iPhone 5. Also, Apple gets none of that money.

I don't think you understand the tech you're talking about, especially photography-wise

And you think the average consumer does? Given the choice between a $400 gopro that is just a camera, or a $200 iOS device marketed as a great camera, they'll choose the iPod.
 
With the same old cruddy design with the huge pointless bezels. They need to have a good design or they'll just continue to believe it's a non-seller. It needs to wow people. They need to bring back the silhouette dancers and market this shit right. It's not rocket science.

No, the iPod Touch was a great transitional tool between the MP3 player period and the smartphone period. I've owned the 2G, 4G, and 5G versions of the iPod Touch myself. They were neat products. But by 2016 just about anyone even remotely interested in a smartphone has owned several by now, including kids. It just has too much overlap with existing phones to really be a distinct product anymore, and a design refresh won't do much to change that. Besides, you can get a low-end iPad for almost the price of an iPod Touch nowadays, and I suspect most consumers choose that.

As for the proposal to bring back the mid-00s iPod marketing, that just doesn't seem like Apple. They give occasional subtle nods to their past products, but they're not like Nintendo, they don't do whole product releases based around it.
 
Apple isn't losing anything because a few people don't have an iPod with cellular capabilities. They did update the iPod Touch to have 5S or 6 internals, though it still looks the same. They gave up on the brand because the iPhone accounts for 70%+ revenue and the iPod doesn't account for anything anymore. Just because in your mind it sounds like a great idea, doesn't mean that Apple has lost its shit and doesn't know what to do without Jobs. That is just ignorant. The market keeps changing, they want to stay on top of it to maximize profits. Pokemon Go is designed for smartphones.
 
I thought the point of a Go Pro is that it's tough, waterproof, and extremely durable. An iPod will shatter if dropped onto a tile floor from an elevation of 3 feet.
 
I thought the point of a Go Pro is that it's tough, waterproof, and extremely durable. An iPod will shatter if dropped onto a tile floor from an elevation of 3 feet.

Well you just got to market well, come on man they are leaving money on the table!
 
And you think the average consumer does? Given the choice between a $400 gopro that is just a camera, or a $200 iOS device marketed as a great camera, they'll choose the iPod.

Promise me you're going to make an effort to understand, please.
Now, read.
What's wrong with the following statement:
"of course consumers will buy a car for 2000$ instead of a car that costs 40k$"?

Do you get it?

A camera is not just a camera.
 
People should get iPods because breaking it hurts their wallet less than breaking an iPhone?
The cheaper iPhone models aren't $700


So Nintendo has Pokemon GO and... Miitomo. Miitomo is clearly the system seller Nintendo has always needed
You act as if there aren't millions of iOS games. If they made a controller peripheral it would also make for an excellent tv controller and remote.
 
Apple still releases iPod Touch devices, but they usually release them around the time new number phones come out vs every phone iteration (which makes sense as they aren't high in demand products and it would be a lot of effort on their part to release a Touch update for every iPhone release). For example, the current iPod Touch is based on the original iPhone 6 chipset. Once the iPhone 7 is released, it's likely that there will be a new iPod Touch based on this device.

That said, Pokemon Go, a game that requires a GPS and constant data sharing to know where the user is located, is not a good reason for Apple to release a new iPod Touch.
 
You know, I take my dog running each morning before work. I use my iPhone 6 to stream NPR on the run.

My arms arent small, but I do miss my slim iPod on my arm instead of the much larger iPhone 6.

But I wouldn't even consider buying an iPod just for exercise. The device is utterly redundant at this point.
 
The real question that you need to be asking yourself is, "Does Tim Cook read GAF?" I imagine heads will roll when he realizes how much money he's left on the table all these years.
 
The average consumer will use the camera on their phone.
And drop their phone and smash it instead of smashing a cheaper easier to replace product.
I thought the point of a Go Pro is that it's tough, waterproof, and extremely durable. An iPod will shatter if dropped onto a tile floor from an elevation of 3 feet.
So make the iPod more durable.
Promise me you're going to make an effort to understand, please.
Now, read.
What's wrong with the following statement:
"of course consumers will buy a car for 2000$ instead of a car that costs 40k$"?

Do you get it?

A camera is not just a camera.
So make the camera better.


This is exactly why Jobs was the best. He pushed what was possible. Modern Apple is too comfortable. What happened to "Stay Hungry, Stay foolish"
 
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