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What is the Game that will change Wii U sell direction?

Mango The Magician said:
None, no one game will "save" any system.
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Actually, a FFVII remake, despite being an impossible cliche at this point, would probably do it.

If I was Iwata, I'd be trying to wrest an exclusive RE or MGS for the system, or maybe even the next legit Devil May Cry. If I were Nintendo-averse, I'd buy a new Nintendo console for one of those.

Realistically, it's going to come down to Smash and Mario Kart, and if 3D World is as good as 3D Land was, then it'll certainly be a big help. HD Zelda will literally do the business.

Nintendo's future strategy will probably lie in continuing to harness Japan's dev talent, an industry Sony and MS don't seem too interested in taking advantage of at the moment, and it's an ideal fit, since it's obvious Japan is terrified of committing to next gen budgets. Wii U will allow them to continue doing what they're good at, at a level they're comfortable with.
 
I think Nintendo will relaunch the console when Mario comes out. They'll actually have a major game to sell the system with so I expect they'll base thier marketing around that.
 
vxXJordanXxv said:
Possibly a new Zelda game that doesn't suck balls like Skyward Sword. Hell I'd buy a Wii U if they did a remake of Majora's Mask.
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If there is a re-release of Majora's Mask, it would be on 3DS most likely anyways similar to Ocarina of Time 3D.
 
AOC83 said:
Nintendos console audience is basically 90% die hard Nintendo fans, so no, they have by far the smallest audience potential.
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Nintendo's audience potential is measured by their franchises' appeal, which goes far beyond die hard fans.
 
FF 7 total remake.
Skyrim - Legendary Edition with good use for the pad [won´t ever happen]
Borderlands 2
New Zelda

Would make me go Wii U only.
A remake of a game like Wind Waker does absolutely nothing for me. Actually, playing the original Wind Waker on my Wii right now.
 
Sir_Crocodile said:
And a life can't involve videogames? Whaa?
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Most people like me who were born in the mid eighties have fantastic memories of playing games back in our childhood. Lot of us were big fans that kept playing for lot of time and when we meet up it's always nice to speak about the old times.

But essentially I noticed that when the bar of 20-25 years old was crossed most of the people moved on. Nothing against people who kept playing games, but that's the reality. Simply most of us have too many responsibilities to keep that lifestyle. When you start thinking about marrying, having children, how to take your career to the next level you realize there is no place for gaming anymore. I suppose this is also the reason why most of the audience is "casual" - because life is too hectic and competitive nowadays, especially in big cities.

But again this is not a rule - if there are people here around their '30s and happy with playing games all the time, my best wishes to them.
 
Neff said:
Actually, a FFVII remake, despite being an impossible cliche at this point, would probably do it.

If I was Iwata, I'd be trying to wrest an exclusive RE or MGS for the system, or maybe even the next legit Devil May Cry. If I were Nintendo-averse, I'd buy a new Nintendo console for one of those.

Realistically, it's going to come down to Smash and Mario Kart, and if 3D World is as good as 3D Land was, then it'll certainly be a big help. HD Zelda will literally do the business.

Nintendo's future strategy will probably lie in continuing to harness Japan's dev talent, an industry Sony and MS don't seem too interested in taking advantage of at the moment, and it's an ideal fit, since it's obvious Japan is terrified of committing to next gen budgets. Wii U will allow them to continue doing what they're good at, at a level they're comfortable with.
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Don't get me wrong, I would love a FFVII remake, especially if it were availabe on the Wii U, but:

A. I don't think Square is capable of remaking a good Final Fantast without fucking it up in some way.

and

B. Is Final Fantasy really a system seller?
 
I'll personally, against my better judgement, be buying a WiiU for Monolith Soft's X when it comes out (since Xenogears is the best game of all time and I have been in love with the creators ever since October 20th, 1998), but I doubt the people buying the system for that game will account for any significant amount of sales.

The only single game that could even remotely "turn it around" for the system is one that's never going to happen (because someone is crazy and hates money): A full fledged Pokemon console game that isn't some subpar knock off.

Personally, I'd make it an MMO, but keep all the battle mechanics completely identical, turned based combat and all. Throw in a Harvest Moon style ranch that players can own and incorporate their Pokemon into for raising crops and maintaining the place and you'd print money.
 
None, it lack 3rd party game, beside its wii audience now prefer tablet/smartphone and PS4/X1 are coming in 2 months so it's very hard for Nin to change the situation. But with good support from Nin, it may lives well like GC.
 
I cant see any one game doing it. Exception being, if they splash out some crazy 200-300million and manage to make CoD or GTA exclusive (or at least a timed exclusive) that would do it. But thats pretty much fantasy land.

Mario Kart, Smash bros and a Mario game will push some systems but in the long term they are pretty much screwed.
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
Most people like me who were born in the mid eighties have fantastic memories of playing games back in our childhood. Lot of us were big fans that kept playing for lot of time and when we meet up it's always nice to speak about the old times.

But essentially I noticed that when the bar of 20-25 years old was crossed most of the people moved on. Nothing against people who kept playing games, but that's the reality. Simply most of us have too many responsibilities to keep that lifestyle. When you start thinking about marrying, having children, how to take your career to the next level you realize there is no place for gaming anymore. I suppose this is also the reason why most of the audience is "casual" - because life is too hectic and competitive nowadays, especially in big cities.

But again this is not a rule - if there are people here around their '30s and happy with playing games all the time, my best wishes to them.
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I, and all my friends still play videogames, so...yeah, that's garbage. You choose your hobbies and you make time for them, if gaming isn't one that gets chosen, that's nothing to do with age.

Why do you even still post here, aren't you too busy
 
marc^o^ said:
Look back at Wii best selling games numbers, 4X bigger than PS3 exlusives despite a terrible piracy rate.
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The Wii was sold by Wiifit and the motion gimmick, not by the classic Nintendo franchises. Those failed on both the N64 and the Gamecube to do anything against the Playstation dominance and they are now failing on the WiiU.
 
Broken Hope said:
I don't think you realise just how badly the Wii U is selling, they would have to increase sales over 6x what they are now and sustain that for years to even break even with what Gamecube sold.
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The system is selling pretty badly, but there have been consoles that have sold worse. On top of that I wasn't saying the Wii U was in terrific shape, just that no one can predict the future, it's undetermined. For all we know, PS4 and Xbone could flop so hard they create a nuclear flop storm, will they? Probably not, but saying "this will not happen! period" is just silly.
 
AOC83 said:
The Wii was sold by Wiifit and the motion gimmick, not by the classic Nintendo franchises. Those failed on both the N64 and the Gamecube to do anything against the Playstation dominance and they are now failing on the WiiU.
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so why did classic Nintnedo franchises sell so well on wii?
 
Mango The Magician said:
B. Is Final Fantasy really a system seller?
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It definitely used to be. And FFVII, arguably the most popular game in the franchise, still would be. Crisis Core, a spinoff, sold many, many thousands of PSPs five years ago.

While people do tend to go overboard about the commercial potential of a FFVII remake, not to mention detouring logic regarding the inherent colossal cost of recreating the game with modern production values (Square have sensibly stated that it would take forever and cost the earth, in fact I'm not even sure they'd be able to fund it themselves now), if such a remake did exist, there's no doubt at all that it would move hardware.

Broken Hope said:
I don't think you realise just how badly the Wii U is selling, they would have to increase sales over 6x what they are now and sustain that for years to even break even with what Gamecube sold.
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There is absolutely no doubt at all that Wii U sales will pick up, quickly, and soon. They're at rock bottom now, due to a 6 month software drought on top of a poor launch lineup. Current and future software is infinitely more enticing.
 
I don't think there is a single game that could do it. I think even the mighty Mario Kart will not have that much of an impact.

It needs a better (BETTER) price, better marketing, and an absolute multitude of games.

Just an aside: I wonder, if A Link to the Past II is successful, could we see more direct sequels to fuel nostalgia-driven sales? Super Mario Bros 4; Ocarina of Time II, Metroid 4, etc? Some of these could appear on the 3DS, some could be for the Wii U.

Also, I don't follow Pokemon myself, but wouldn't there be large demand for a console-scale full Pokemon RPG?
 
actually... why would ff7 ever come to wii u?
It's obvious that Squenix would put it out on one of their preferred platforms, like ios.
 
Cygnus X-1 said:
When you start thinking about marrying, having children, how to take your career to the next level you realize there is no place for gaming anymore.
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Kids are actually the biggest incentive for us to remain gamers, they first ask us for Luigi, Mario, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Pokemon. That's why 3DS and its games are selling despite the premium price it has vs $5 ios games. And then that's why Wii U with these franchises and a local multiplayer focus at a lower price point will stand a chance.
 
Mango The Magician said:
Don't get me wrong, I would love a FFVII remake, especially if it were availabe on the Wii U, but:

A. I don't think Square is capable of remaking a good Final Fantast without fucking it up in some way.

and

B. Is Final Fantasy really a system seller?
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Yes of course FF is still a system seller. However people even thinking there is going to be a FF7 remake are delusional enough. Thinking it would exclusive to the WiiU on top of that is insanity.
 
goomba said:
so why did classic Nintnedo franchises sell so well on wii?
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You´re confusing something here, the only franchises that really took off on the Wii were NSMB and Mario Kart. All the others didn´t sell anywhere near what a 4 times higher userbase compared to the Gamecube would suggest.

And both these game had some casual/multiplayer/family appeal, that´s why the were fitting for the casual/family Wii userbase,
 
Neff said:
It definitely used to be. And FFVII, arguably the most popular game in the franchise, still would be. Crisis Core, a spinoff, sold many, many thousands of PSPs five years ago.

While people do tend to go overboard about the commercial potential of a FFVII remake, not to mention detouring logic regarding the inherent colossal cost of recreating the game with modern production values (Square have sensibly stated that it would take forever and cost the earth, in fact I'm not even sure they'd be able to fund it themselves now), if such a remake did exist, there's no doubt at all that it would move hardware.
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I'm not doubting that a FFVII remake would move hardware, just that I don't know most people nowadays that would go out and buy an entire system for Final Fantasy. People who played and love FFVII, maybe, people who have never played FFVII and as such view as a new FF, I'm not sure. As for Crisis Core, has anyone here beaten that game? That last boss is beyond cheap. :/
 
System sellers like a remake of FFVII are short sighted. A system is never sold on one game, it's the one game with the hope and promise of more of that. Halo for example, it's not just that Halo is incredible, it's that there will be a Halo 2, with online multiplayer. It's an investment in a franchise on a piece of hardware. MG:GB and FFVII would still be isolated examples, MGS5 and FFXV, the games that really matter and show the intent of the publishers in terms of future hardware choices, have still shunned the WiiU.
 
Sir_Crocodile said:
I, and all my friends still play videogames, so...yeah, that's garbage. You choose your hobbies and you make time for them, if gaming isn't one that gets chosen, that's nothing to do with age.

Why do you even still post here, aren't you too busy
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Sick in my bed - first time since 8 months or so. And I there is no reason to take it so personally - just my opinion.
 
AOC83 said:
You´re confusing something here, the only franchises that really took off on the Wii were NSMB and Mario Kart. All the others didn´t sell anywhere near what a 4 times higher userbase compared to the Gamecube would suggest.

And both these game had some casual/multiplayer/family appeal, that´s why the were fitting for the casual/family Wii userbase,
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casual/multiplayer/family appeal is arguably a main tenant of nintendos market for all of their games. Donkey kong and zelda tp sold around 6 million copies each.
 
marc^o^ said:
Kids are actually the biggest incentive for us to remain gamers, they first ask us for Luigi, Mario, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Pokemon. That's why 3DS and its games are selling despite the premium price it has vs $5 ios games. And then that's why Wii U with these franchises and a local multiplayer focus at a lower price point will stand a chance.
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You may be right about that and look forward to see what can happen with my kids in the future :-D
 
Well, Bayonetta 2 will push me harder than a constant stream of remakes of Nintendo staple I.p.s for the new generation.
 
Why does everyone keep saying that MK8 will save the WiiU, there are very similar kart games on the X360/PS3 & no doubt will be on the X1/PS4, MK8 will just be MK7 with better graphics etc but then there is not the numbers of WiiU owners to play online, people are not going to buy a WiiU just for MK8 when they can buy a X1/PS4 for the same price.

If i didn't already have a WiiU i wouldn't buy a WiiU for MK8, i regret buying a WiiU at launch.
 
Nothing on the software side will save the Wii U for now.

Nintendo needs to throw some serious money at western developers to make the platform viable again. The problem is that the opportunity costs for developers investing money in the Wii U is freakishly high. They will lose huge amounts of revenue if they put effort in a Wii U game instead of a game for the other platforms. Ubisoft realized they made that mistake and have made that 180 (can I use that term now for other stuff?) really quickly.

I suppose the only solution for Nintendo is to be the Nintendo that the Wii U needs and deserves. That means quality software on par with the 3DS but not even that is not happening. If this happens it will make at least GameCube numbers (and thus presumably make a profit for Nintendo) because it will address the market of people that are attracted to Nintendo content. Once the company has reached those amount of sales, it should think about the future of the system or it's follow up.

To be fair: PS4 and Xbox One will probably crush Wii U numbers but there is nothing that points to both consoles being massive successes yet, especially the Xbox One that has had some huge marketing and PR failures. The market being impacted by ongoing economic troubles in western regions and consumer spending shifting partly to mobile games the console market wont help it. Only Sony has the brand power and development studio's to leverage the PS4 over PS3 numbers. It's just a difficult industry situation for all players if you think about it, but we've seen darker days so I'm sure Nintendo will at one point be able to turn it around.
 
I think many people still believe Vita can wake by getting monster hunter 4 and this true.

Wii U also can wake up again by getting EA games & many strong exclusive games.
 
Zelda/Mario/Smash bros combo.
A Pokemon game will probably also boost sales.

I don't think you can change it with one game.
 
There is no such game.

In my opinion is a matter of design. I would say now WiiU should be living it's best moment because of the importance of PS360. Once the new systems are in the market no one will spend money to downgrade their games for the new generation and port them. Which means that future times will be even worse.

I expect Nintendo to launch a new system around 2015.
 
suppadoopa said:
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Hohoooo, that'd be the one alright.

Other than that, as some have said there's a problem with the amount of titles available, the quality will no doubt be fine at the very least if you take Nintendo's dev teams and second parties and whatnot into consideration.

But this is all with regards to the (Nintendo friendly) core, I don't think the casuals can be won back with the Wii U. So you'd still be talking Gamecube or sub-Gamecube levels in the end. Not exactly hotcakes but still a lot better than what's going on right now.
 
By making a real 3D Mario (ie. Galaxy 3) would help instead of this 2.5D bullshit. Don't get me wrong, 3D Land was amazing and from what I've played of 3D World; I can only imagine it'll be similar. This isn't what Nintendo needs for the Wii U though. Skyward Sword should of been on the Wii U at launch and not on Wii. (or at least been like Twilight Princess) Once they pump out their flagship titles, they should release new entries in their lower-ranking series like Kirby, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Star Fox, and F-Zero. That, if anything, should help sales of the Wii U reach GameCube/N64.

Thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.
 
I loved FF7 but it wouldn't drive the mass market to buy a WiiU alone. And from a European point of view I'd say that it is mandatory to have FIFA, GTA, COD, BF and all the other 'mainstream' multiplats on a console. 360 did quite well here because it reliably had all these multiplatform games in a good quality. It's sad but true, without EA and Rockstar you can't get the mainstream folks.
As long as there are basically only the (fantastic) Nintendo franchises, the WiiU won't take off here.
 
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