How does it stay on?
Can you put just the top half on? Wondering if you'd be able to use it with the Circle Pad Pro XL.
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What if Nintendo remade Kid Icarus Uprising for WiiU?
- Thread starter Neiteio
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How does it stay on?
Can you put just the top half on? Wondering if you'd be able to use it with the Circle Pad Pro XL.
What if I was rich!
You raise interesting points about the viability of wiimote/nunchuk controls. I really like the formula in Metroid Blast, but one change would have to be made -- the ability to turn quicker, MUCH quicker. But I think it could be done. It's true you'd trade off some of the tactile quality of the stylus controls -- whipping around the camera and pinning down targets with the reticule felt like frantically jabbing a sword, the stylus providing KMB-like levels of twitch-action. But I think wiimote/nunchuk could still work well, with tweaking to the scheme in Metroid Blast.
DidntKnowJack
Member
I would eat the world.
So would I! But there's probably a slightly better chance of a KIU remake, than of the world turning to pudding, so can't hurt to discuss whether it'd be worthwhile!
(But I'd totally eat a Pudding Earth.)
xxbrothawizxx63
Member
With some new textures and some of the models redone I'd rebuy the game at $60....
Oh yea, and 1080p.
Oh yea, and 1080p.
I really like the idea of bringing RER's Raid mode to Kid Icarus. You get all these cool weapons -- and craft even cooler ones -- yet the only place you can show them off to friends is in competitive deathmatch. If there was a Raid mode where you could team up with buddies and slay monsters together while advancing to the end of a level, they could appreciate your skill and loot without having to worry about other players out for blood.
RawkHawk2010
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That'd be more like a Horde mode, but yes, that'd be awesome, too! What I was thinking of, though, was more along the lines of an actual level, more like the ground portion of, say, Chapter 3. Only you'd bring a buddy along in online or local splitscreen co-op, and you'd each be sporting your own gear, and you'd kill baddies and find keys and earn loot as you headed for the boss.
Honestly, all I need is multiplayer at a locked in 60 fps. That and some serious nerfing to weapon upgrades and powers to the game. Max homing on a high homing weapon is the worst thing in the world. Bullets literally dace around you in a tight circle until they hit you or they fizz out.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Special stages to fight Poseidon and Dyntos would be cool. And reinstate Zeus.
Trust me, a true sequel would be probably my No. 1 Most Wanted Anything in Videogames, but Sakurai's tied up with two Smash Bros. games. A remake, on the other hand, could be done by just about anyone, and there's good reason for it -- one of the best games ever, given an audiovisual overhaul, and controls that work for everyone, eliminating the one real barrier people have come up against (although I'm fine with the 3DS controls, personally).
Good. At least to me, and for what I was looking for. Is aluminum, so while it may not be as strong as carbon or even the clear shells; it at least protects from other scratches and stuff. Though, I bought it more as a cosmetic addition; raher than to protect it.
#1. Pressure; you just snap it. It has felt on the inside, so teh added pressure doens't damage/scratch the unit.
#2. Yeah, you can put either cover by separate, no need to put both together.
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Adding to Neiteio's post (to stay on topic
); a nice option would be to be able to play with 3DS owners-online; even if it's a separate mode.Pachterballs
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Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Balloon Trip on NintendoLand proved to me that a Kid Icarus controlled like Uprising on WiiU would work wonderfully with two analogs plus being able to place the Gamerpad on your lap, and the added opition of being able to use WiiMotion+/nunchuck would make everyone happy (dual analog for such a game just isn't an valuable option IMO).
But, Sakurai acted as if a new KI wouldn't be coming for quite awhile. :/
But, Sakurai acted as if a new KI wouldn't be coming for quite awhile. :/
RawkHawk2010
Member
I honestly don't understand "The game would be better with the Wiimote" mentality a lot of you peeps seem to have.
Dude, how? We know Pit's walking would always be controlled with the analog stick so that's covered, but Uprising's method of aiming isn't just one function that can be mapped to a specific source of input. Not only do you need precise control over where you're aiming on the current screen, but you have to be able to start AND stop your aiming direction on a dime at anywhere in a 360 degree radius. All while continuing to move and shoot.
(I can't even get that kind of maneuverability out of a mouse and keyboard.)
Dude, how? We know Pit's walking would always be controlled with the analog stick so that's covered, but Uprising's method of aiming isn't just one function that can be mapped to a specific source of input. Not only do you need precise control over where you're aiming on the current screen, but you have to be able to start AND stop your aiming direction on a dime at anywhere in a 360 degree radius. All while continuing to move and shoot.
(I can't even get that kind of maneuverability out of a mouse and keyboard.)
He did, which is precisely why I'm not expecting a sequel anytime soon.
A remake, on the other hand...
Not true! Just this one, I swear!
Also, Wind Waker HD.
Actually, it -was- originally designed to be played with the Wiimote. In fact, in one of the Iwata Asks on the game, they show prototype footage of the original Wii version. :O
DICKS AHOY
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Why not just make it a full-fledged sequel on the Wii U? It'd work great with the tablet, and you wouldn't even have the whole left-hand issue the original did.
FrostuTheNinja
Member
I'd honestly buy it in a heartbeat. I was one of the few where the control systems never clicked. Tried to picked it up multiple times throughout the year. Sadly, it just wasn't meant to be. Loved the presentation, stages, extras, weapons, etcetera but I always felt like I was wrestling the controls during the on ground segments.
Still a great game though. There's too much polish for me to say otherwise.
Still a great game though. There's too much polish for me to say otherwise.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I think I would too. I really want to play this game with a Wii Remote and Nunchuck setup.
This... may or may not be an issue. One of those things where I wish I could hack the game and try controlling it with the Wiimote. Maybe if you had to hold a button (A on the Wii remote) for the equivalent of the cursor "touching" the screen, and thus you'd still spin and stop the camera like a globe, only now it's more comfortable since the Wiimote/nunchuk combo is lighter, more ergonomically correct and works for lefties, as well.
Alternatively, it could work like a quicker Metroid Blast, though there would still be a millisecond gap where you move against the bounding box. Hmm.
Again, I'd love love LOVE a full-fledged sequel -- but since that's not likely to happen for a while, I'm trying to clamor a bit for something that would be a lot simpler for them to put together. A console version could use the tablet, as you said, to improve the classic controls for many; and the Wiimote/nunchuk could offer a strong alternative for others.
This, on top of the opportunity to overhaul the graphics and add even more content, including an expanded multiplayer.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Why wouldn't you just want a new game instead? I'd rather have a new game then porting a game that hasn't even been out a year.
I like the work you put into your OPs.
I would absolutely prefer a new game. But as I said in the OP, it's not likely to happen any time soon -- Sakurai is working on not one, but two Smash Bros. projects.
Since I'm not sure I trust someone other than Sakurai to pull off a proper sequel, I think it'd be cool -- and more likely, and profitable, in a quick turnaround sense -- to release a definitive edition of KIU on WiiU.
New graphics. New single- and multiplayer modes, including co-op. Local splitscreen, in addition to online. An option for a "second quest" with remixed stages. New weapons, powers, figurines. And most pivotally of all, the ability to play with the GamePad for stylus controls, and the Wiimote/nunchuk for non-stylus controls.
This game is too damn good. It needs to be fully playable for everyone. The WiiU would be one such way.
I do like the suggestion earlier that there could be a multiplayer mode where WiiU players could play with 3DS players, though. I wouldn't want to completely nuke the original's userbase. Instead, you'll have a master version to play at home, and the original to play on the go.
The blueprint's in place. You did so much to reestablish this brand, Nintendo -- now go all-out and perfect the formula!
Thanks.
In parts 8-9 of my 10 part Kid Icarus Uprising review I address a few things the game could repaire game design wise.
Otherwise, I dream of a Wii U remake. Without changing the content of the game, the remake would really benefit from sharper graphics and a better framerate (especially for multiplayer).
I'd also tweak some of the multiplayer modes/online options to make the best parts of the game more clear to more people (which I address in part 10)
Shutup and take my money!
Otherwise, I dream of a Wii U remake. Without changing the content of the game, the remake would really benefit from sharper graphics and a better framerate (especially for multiplayer).
I'd also tweak some of the multiplayer modes/online options to make the best parts of the game more clear to more people (which I address in part 10)
Shutup and take my money!
I don't get the big deal. It doesn't seem like he wrote too much, he just wanted to get his ideas across. He also organized it well.
evilromero
Member
Just make the flying parts control like SF64 and the ground missions control like any decent third-person shooter and you've got a sale.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Ya, but they have to dedicate resources anyhow (although less) and they won't undercut a game that's still that new on the 3DS.I would absolutely prefer a new game. But as I said in the OP, it's not likely to happen any time soon -- Sakurai is working on not one, but two Smash Bros. projects.
Since I'm not sure I trust someone other than Sakurai to pull off a proper sequel, I think it'd be cool -- and more likely, and profitable, in a quick turnaround sense -- to release a definitive edition of KIU on WiiU.
New graphics. New single- and multiplayer modes, including co-op. Local splitscreen, in addition to online. An option for a "second quest" with remixed stages. New weapons, powers, figurines. And most pivotally of all, the ability to play with the GamePad for stylus controls, and the Wiimote/nunchuk for non-stylus controls.
This game is too damn good. It needs to be fully playable for everyone. The WiiU would be one such way.
I do like the suggestion earlier that there could be a multiplayer mode where WiiU players could play with 3DS players, though. I wouldn't want to completely nuke the original's userbase. Instead, you'll have a master version to play at home, and the original to play on the go.
The blueprint's in place. You did so much to reestablish this brand, Nintendo -- now go all-out and perfect the formula!
Thanks.
Vermillion
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No one would eat pudding.
Azure Dream
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Very little reason to not have put a B Team on such a port already, after the initial launch rush went out the door. I'd probably double-dip.
As it's been said, there was a rumor a while back they were doing something just along these lines to pad the early Wii U library. Maybe it'll be an E3 surprise?
As it's been said, there was a rumor a while back they were doing something just along these lines to pad the early Wii U library. Maybe it'll be an E3 surprise?
Valid points, and there's no way to disprove them. Still, I think Nintendo might see the benefits as follows:
- Not enough people played KIU on 3DS, so for many, it's like a whole new adventure on WiiU, a system that needs software.
- With the game systems already designed for the most part, a remake is a lot less design-intensive than a new game from the ground up.
- A portion of the people who played it on 3DS found the controls to be a barrier. A WiiU version would fix this.
- Interest in the WiiU version could actually sell more copies of the 3DS version, if a person becomes interested in the game and only has one system or the other, or if they like one version so much that they also want the console/portable version for the convenience that offers (big screen or playing on the go, respectively).
- They already spent so much on building mindshare for the brand with the parade float, the animes, the card game, etc. Sequels are unlikely since Sakurai is wrapped up in Smash, but a remake could make good on that mindshare and not let it die at one game.
goldenpp72
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How about an original game based on the IP for wii U, seriously people want a remake of a game that's not even a year old? I'd rather the series retain the humor and setting while venturing into a platformer/adventure game on consoles. Uprising is great, but keep that style there.
I think part of the reason for this desire, aside from the simple practicality of a remake compared to an all-new title that Sakurai won't have time for the next couple years, is the WiiU is so perfect for this game.
Controller where the stylus would work even better thanks to larger touchscreen and superior ergonomics? Check. Controller that would work just as well for lefties as right-handed people? Check. Pointer controls for those who can't stand using the stylus? Check. Horsepower to do real justice to the game's scope and provide rock-solid framerate in multiplayer? Check. And it's just an awesome game.
And really, why not both? A definitive edition of Uprising, and then a new title, like you said.
goldenpp72
Member
I don't want this to happen because it's not the direction i want the series to be on consoles. KI isn't a rail shooter, but the offshoot on 3ds is great in its own right. This game should never appear on Wii, the series deserves a focused adventure game for consoles. The 3ds game has some issues, but it's not so dire that it needs a remake already. I'd take this option only if they have no plan to keep this series from oblivion.
Neiteio I completely disagree.
KI:U's control scheme is completely unique to the 3DS. The only way for it to be replicated properly on the WiiU is to use the touch-screen and stylus for aiming, and the bigger screen doesn't make improve anything (playing KI:U on 3DSXL does not really affect the controls)
Also, when have handheld to console ports been a good thing? Nobody wanted the DS crystal chronicles on Wii, I don't think RE: Revelations would be a good investment on PS3/360, and I don't remember GOW(PSP) lighting up the charts of neogaf when it hit PS3. Handhelds to console ports seem like a waste of time.
KI:U is one of the bets games I've ever played and I think it will do respectably on neogaf's GOTY selection (which I like to consider the real GOTY winners). It is unique to the 3DS and is a high mark on the handheld's library. It also sold formidably, and will probably get a good chunk over a million in it's lifetime. It was one of the top 5 3DS sellers of 2012 IIRC.
I'd love a new Kid Icarus on Wii U, but it would have to be reinvented yet again from Uprising's bite-size shooter formula. Hell, I'd love a sequel to Uprising on 3DS. I just don't see the point of wasting resources. It wouldn't highlight the Wii U or it's library, it wouldn't sell well, it would undermine the 3DS exclusivity, and would be a waste of resources.
KI:U's control scheme is completely unique to the 3DS. The only way for it to be replicated properly on the WiiU is to use the touch-screen and stylus for aiming, and the bigger screen doesn't make improve anything (playing KI:U on 3DSXL does not really affect the controls)
Also, when have handheld to console ports been a good thing? Nobody wanted the DS crystal chronicles on Wii, I don't think RE: Revelations would be a good investment on PS3/360, and I don't remember GOW(PSP) lighting up the charts of neogaf when it hit PS3. Handhelds to console ports seem like a waste of time.
KI:U is one of the bets games I've ever played and I think it will do respectably on neogaf's GOTY selection (which I like to consider the real GOTY winners). It is unique to the 3DS and is a high mark on the handheld's library. It also sold formidably, and will probably get a good chunk over a million in it's lifetime. It was one of the top 5 3DS sellers of 2012 IIRC.
I'd love a new Kid Icarus on Wii U, but it would have to be reinvented yet again from Uprising's bite-size shooter formula. Hell, I'd love a sequel to Uprising on 3DS. I just don't see the point of wasting resources. It wouldn't highlight the Wii U or it's library, it wouldn't sell well, it would undermine the 3DS exclusivity, and would be a waste of resources.
A WiiU version might be the only way for some people to play it comfortably, though. I can't say for certain that the GamePad or Wiimote/nunchuk would improve it for those people, but I imagine it would, and that it could work. Again, the 3DS controls are perfect for me and the people I know in real life -- but I've spoken to others here who have difficulty with them, and certainly it was a recurring issue in reviews.
Have you tried Metroid Blast in Nintendo Land, by any chance? Definitely the best application of third-person aiming in any game using the technology (the increased fidelity of MotionPlus). If the footwork were quicker -- the turning in particular -- it could closely approximate the speed and sensitivity needed for KIU's higher difficulty levels.
And of course, for classic stylus controls, the GamePad is superior -- especially if you're left-handed. Again, to point to Nintendo Land (as someone else here did), note how precise it is in Balloon Trip Breeze, no matter you're handedness.
Also, everyone try this: Grab your WiiU GamePad and sit on your couch. Rest the GamePad on your lap, or on your one leg, as I did just now. Relax one hand on an analog stick and trigger. Now pull out the stylus and start swiping on the touchscreen like you would in KIU.
It feels beautiful.
Something as quality as the remake I'm envisioning here would be nice, I think. A top-to-bottom remake of KIU would be hard to resist for many people who liked the first game, and others who don't do portables or who were turned off by tricky controls. And with the structure of the game and its mechanics already figured out, most of the work is control tweaking and building new assets -- still less time- and resource-consuming than a whole new game. The effort-to-profitability ratio would probably be reasonable. Might even sell some people on a WiiU.
But I'd definitely like a proper sequel, of course. I just don't expect one with Sakurai all tied up making Smash IV.
I respect all of your viewpoints. I just would really like to see KIU taken to the next level in a way that only a console with power and controls like the WiiU could.
This is absolutely true, and sadly there'd be no way to make up for it. The 3D effect in KIU is incredible. I play with the 3D at full blast, all the time. It would truly be the greatest sacrifice of a remake.
H2intensity
Member
yes pleasse nintendo...love this game soo much 
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
It would be worth allowing those who don't like the 3DS' control scheme to experience one of the best games of 2012. Besides, it's a great game for a big TV or projector anyway.
The WiiU, you mean. The WiiU. I don't want this game to look like vomit, as all SD Wii games do on an HDTV! :O
A cheap, HD port of a great game with upgraded controls in 2013
or an expensive sequel in 2017 at the earliest
hmmmmm
or both. like all other games devs do nowadays.
IrishNinja
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me too! but id want new content
then i'd eat it
there's quotas for these things man...but you never wanna go full black falcon