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What is the reason behind SFV lack of Arcade Mode?
- Thread starter dragonzdogma
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FM is mostly likely not the reason. If they did give a reward for completing arcade mode it would most likely be a one time thing per character. It was most likely rushed out the door and with the amount of people they heard asking for better online they probably thought people didn't care too much for the arcade mode. That and their actually is no arcade mode. Its just a bunch of bad decisions combined with a couple good ones that ultimately pleased a very small percentage of the fanbase.
Clearly you haven't been following SFV for a while. They've thus far stuck to their support-until-2020 word (with characters, stages, costumes, alternate music, etc.). And while stuff like keyboard mapping & better rage-quitting options should have been there sooner, they were pretty much added as time went on (the keyboard mapping was added in the most recent update). The only major complaints left to address outside of gameplay are Arcade Mode & Extra Battle, both of which are rumored to be coming in the near future.
As far as gameplay complaints go, I hope they can address the heavy skew towards offensive play after the Capcom Cup, but that remains to be seen.
That's what I was thinking when I saw the Character Stories. Why they didn't just make that into a glorified Arcade Mode is beyond me.
The whales are doing their part.
With some of this shit, people have bought the game 5 times over.
Far from a failure lol. Its the only game where you can buy characters and stages for free IIRC and thats highly welcome in this day and age of DLC. The only thing I have a problem with is they dont give enough in ranked/casual. They should also implement it in Battle Lounges in some way.
people who like arcade mode, which is none of those things
I mean that kind of stopped supporting it where it counts. Yes it's cool to use it to pull in new dlc characters, but the grand majority of content released for the game is real money only. Considering how much FM you can get by simply doing all the trials, all the demos, the story mode and easy and normal survival, it's kind of telling that only stages and characters are accessible via FM. Hell, I straight up forgot that battle costumes were premium.
If you do all that stuff and buy everything you can with FM, you still have a couple million FM left over. Capcom isn't going to push it because people seem fine with spending money.
Of course, all this said, doing half of the things I listed are either mind-numbingly dull or just frustrating because the modes are so bad, hence the season pass still seems like a better option BUT EVEN THEN...
You see where I'm going. The Value proposition of FM just wasn't what we thought it was going to be in the long run. Personally, I think it's criminal that playing and winning ranked matches nets you so little.
It's still better than loot boxes though.
The approximately 2.1 million who decided to spend their money elsewhere.
You ain't wrong.
I'm glad Japan is still kind of behind on the loot box tip and are focusing on Gatcha garbage instead.
I don't think we'll be so lucky on the next go around.
Dark Ninja
Member
They probably could have gotten 5 times that if they put in Lootboxes so your paying for a chance to get a skin for the character you play.
letmetrythisname
Member
A complete lack of thought. I don't know what they were doing. You don't even need to put a boss in there, just make a series of 8-10 fights.
lucebuce12
Member
I've seen that most of the people who tend to have an issue with the FM system don't play the game online.
And bitch about paying real money too.
And bitch about paying real money too.
And bitch about almost everything else that is in the game too.
People hate being able to get stuff for free in addition to just being able to pay for it?
Better tell that to the billion other games using this model!
I mean, as I expounded upon, there's not really that much you can get for free. Outside of stages and characters, nearly everything has been premium.
It's funny though. A lot of people were saying ARMS had too little to offer at its price and even it had a full fledged arcade mode and survival and special survival(Arms Test) on release. It's baseline single player and like one of the longest if not THE longest traditions in fighting games.
And they are the same people who think loot boxes are good, what a sad world we live in.
Stages and characters are the two most important things people want to get for free!
lucebuce12
Member
Oh, the inhumanity.
Yep, I agree this is probably the case.
Or they thought Survival Mode would be an adequate replacement. At first I thought so too...until I played it. Good lord, what were they thinking with the gigantic difficulty spikes. When we had footage of Infiltration having a hard time beating Survival mode at launch you know it is extremely poorly balanced.
But yeah as for Arcade mode, it's likely coming but no reason to release it now....might as well include it with a huge update.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Probably not going to get them more sales (despite what people claim)
They rather make 3 more Chun-li costumes
They rather make 3 more Chun-li costumes
Go face the computer on versus mode ten times. Arcade mode is basically that, just increase the difficulty to the highest against Bison. Enjoy.
Thats my issue with some of the complaints, too. Playing through the weekly missions alone should keep your FM reserves at a healthy number.
Rushed development to get the competitive modes out in time for EVO. Arcade mode was left out after bad word of mouth and lots of optimization problems began hurting sales on the main game, so they spent more time honing that in and finishing the art assets they'd already began developing before launch.
There were a lot of promises and features that have still yet to be implemented as money and time is scarce and the only thing that seems to sell anymore are bikinis and waifus.
deadscreensky
Member
I disagree with your basic premise. Failing to satisfy a fundamental genre expectation of potential customers, apparently only because you think it's unimportant, is terrible judgement and that is absolutely incompetence. And if arcade mode is still being worked on as rumored, then it taking so freaking long is also incompetence. Back when the fighting genre was dominating arcades you had entirely new games developed and released in less time than the wait for SF5's post-release arcade mode.
At this point I can't buy the rushed excuse. If arcade mode released three months after launch, sure, then they were too rushed. But Capcom has had plenty of time to fix this problem. That excuse is usable for a year at the most extremely generous.
(If for some reason Capcom releases an arcade mode with substantial new content -- new stages, multiple new boss characters, lots of cutscenes, redone AI because the stuff it shipped with is pretty terrible -- I'll possibly concede some of my points. But that won't happen.)
It's true that an arcade mode probably won't earn them more sales now. But severe, features-cutting cheapness is a form of incompetence too.
Mathematics
Neo Member
No arcade cabinets. No arcade mode.
Someone might have said this already but I think the lack of Arcade Mode was due to: (a) rushing the game out in-time for the Capcom Pro Tour 2016 season and (b) total misunderstanding of what the market actually wants. Tekken 7 and Injustice 2 have proven that the market will pay for fighting games with high quality flashy single player modes (repeatable and non-repeatable) with lots of in-game collectables; two areas where SFV is severely lacking.
The Arcade Mode and Arcade Edition rumors are bubbling up. But I hope sincerely hope Capcom is doing more than just putting an Arcade Mode together. That won't be enough in a world where casual players are having a blast with the multiple single player modes present in newer fighting games that go beyond a standard arcade ladder. Like I've said before, SFV would greatly benefit from having its own Multiverse/Challenge Tower-mode with Fight Money rewards and other unlockable rewards. I hope whatever update is coming to the game early next year is robust and is more than just the addition of Arcade Mode.
The Arcade Mode and Arcade Edition rumors are bubbling up. But I hope sincerely hope Capcom is doing more than just putting an Arcade Mode together. That won't be enough in a world where casual players are having a blast with the multiple single player modes present in newer fighting games that go beyond a standard arcade ladder. Like I've said before, SFV would greatly benefit from having its own Multiverse/Challenge Tower-mode with Fight Money rewards and other unlockable rewards. I hope whatever update is coming to the game early next year is robust and is more than just the addition of Arcade Mode.
?? theres pretty much 3 main pieces of dlc. characters, stages, and costumes. You can get 2 of the 3 with fight money, aside from cpt stages. Sounds good to me
Online is for multiplayer only, story isn't that great from what people say, training is just training and the character specific story modes are 2-4 1 round easy and boring as hell matches with zero challenge whatsoever. I would take an arcade mode with 8-10 matches that has difficulty settings and endings over those single player modes anyday. Versus is alright but not the same.
dragonzdogma
Member
Now I don't feel so bad,
I've been wondering, does anyone know where I can find Pro players like Daigo and infilatration streaming , hard or extreme survival runs?
hikarutilmitt
Member
The reason it doesn't have arcade mode:
They didn't put it into the game.
That's it. That's all.
Now, can we please stop talking about it for a little bit? Or maybe keep discussing it in the same thread(s) we were already discussing it in?
They didn't put it into the game.
That's it. That's all.
Now, can we please stop talking about it for a little bit? Or maybe keep discussing it in the same thread(s) we were already discussing it in?
sixteen-bit
Member
I wonder if Arcade mode will come to consoles later, to give incentive for folks to go to arcades instead.
I remember the arcade release SF4AE has timed exclusives on some characters like Oni and Evil Ryu
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I like to use it to test drive characters I'm learning. Survival doesn't really work for that.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
It's still weird.
Even weirder though is the way player 1 controls whether or not to rematch or go to character select instead of both players selecting and going to character select if one of them chooses it. That one is an all time head scratcher. I mean, what in the world.
Even weirder though is the way player 1 controls whether or not to rematch or go to character select instead of both players selecting and going to character select if one of them chooses it. That one is an all time head scratcher. I mean, what in the world.
I really dont think this is the case for most people. Thats the head scratcher for me: we have two alternative modes that nobody seemed to want that required more effort than an arcade mode (much more in the case of Cinematic).
But if they do that, we will lose all the thumbs up in tournaments, i say we keep it like that.
Both are pretty lame, to be honest.
A physical "Arcade Edition" disc version was leaked w/ a January release date. Because of the CPT, it's very unlikely that parity would not be maintained.
USF4 was in arcades for about 7-8 months before console launched, but they also treated Arcade USF4 like a beta- lots of balance changes were done w/ the console launch.
zenspider
Member
FTFY
I'm hardly a pro, but I have zero interest in an arcade mode. It teaches bad habits and is not "the game" as it is properly played.
That being said, it does seem easy enough to code - they have the AI ready to go - so I don't understand why the haven't tacked it on yet. Probably because they know that it's not going to translate into sales.
They do, however, have a vs. AI option in Versus mode so if you really don't want to play survival or online, it's trivial to roll your own.
Arcade mode wasn't a priority for a game with no arcade release and being rushed out the door to sell for Feb 2016. Even if it had one, it wouldn't have stopped people's complaints about the game because there were numerous issues for it at launch.
They're testing the Steam version of the game for arcades, so they'll probably patch in an arcade mode.
They're testing the Steam version of the game for arcades, so they'll probably patch in an arcade mode.
Again, none of this explains why Arcade mode was considered a lower priority than either of the Story modes.
Characters and stages are what makes fighting games. If MvCi had a FM system people would be ecstatic.
gutter_trash
Banned
catering to E-Sports crowd killed Arcade Mode.
I'm still waiting for Arcade Mode, LOL
apologists are complicit submissive ants
I'm still waiting for Arcade Mode, LOL
apologists are complicit submissive ants
No they wouldn't. FM was taken for granted in SFV. Capcom offered free fighting game content for the rest of the title's life, and people treated it like a ripoff. Nobody is getting ecstatic no matter what Capcom does with these games.