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What if... Capcom released a 3D SF game with this unique graphical style?!
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rollingstart
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this thread is so old, why the bump?
this thread is so old, why the bump?
Zaptruder said:
yeah I disagree about this, being an artist and all that. While 3D is nice and I definitely appreciate the gameplay mechanics and visuals of a nice 3D game, when it comes to SF I definitely want to see 2D. For one reason because of the gameplay and I don't want things like side stepping, or slower game play, and for another reason that while a 3D model might be up to par in terms of quality with that of a 2D drawing, the 3D models never have the style, charm, or animation effects of hand drawn sprites. Never will. Why? Because it's a drawing, drawn by hand, from artists whom have styles, personalities, and flaws and that's always been more interesting to me than bland 3D graphics.
The Take Out Bandit
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At first I was going to apologize to linking to this thread in a more recent thread in a "I told you so" fashion.
However the more this junior types, the less I feel like apologizing for it. >:|
However the more this junior types, the less I feel like apologizing for it. >:|
yeah the posts are ancient, but I'm responding anyway!
TToB is [was] absolutely right. It is just a visual style. A visual style that, typically, introduces things that break the "feel" of a 2D fighting game.
The problem is that no developer has tried to strip these things away. There's no reason a developer couldn't make a 2D game with an orthographic perspective, mirrored left and right sides, and absolutely no interpolation between keyframes. Sadly, it isn't a question of "could."
TToB is [was] absolutely right. It is just a visual style. A visual style that, typically, introduces things that break the "feel" of a 2D fighting game.
The problem is that no developer has tried to strip these things away. There's no reason a developer couldn't make a 2D game with an orthographic perspective, mirrored left and right sides, and absolutely no interpolation between keyframes. Sadly, it isn't a question of "could."
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The Take Out Bandit said:
LOL!
SapientWolf
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The visuals in the Street Fighter 4 trailer are really close to the art in the OP. I don't think there is any reason to go back to 2D now.
jaundicejuice
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Matix said:CAPCOM FIGHTING ALL-STARS (ARC/PS2):
Sucky as this shit would of probably turned out to be, I was kinda looking forward to the title.
PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN A FUCK LOAD BETTER THAN CAPCOM FIGHTING EVOLUTION!
jaundicejuice
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Yeah, well, we will never know. How awesome could those eBattles about the craptitude have been?
Anyways, whatever Capcom has in store--be it 2D, 2.5D or full on 3D--I think I'm ready for it. I mean we're already getting a "new", online, 2D Street Fighter so bring on some crazy shit.
Anyways, whatever Capcom has in store--be it 2D, 2.5D or full on 3D--I think I'm ready for it. I mean we're already getting a "new", online, 2D Street Fighter so bring on some crazy shit.
The Take Out Bandit
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SapientWolf said:
No way dude.
Get your eyes checked.
The character art in the SF4 trailer is terrible. Strip away all the fancy ink blots and all that shit, and it's hideous. Capcom needs to call in a crack team of art ninjas to fix that shit double fast!
GeneralIroh
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lolThe Take Out Bandit said:
Coming from a guy who likes thundercats.
The Take Out Bandit
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Yeah, I enjoy Thundercats.
Is it my most favorite thing ever?
No.
Did it age comparatively well when stacked against the other commercial adverstisements I wasted my youth with? Yes.
And ignoring your tangential bullshit - you cannot tell me with a straight face that the character art in the SF4 trailer compares favorably with any past SF games, barring SF1.
It looks f@cking terrible.
Without Capcom's fantastic art, this game will look more boring and dull than Virtua Fighter's characters. I dread seeing my favorite SF characters rendered with brutish facial features and hideous 90's Image comics style body features. Yech!
Is it my most favorite thing ever?
No.
Did it age comparatively well when stacked against the other commercial adverstisements I wasted my youth with? Yes.
And ignoring your tangential bullshit - you cannot tell me with a straight face that the character art in the SF4 trailer compares favorably with any past SF games, barring SF1.
It looks f@cking terrible.
Without Capcom's fantastic art, this game will look more boring and dull than Virtua Fighter's characters. I dread seeing my favorite SF characters rendered with brutish facial features and hideous 90's Image comics style body features. Yech!
GeneralIroh
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The Take Out Bandit said:
SF4 isnt perfect but its not terrible.
The Take Out Bandit
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GeneralIroh said:
SF4 isnt perfect but its not terrible.
You might have a point with art from 1992 if this were still 1992. However we've seen companies provide highly stylized video game visuals that come closer to concept art than we've seen before! In 1992 those character portraits were the hotness.
Street Fighter 4 is working from bad art at the base level. If they had some talent behind it, I'm certain it could be gorgeous; unfortunately what I saw was plenty atrocious. Ryu and Ken are barely recognizable, considering the concept art and in game sprites have come closer and closer since 1992.
Capcom settled on a look for Ryu and Ken a few years back. SF4 throws the baby out with the bath water.
I hope SF4 is nothing like that promo video, or that it is and it's total broken shit. Heaven or Hell, let's rock!
The Take Out Bandit said:You might have a point with art from 1992 if this were still 1992. However we've seen companies provide highly stylized video game visuals that come closer to concept art than we've seen before! In 1992 those character portraits were the hotness.
Street Fighter 4 is working from bad art at the base level. If they had some talent behind it, I'm certain it could be gorgeous; unfortunately what I saw was plenty atrocious. Ryu and Ken are barely recognizable, considering the concept art and in game sprites have come closer and closer since 1992.
Capcom settled on a look for Ryu and Ken a few years back. SF4 throws the baby out with the bath water.
I hope SF4 is nothing like that promo video, or that it is and it's total broken shit. Heaven or Hell, let's rock!
I feel dirty for agreeing with you.
Moor-Angol
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a cel-shaded SF would be really nice, make it Capcom !!!
on Wii !!!!!!!!!
Guybrush Threepwood
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What about 2D sprites fighting in 3D environments?
It would still (technically) be a 2D fighting game, but it would be unique from other Street Fighter games.
And then Capcom could mix it up and include 2D environments as well.
It would still (technically) be a 2D fighting game, but it would be unique from other Street Fighter games.
And then Capcom could mix it up and include 2D environments as well.
SouthernDragon
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Old thread is old. Still relevant?
Anyways, is the art for the new SF really that bad? Where can I see it? My internet connection sucks, and I've been able to view exactly zero videos for a week now. : ( Frakkin' China.
Anyways, is the art for the new SF really that bad? Where can I see it? My internet connection sucks, and I've been able to view exactly zero videos for a week now. : ( Frakkin' China.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Make it a cell shaded 2D game. (graphics like eternal sonata)
Angelcurio
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Those character portraits look really good, specially the Chun-Li one.Tenbatsu said:Classic! But the best character potrait art are from SSF2 IMO. Even the new HD remix can't come close.
I'd like to mention a game that wasn't around when TToB began this year-old argument: Battle Fantasia. Whether it is proof that 3D can have the precision of a 2D fighter, I cannot say as I've never played it or seen it in real life (only internet videos). However it certainly has the charm and style of a 2D fighter. I've been following it since the end of '06 when I first read about it, but unfortunately don't live in a place where play testing is possible.
In a nutshell it's a high-res 2D fighter with 3D character models. It runs on the same arcade board (Taito X2) as SF4 was rumored to run on in one of those huge SF4 threads.
Screens:
courtesy: http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2007/01/battle-fantasia-screenshots.html
Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwjJa9l1cSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrwZJiE189k&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EdsBhVSRts&mode=related&search=
From the poor quality vids it looks like it handles like a 2D fighter, but one of the fighting game j-gaffers (Lyte Edge or TreIII, I think) have said otherwise, and they've probably actually played the game.
In a nutshell it's a high-res 2D fighter with 3D character models. It runs on the same arcade board (Taito X2) as SF4 was rumored to run on in one of those huge SF4 threads.
Screens:
courtesy: http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2007/01/battle-fantasia-screenshots.html
Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwjJa9l1cSo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrwZJiE189k&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EdsBhVSRts&mode=related&search=
From the poor quality vids it looks like it handles like a 2D fighter, but one of the fighting game j-gaffers (Lyte Edge or TreIII, I think) have said otherwise, and they've probably actually played the game.
orioto said:
Well, VJ was great and it did a great job of replicating a 2D beat em up, and Ultimate Ghouls and Ghosts did a great job of replicating GnG in 3D, but the hit detection of both games isn't at all like the hit detection in SF2 or SF3.
Hell, even New Super Mario Bros didn't feel like Super Mario 3 or Super Mario World as far as hit detection goes.
So while it may be theoretically possible to perfectly duplicate the speed, precision, and feel of 2D SF with 3D graphics, I don't think it's been executed yet.
rollingstart
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wow, Battle Fantasia looks awesome
Zoramon089
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I don't think you understand, the gameplay mechanics SUCK in their 3d fighters (well at least in SF). It has nothing (well very little) to do with the actual graphical style, which can easily be remedied.
The best looking cell shaded game around didn't need 'em, and the lack of them made it all the more enjoyable.
In fact, if you actually stop and look at gutter trash's avatar, you'll note the distinct lack of an obnoxious black outline.
Unless the style calls for it, Okami's Sumi-e brush style; black outlines are a cop-out assertion that "it's like a cartoon!"
Jet Shit Radio for example just looked like an ugly PSone game WITH FAT BLACK OUTLINES, ZOMG!
I'm hoping developers explore more experimental graphical stylings as time marches on. And in this case, it could be the first step to reinvigorating Capcom's old money maker.
Fail.
Wind Waker's style was named Toon Shading.
beelzebozo
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if it looks like that trailer, i'm buying it, and i haven't been interested in street fighter since i was ten
The trailer looksgreat but in reality we will never see a game looks like it. The trailer looks interesting not just because of the new art style but the perspective as well. And that perspective doesnt really suitable for multiplayers game, especially when you need to know what your opponent is doing. I'd love to see they nail the new style in as well, but SF mechanic doesnt really support 3D either. All those projectile moves will become nonsense since you should be able to move out of the way in a simple side step.
Anyway, I want to see megaton when it come out so, make it happen Capcom.
Anyway, I want to see megaton when it come out so, make it happen Capcom.
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