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[Sadsic]

it feels very much like missing a piece of humanity that most people dont have. like most people want to talk to others but i am self-sufficient without communication, which is bad

 

[Sadsic]

people who think they have schizoid personality disorder: do you have the ability to feel lonely without friends/family/lovers? if so you dont have it

 

[exYle]

It's ridiculous that people who prefer to be alone is a "disorder". What's the disorder called when you never want to be alone?... never mind, that's a "dependent personality disorder".

Just enjoy who you are and it's all good.

Yeah, there's quite a bit of debate on the labelling of any of the personality disorders in the DSM as "disorders".

When it comes down to it, it really only becomes a problem when your personality gets in the way of functioning as a member of society. For example, if a schizoid cannot hold down a job or does not want to go to school because of their intense dislike of other people, or if a dependent cannot maintain a committed relationship because of excess clinginess.

Even with such criteria, the concept of them being 'disorders' is still kinda nebulous, because who is to judge that because these people cannot still function properly without doing the above? Or how about people who have the same problems, but are otherwise mentally healthy?

 

[spock]

Seems a bit extreme that a person with the described charateristics is classed as someone with a disorder. Yea, it describes a different way of living and perhaps someone considered odd by mainstream standards, but not sure I would say there's something wrong with a person who acts as described.

 

[water_wendi]

Seems a bit extreme that a person with the described charateristics is classed as someone with a disorder. Yea, it describes a different way of living and perhaps someone considered odd by mainstream standards, but not sure I would say there's something wrong with a person who acts as described.

This is my belief.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

it feels very much like missing a piece of humanity that most people dont have. like most people want to talk to others but i am self-sufficient without communication, which is bad

I'm not schizoid but I'm somewhere on the axis, so my input admittedly isn't very valuable, but I just as often feel in social situations that those whom are more normally social seem as absent a 'piece of humanity' and that it's just more normal and less apparent. Maybe these perceptions are attributable to the context (say at like a bar or something) but there I'll often notice a sort of singleness to the intentions of the people I see there, practically everyone but me, of being out and having fun and meeting people that doesn't really seem like the ideal orientation to have, either, like it's a sort of subtle desperation. I'm not really criticizing them as people or anything but it's a perception that I've had on quite a few occasions, though this is kind of off topic and doesn't really have much at all to do with what you said it's more just that I think the more social mindset also has its own problems.

 

[revolverjgw]

people who think they have schizoid personality disorder: do you have the ability to feel lonely without friends/family/lovers? if so you dont have it

For me the answer is no and I've suspected I'm schizoid for a long time. Almost without exception I choose to be alone when possible and it always feels good.

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

Seems a bit extreme that a person with the described charateristics is classed as someone with a disorder.

A personality disorder at that.

 

[Noaloha]

people who think they have schizoid personality disorder: do you have the ability to feel lonely without friends/family/lovers? if so you dont have it

Could that depend on the very concept of what it is to 'feel lonely'? It ain't a quantifiable sensation, surely. I've been without family for eleven years, without friends and any kind of lover for seven years. For the last four, maybe five years that has been entirely through my own choice. Yet I would certainly say that I feel lonely. There's a hu(uuu)ge difference between the *idea* of companionship and the *reality* of actually seeking it out (or even simply accepting it when it's thrust upon me). Yeah I long for it a shitload in the safety of my shell. Equally, yeah I fucking flee away from it if it presents itself.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Seems a bit extreme that a person with the described charateristics is classed as someone with a disorder. Yea, it describes a different way of living and perhaps someone considered odd by mainstream standards, but not sure I would say there's something wrong with a person who acts as described.

That is why it is actually a rare diagnosis. The thing with personality disorders is that many people may present with certain degrees of those 'disorders,' but they are not considered as having a personality disorder. It's quite normal to sort of fall somewhere along the line. People with actual personality disorders such as schizoid, schizoaffective, antisocial, etc. tend to really jump out as something being 'off' when you talk to them. It's hard to explain, but being a loner is not a personality disorder. Think of it as sort of extremes that actually negatively affect peoples lives, and the diagnosis is not easy. It usually takes multiple meetings, getting to know someone very well in order to really diagnose them as such.

 

[Az987]

That is why it is actually a rare diagnosis. The thing with personality disorders is that many people may present with certain degrees of those 'disorders,' but they are not considered as having a personality disorder. It's quite normal to sort of fall somewhere along the line. People with actual personality disorders such as schizoid, schizoaffective, antisocial, etc. tend to really jump out as something being 'off' when you talk to them. It's hard to explain, but being a loner is not a personality disorder. Think of it as sort of extremes that actually negatively affect peoples lives.

Pretty much this. Just reading through all the personaility disorders in this document here I probably have certain charactheristics of every single one with most in borderline and dependent. Do I think I have them all? No. Do I have any of them? I don't know. I don't care either because I'm working on myself already so whats a diagnosis going to solve for me?

 

[Timedog]

Could that depend on the very concept of what it is to 'feel lonely'? It ain't a quantifiable sensation, surely. I've been without family for eleven years, without friends and any kind of lover for seven years. For the last four, maybe five years that has been entirely through my own choice. Yet I would certainly say that I feel lonely. There's a hu(uuu)ge difference between the *idea* of companionship and the *reality* of actually seeking it out (or even simply accepting it when it's thrust upon me). Yeah I long for it a shitload in the safety of my shell. Equally, yeah I fucking flee away from it if it presents itself.

I'm interested in how you feel about life, relationships, yourself, etc. Feel free to elaborate as much as you want to.

 

[Jarate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6_B6zhENrQ

 

[Dead Prince]

Schizoid Personality Disorder
Survival strategy:
Withdraw, intellectualize
Surface structure and boundary functions:
Often present as quiet, reflective, introspective, intellectual people who are good observers.
While avoidants appear anxious, schizoids will more often appear aloof. Their aloofness can be mistaken for disdain
and condescension
Appear quite self-sufficient and self-contained.
More regressed schizoids will show little need for others, choosing solitary activities over contact with others.
Feedback from others seems unimportant and often appear indifferent to feedback.
Often uncomfortable in social situations, often don’t possess good social skills
Defense:
Projection (the world is dangerous)
Intellectualization
Isolation
Feelings:
Generally out of touch with feelings, though can respond to threats with intense anger
Will value being able to deflect/minimize feelings
Underlying feeling is anxiety
When confronted with feelings, often resorts to intellectualization
Selfhood dynamics:
Schizoids see the world as a hostile and dangerous place. Love hurts and you can’t trust people.
Spiritual love is safe love. Often has highly developed spiritual life
Interpersonal self is viewed as damaged and defective
The safe place in self is with self.
With others, the safe place is to be invisible or the expert

sounds like me.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Seems a bit extreme that a person with the described charateristics is classed as someone with a disorder. Yea, it describes a different way of living and perhaps someone considered odd by mainstream standards, but not sure I would say there's something wrong with a person who acts as described.

"Wrong" isn't a right way to put it. I don't stigmatize mental health concerns, and I'm hoping we can get to a point where no one does. So you're right that it shouldn't be called "disorder."

 

[bggrthnjsus]

those are kinda widely different things

 

[Noaloha]

I'm interested in how you feel about life, relationships, yourself, etc. Feel free to elaborate as much as you want to.

Taken even singularly those are quite the capital-ess Subjects, and you're asking after the collected triumvirate version. :]

Forgive me if I don't indulge you. But, pithy summary: I feel life(mine); relationships(mine); myself(mine); they all share the descriptor 'fruitless'. Net selfworth is a sobering fucker of an evaluation.

 

[Bagels]

Seems a bit extreme that a person with the described charateristics is classed as someone with a disorder. Yea, it describes a different way of living and perhaps someone considered odd by mainstream standards, but not sure I would say there's something wrong with a person who acts as described.

As others have said, it becomes a disorder when it dramatically affects your ability to live your life.

Look at shyness - people keep losing their shit when they hear that there's debate about including shyness as a medical disorder. The key here is to ask, "does it interfere with your life? How much?" If it just takes you a little bit longer to feel comfortable around new people, that's not a disorder. But if you're so shy that you cannot leave your house because interacting with other people causes you enormous physical and emotional distress? That seems like a problem, no?

 

[Sadsic]

Could that depend on the very concept of what it is to 'feel lonely'? It ain't a quantifiable sensation, surely. I've been without family for eleven years, without friends and any kind of lover for seven years. For the last four, maybe five years that has been entirely through my own choice. Yet I would certainly say that I feel lonely. There's a hu(uuu)ge difference between the *idea* of companionship and the *reality* of actually seeking it out (or even simply accepting it when it's thrust upon me). Yeah I long for it a shitload in the safety of my shell. Equally, yeah I fucking flee away from it if it presents itself.

for me as a 21st century schizoid man (teehee) i've had the disorder explained many different times by different doctors; what makes it schizoid specifically is if you do not have the drive for connecting with others. you dont seek it out and it does not bother you. it is not a fear of socializing or an inability, it is entirely a lack of need or want of socialization, which is theoretically a response to extreme abuse in early childhood

its a severe disconnect from reality as the part of you that would normally socialize is stuck in your head so you become very invested with imaginative and unrealistic thoughts that can lead to many distortions in reality

one day i forgot i had the ability to stand or speak because of my own thoughts losing grasp on reality. its a very hard thing to describe but it feels like my perception of reality is very erratic

 

[DrFurbs]

I have met schizoids and to be honest they are coldest people I have met. They don't enjoy any interaction with others they don't even enjoy sexual relationships. As some one said it basically introverts gone nuts. That said. They are on the schizophrenia spectrum and studies show they can migrate quickly to frank psychosis. With regards to the OP .. WHY are you at attending a psychiatrist because your not sleeping? I have yet to meet a psychiatrist who doesnt fire meds or diagnosis at people in a whim to get them on meds. I would agree with others, you do not have a PD.

Also there is very little diagnostic reliability between personality disorders. Usually if you meet the criteria for one you also meet the criteria for others because the boundaries are so fuzzy.

 

[Subtle]

I don't want to derail the thread, but I can't make my own thread and am kinda worried. I finished a 4 hour League of Legends and I felt a burning sensation in my right hand. Is this a sign of anything?! First time it's ever happened to me. I'm 15, just for reference.

 

[Sadsic]

I don't want to derail the thread, but I can't make my own thread and am kinda worried. I finished a 4 hour League of Legends and I felt a burning sensation in my right hand. Is this a sign of anything?! First time it's ever happened to me. I'm 15, just for reference.

yes you have angina

 

[DrFurbs]

You have RSI. NOW go away lol

 

[SpartanForce]

for me as a 21st century schizoid man (teehee) i've had the disorder explained many different times by different doctors; what makes it schizoid specifically is if you do not have the drive for connecting with others. you dont seek it out and it does not bother you. it is not a fear of socializing or an inability, it is entirely a lack of need or want of socialization, which is theoretically a response to extreme abuse in early childhood

its a severe disconnect from reality as the part of you that would normally socialize is stuck in your head so you become very invested with imaginative and unrealistic thoughts that can lead to many distortions in reality

one day i forgot i had the ability to stand or speak because of my own thoughts losing grasp on reality. its a very hard thing to describe but it feels like my perception of reality is very erratic

I had sexual abuse on my childhood, which I think that made me this schizoid person that I am. I don't think the doctor is wrong and he is not the first to give me this diagnotic.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

Yeah, there's no way you're schizoid. Most personality disorders are characterized by being comfortable with the qualities that make them different from the norm. If you've ever felt lonely, then it's highly unlikely you have schizoid PD.

Quite true, though I'd argue those with personality disorders revel in the qualities that define their disorder. Schizoid comes with major trust issues that seem to relegate the tendency to completely distance the affected; and that's okay. Remember personality disorders have a negative impact on one's social capacity, but it is not acknowledged this way, and that's why it's a disorder.

 

[Bagels]

I have met schizoids and to be honest they are coldest people I have met. They don't enjoy any interaction with others they don't even enjoy sexual relationships. As some one said it basically introverts gone nuts. That said. They are on the schizophrenia spectrum and studies show they can migrate quickly to frank psychosis. With regards to the OP .. WHY are you at attending a psychiatrist because your not sleeping? I have yet to meet a psychiatrist who doesnt fire meds or diagnosis at people in a whim to get them on meds. I would agree with others, you do not have a PD.

Also there is very little diagnostic reliability between personality disorders. Usually if you meet the criteria for one you also meet the criteria for others because the boundaries are so fuzzy.

The sleep medicine department I'm most familiar with is a collaboration between neurology, psychiatry, and psychology. A psychiatrist is actually a pretty good choice for the treatment of sleep disorders, especially if they are secondary to a mental illness. Also, a psychiatrist does not make any money for putting you on a medication. If you're seeing the psychiatrist, you're billed for that time regardless of what they prescribe.

 

[SpartanForce]

I have met schizoids and to be honest they are coldest people I have met. They don't enjoy any interaction with others they don't even enjoy sexual relationships. As some one said it basically introverts gone nuts. That said. They are on the schizophrenia spectrum and studies show they can migrate quickly to frank psychosis. With regards to the OP .. WHY are you at attending a psychiatrist because your not sleeping? I have yet to meet a psychiatrist who doesnt fire meds or diagnosis at people in a whim to get them on meds. I would agree with others, you do not have a PD.

Also there is very little diagnostic reliability between personality disorders. Usually if you meet the criteria for one you also meet the criteria for others because the boundaries are so fuzzy.

WTF is this. My doctor gives me my meds for free. My sleep is a secondary thing, I have anxiety, depression, ptsd, ocd, and probably schizoid.