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What it Looks Like when 1400 People Lose their Jobs
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LyleLanley
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That's certainly a possibility.
Fennec
Member
What wrong did he say?
Violence Jack
Member
That's actually not heartless at all to do it that way. I used to work for a company who said they would be cutting their workforce by 2,500 employees, and they gave no timetable as to when it was going to happen, or to which group(s) it would effect. Therefore, you had thousands of employees walking on eggshells losing their minds for over a year because no one know knew if they were going to have a job anymore. During this, all of the VPs gave themselves ridiculous bonuses and scheduled numerous "meetings" in Las Vegas. When someone questioned them about this during a town hall meeting, they were immediately fired.
So it can be worse. At least these people have over a year to start finding other employment.
So it can be worse. At least these people have over a year to start finding other employment.
ryutaro's mama
Member
"We still have a job to do..."
It sucks for those people but they do have a year to find another job. Hopefully the unions will also include a nice severance package and maybe some college education should they want to switch careers.
Having said that, I think he's well within his right to be worried about a $6,000 item he's already paid for that could potentially (though doubtful) sabotaged due to pissed off workers wanting to stick it to the company. I mean, I don't think he's got anything to worry about, but I can't blame him for being worried either. It's not like it's a small investment.
Alebrije
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As always it's sad for those people but also Carrier is struggling againts companies like LG on the residential market. By example years ago most of homes had York or Carrier equipments ,now most of people have LG becuase are cheaper and you can get also cheaper sparts.
The reason : LG moved a plant to Mexico years ago.
Sorry for that people but Carrier could be dead on a few years if they do not reduce cost and offer price competitive products
The reason : LG moved a plant to Mexico years ago.
Sorry for that people but Carrier could be dead on a few years if they do not reduce cost and offer price competitive products
Honestly, the best thing a corporate employee can do is be prepared to be fired any day. It's really not personal. The employees showing outrage in the video need to internalize the issue. Why are they losing their job? What can they do to minimize the chances of this happening again? What skills do they have to market to another employer or begin their own endeavor.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Hope that guy had security detail when making that announcement. It felt like somethings was going to break out any minute. Feel bad he has to make that announcement.
Good in the company for doing this in phases and providing over a 1 year notice to the first transition. Plenty of time for those impacted to line up something else.
Good in the company for doing this in phases and providing over a 1 year notice to the first transition. Plenty of time for those impacted to line up something else.
TL;DR:
Got fired because your jobs are moving to developing countries for cheaper labor? Well then you must be the issue, because bootstraps!
shadowsdarknes
Member
This was to appease the shareholders, but the shareholders feel absolutely zero impact from this.
Amory
Member
they...are?
why do you think they're doing this? it's so consumers can buy an air conditioner for a crazy low price
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
More like the product likely couldn't be produced in the current environment. A unionized workforce puts a huge amount of stress on the financials of a division. Moving to a non unionized workforce out of country will allow them to remain competitive with their competitors who are likely doing the same thing.
Sucks people will lose their jobs. But the company appears to be doing the transition in a manner that is much more sensitive to the employees.
backflip10019
Member
I mean, they have a year to find a job. Yeah, it's shitty their jobs are disappearing, but they had the courtesy to give over a year's notice, which is something 99% of companies don't do when cutting mass staff.
shadowsdarknes
Member
It's a good ole fashioned race to the bottom.
Yeah, we have. But all of them are part or are afiliated to the CTM, which is sided with el puto PRI. So ....
In short, they're corrupt to the bone and beyond.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
It happens in almost every established market.
Not everything can be positioned as a premium product.
whatsinaname
Member
Wait, didn't they receive a large grant last year to expand this same facility?
http://www.carrier.com/residential/...allocated_advanced_energy_project_credit.aspx
http://www.carrier.com/residential/...allocated_advanced_energy_project_credit.aspx
I've had a position disappear while I was in the hiring process and a week away from starting because an expected contract didn't go through on the company's end. They explained the situation, apologized, and they let me know they'd contact me if anything else opened up. (It did, 9 months later.) These types of decisions have to be made- if the money's not there, it's not there.
I've run the A/V technical side of meetings almost exactly like this. I've also been someone that was ushered into a conference room and received the same message. It's something I'll never forget and has changed my life and goals completely. My heart goes out to these people and their families.
Layoffs at my current IT company occur the day they're decided upon. You don't even get a chance to say goodbye to your coworkers; you are merely collected by HR and then monitored by your supervisor while you hurriedly pack up your things and leave quietly.
I'm giving Carrier the nod here for giving these poor bastards such advanced warning.
I'm giving Carrier the nod here for giving these poor bastards such advanced warning.
GustyGardens
Banned
Right?
A friend of mine worked for a company about 3 years ago that was letting go most of their staff, accept for a select few. The company knew about the lay offs months in advanced, but didn't say anything to employees until the day they were to be let go. The day they were laid off was 2 weeks before Christmas, too!
I should be more specific, surely *all* the savings will be passed on to consumers. Clearly there is a profit motive for this, and we all know where profit goes.
TarpitCarnivore
Member
5.1MM over 5 years ago. Carrier is a huge company, not some 10 person tech start up that can stretch out 5MM easily.
FreedomFighter
Member
OP times 20 if and when TPP comes online.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Most corporations I worked for do same day layoffs unless they are obliged by the WARN act.
The layoff in the video is an example of good corporate behavior even though they weren't obligated to provide such a notice.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
I work for sports authority, and the company filed for bankruptcy. Over 100 stores are shutting down, and a few stores in our district will be shutting down, which means some will want to come our store. Unfortunately managers will discuss who stays and goes due to tight payroll.
God I hope I get this job at United health group.
God I hope I get this job at United health group.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
You probably won't find an all-American assembled company out there. This sucks for the workers, but they did this in about the best way possible.
DragonSworne
Banned
Fuck them. 1500 people lose their job so the board and a few shareholders can make more money.
If we truly had regulations then this shit like this would be illegal.
If we truly had regulations then this shit like this would be illegal.
whatsinaname
Member
It was 2 years ago. And if that is small money for them, why take it?
Skiptastic
Member
Yep. Our Senator Joe Donnelly was on the radio yesterday, and basically said they need to pay back that money, which they apparently have said they would.
They also apparently couldn't just come out and say, "We're moving because we can pay people $4 an hour in Mexico." They kept saying onerous regulations and streamlining supply chains with vendors was the reason, which has to be bullshit.
Yeah I bet.. Lol.
The US need to end free trade with other countries. We are the top consuming country in the world, and it isn't even close and our manufacturing jobs ate dwindling. "Free Trade" benefits everyone but us because all of the manufacturing is now done, or on it's way to being done outside the US. How can we sustain if all we do is consume but not create? Our jobs keep getting outsourced as profit margins get thinner and thinner so share holders profits can get bigger and bigger.
Shareholders love it, and people love to pay less but it's not sustainable. We simply can't sustain as a nation of purely consumers. I see a common theme running through lots of Bernie Sanders support posts where people say they wouldn't mind paying more taxes so nobody goes hungry. How about paying more for goods and services so people have jobs and don't go hungry instead?
Crimson_Fate
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The other sad fact is that once they move manufacturing all of the the Profit made in mexico from this move will never return to the US because of the tax on foreign profits. So lost Jobs, tax revenue and future expansion.
I don't see any manufacturing jobs being able to succeed in the US , I suspect we will see alot more moves and/or closings.
I don't see any manufacturing jobs being able to succeed in the US , I suspect we will see alot more moves and/or closings.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Trump has policy goals of bringing jobs like this back to the USA.
TarpitCarnivore
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Ah, thought your quote was saying it was during 2009.
Hah, never noticed the H2 Whoa, man, that's a call back to an ooooold episode!
It could be a gesture of benevolence, it could be a face-saving gesture, it's arguably a bad idea from a strictly business standpoint because you know productivity's going to drop like a stone and absenteeism is going to go up even from the people who stay out the year (and not just from general "no fucks to give," but from people dumping vacation/personal days, etc). So I would think they're announcing it for a good reason, because they had every reason to just tell them in the week before the plant shuts down.
Either that or they figured a leak was inevitable, so best just to get out ahead of the story and face the consequences.
rob305
Member
This is how it works in most financial institutions too. Someone from HR grabs you, takes you to a meeting room far away and you leave the facilities without going back to your office. You can't even pack up your things, they will do that for you and you can pick it up at your front desk a couple of days later or have it mailed to you. This is mostly due to security reasons, they dont want people grabbing any business information or something.
On the good side, the severances are baaaaaawlin
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