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You can buy Vodka in the supermarket in California. Convenient. Especially for getting wine for dinner.

Shit, Winn-Dixie's and Publix have full Liquor store attachments built right into them here in Florida besides selling wine in the stores.

The only drawback is you can get shot if you stop in a Little Caesar on the way home for a pizza or play your music to loud. Then again you really shouldn't be going into a Little Caesars anyways so maybe that one isn't a negative.
 
Huh weird. Somebody should make a thread about that.



I always liked you Oregonians. The only other state in this country sensible enough to make some poor schmuck pump your gas for you!

Ha, yeah. People have mixed feelings about that. >_< Personally I think it's great.
 
Because the american people don't like the idea of police officers raiding people's home to take away their property

"If I didn't have this gun, the King of England could just walk in here any time he wants and start shoving you around. Do you want that?"
 
it was a joke

maybe next time she should understand the laws she gets herself wrapped into
Not a funny one. "Next time" for her will be after two years of litigation and three years in prison (she made an admission to the "crime" directly to the police, not much room for the defense attorney to work and the federal law ties the judge's hands too).

"Next time" is trite advice for trite offenses, which this is, but not treated as such in New Jersey.
 
"If I didn't have this gun, the King of England could just walk in here any time he wants and start shoving you around. Do you want that?"

You joke, but guess who is always going to be able to buy a gun if they wanted to.

This guy

And guess who will never get their gun ban.

You
 
Not a funny one. "Next time" for her will be after two years of litigation and three years in prison (she made an admission to the "crime" directly to the police, not much room for the defense attorney to work and the federal law ties the judge's hands too).

"Next time" is trite advice for trite offenses, which this is, but not treated as such in New Jersey.

sucks to not follow laws i guess
 
Not a funny one. "Next time" for her will be after two years of litigation and three years in prison (she made an admission to the "crime" directly to the police, not much room for the defense attorney to work and the federal law ties the judge's hands too).

"Next time" is trite advice for trite offenses, which this is, but not treated as such in New Jersey.
Perhaps she should be a responsible owner and learn the rules.

Btw, you are not making sense...is this state or Federal?
 
You joke, but guess who is always going to be able to buy a gun if they wanted to.

This guy

And guess who will never get their gun ban.

You

This. It's very satisfying knowing that salty hardcore anti-gun people who have never fired a gun in their entire life will never get their way.

I'm 100% for having a reasonable discussion about gun violence and ways that our society can work to reduce gun deaths in a way that's fair and reasonable. But people who call for a blanket ban are wasting their energy and aren't even worth responding to. There will not be a full ban on guns in this country in our lifetimes. Get the fuck over it and start coming up with some reasonable alternative solutions.

What are your thoughts on CCW?

I'm okay with it but I would prefer if the process to get a CWW were a little more thorough in deterring people who shouldn't have guns in the first place. I mean certain gun laws (like the lack of any kind of mental health evaluation or the ability to buy from a private seller without a background check) are fucked up as is so the last thing we need is to make it extremely easy for a person to be able to carry a loaded gun around anywhere they go. Having that kind of responsibility should require more than just a $50 afternoon class in my opinion. .
 
I'm okay with it but I would prefer if the process to get a CWW were a little more thorough in deterring people who shouldn't have guns in the first place. I mean certain gun laws (like the lack of any kind of mental health evaluation or the ability to buy from a private seller without a background check) are fucked up as is so the last thing we need is to make it extremely easy for a person to be able to carry a loaded gun around anywhere they go. Having that kind of responsibility should require more than just a $50 afternoon class in my opinion. .

Are you a member of the NRA?
 
Come to Oregon! Our gun laws are pretty lax. I think the only restrictions are on out of state CCWs along with the federal laws everyone has to follow pertaining to NFA guns, etc.

We'll have a merry old time annihilating inanimate objects with my AK-47.





Oh my. The level of ignorance is truly amazing.

First of all, most hunters love nature and are conservationists. Hunting is regulated in such a way that it maintains balance in an ecosystem where hunting is permitted and has existed for centuries. If the state were to say "sorry you can't hunt here anymore" generally what happens is the population of the species in question increases to a size that is no longer sustainable. You then have overfeeding, starvation and disease that can kill off way more animals than what regulated hunting would. Humans are part of the ecosystem. The last thing we need to do is fuck it all up, and hunting helps to prevent that.

It's not about seeing an animal and saying "I want to kill that." Sure, some hunters think like that I'm sure but it's not such a bad thing to contribute to a program that is designed to help nature. You may not be able to bring yourself to pull the trigger and that's perfectly understandable. But don't judge people for participating in something that is legal and quite frankly more natural than what you'll find at the local slaughterhouse.

It's no surprise that this, the most rational snd informative post in this thread, is being ignored.
 
This. It's very satisfying knowing that salty hardcore anti-gun people who have never fired a gun in their entire life will never get their way.
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Sure, in other parts of the world, probably with less shootings. Why do you havr such a weird fixation?
 
Are you a member of the NRA?

No. I can't stand the NRA. I might support them if they didn't lobby against common-sense stuff like closing the private sale loophole. But they see EVERY piece of legislation as some kind of attack on gun owners and gun manufacturers even if those laws wouldn't restrict a law-abiding citizen from buying a gun like normal.

Sure, in other parts of the world, probably with less shootings. Why do you havr such a weird fixation?

I simply have very little respect for people who call for law abiding citizen's property to be forcefully taken from them just because a TINY minority of people choose to use guns in terrible ways. I don't have a fixation with guns. To me guns are like my PS4... I own them as a hobby and nothing else. It's also an interesting debate when both sides are reasonable. Those who call for a full ban are just as unreasonable as those who think there should be no new gun laws at all. That's fine if you're from another country that banned guns and doesn't have the problems with gun violence that we have. But that doesn't mean you can automatically apply that strategy to the US and expect people to be on board. I have guns worth over $2000. I've never harmed or felt the desire to harm another person with a gun in my entire life, like the vast majority of gun owners. So it's not all that unreasonable to want some kind of alternative or middle ground as opposed to a full on ban.
 
This. It's very satisfying knowing that salty hardcore anti-gun people who have never fired a gun in their entire life will never get their way.

I'm 100% for having a reasonable discussion about gun violence and ways that our society can work to reduce gun deaths in a way that's fair and reasonable. But people who call for a blanket ban are wasting their energy and aren't even worth responding to. There will not be a full ban on guns in this country in our lifetimes. Get the fuck over it and start coming up with some reasonable alternative solutions.



I'm okay with it but I would prefer if the process to get a CWW were a little more thorough in deterring people who shouldn't have guns in the first place. I mean certain gun laws (like the lack of any kind of mental health evaluation or the ability to buy from a private seller without a background check) are fucked up as is so the last thing we need is to make it extremely easy for a person to be able to carry a loaded gun around anywhere they go. Having that kind of responsibility should require more than just a $50 afternoon class in my opinion. .

I can't believe Vermont doesn't even issue a permit for CCW. As I said in the OP even out-of-state residents can conceal carry.
 
This. It's very satisfying knowing that salty hardcore anti-gun people who have never fired a gun in their entire life will never get their way.

I'm 100% for having a reasonable discussion about gun violence and ways that our society can work to reduce gun deaths in a way that's fair and reasonable. But people who call for a blanket ban are wasting their energy and aren't even worth responding to. There will not be a full ban on guns in this country in our lifetimes. Get the fuck over it and start coming up with some reasonable alternative solutions.

Where exactly in this thread have people been advocating banning guns outright? People here are questioning why the OP is pissed that he has to fill some more paperwork to own weapon and all of sudden gun owners are all "they want to take our weapons away!" LOL
 
I wonder how many ducks/deers/bears/whatever-is-hunted you eat or consume? Come on, one thing is for eating/drinking/wear, other is for... nothing. Just for the thrill of it. It's weird.

In most modern developed nations, you aren't eating pork because it's a necessary part of your diet. You eat it because it's tastier than soy beans and tofu.
 
No. I can't stand the NRA. I might support them if they didn't lobby against common-sense stuff like closing the private sale loophole. But they see EVERY piece of legislation as some kind of attack on gun owners and gun manufacturers even if those laws wouldn't restrict a law-abiding citizen from buying a gun like normal.
The NRA isn't a gun owners organization, it is gun manufacturers lobbyist. They go creepy overboard on making sure it is way easy to buy guns because gun sales is their goal.
 
No. I can't stand the NRA. I might support them if they didn't lobby against common-sense stuff like closing the private sale loophole. But they see EVERY piece of legislation as some kind of attack on gun owners and gun manufacturers even if those laws wouldn't restrict a law-abiding citizen from buying a gun like normal.

Well I'm glad you see the NRA as nothing more than the sham they are.

I'm very tired of people saying they are very much for legal reform on private sales and mental illness checks... but yet still give money to the people directly fighting against those.

Are you a towel?

huh
 
I wonder how many ducks/deers/bears/whatever-is-hunted you eat or consume? Come on, one thing is for eating/drinking/wear, other is for... nothing. Just for the thrill of it. It's weird.

A dead pig is dead. The pig would not care if you killed it for fun or for consumption.
 
That's perhaps too hard of a punishment. It's not the regulation fault, but the legislation's.
When you over-regulate you get a State like New Jersey. The traditional approach to crimes and punishment is that "Everything is permissible unless prohibited." Thus giving citizens the benefit of the doubt if the law is unwritten or ambiguous and requiring carefully crafted legislation to be clear as to the boundaries of the forbidden. If a statute is unclear or poorly written, it can be void for vagueness and the citizen not punished. Although some guilty may go free, we err on the side of the citizen being innocent.

In New Jersey, that centuries old precept of how law should work is turned upside down and all firearm possession and activities are presumed unlawful unless you are operating within an exempted use. Problem: those exemptions are crafted by flawed legislators and thus equally flawed. A "trite" example that ruined one man's life... in order to prevent its citizens from going about the state with firearms, it provides exemptions for transport only from one's residence to the range and back (less than five other exempted locations, but for the sake of a simple story)... it does NOT include an exemption for travel from one residence to another! Brian Aitken was a Colorado resident moving back to New Jersey after a divorce. At one point, ferrying his belongings from one out-of-state residence to the other, he was stopped by police, found with firearms, convicted of possession, and sentenced to 7 years of prison (though, thankfully, spending only about a year in prison before the Governor commuted his sentence... still took many years thereafter to remove the conviction so that he wasn't a convicted felon anymore).
 
The NRA isn't a gun owners organization, it is gun manufacturers lobbyist. They go creepy overboard on making sure it is way easy to buy guns because gun sales is their goal.

Like any political or lobbyist group, the NRA does some good while also being terrible.
 
Where exactly in this thread have people been advocating banning guns outright? People here are questioning why the OP is pissed that he has to fill some more paperwork to own weapon and all of sudden gun owners are all "they want to take our weapons away!" LOL

Go into just about any gun thread on Gaf and it won't take you long to find people spouting the usual "why u still got guns america?" bullshit. Some don't outright say it but it's implied often.

The NRA isn't a gun owners organization, it is gun manufacturers lobbyist. They go creepy overboard on making sure it is way easy to buy guns because gun sales is their goal.

Yep. Doesn't matter what kind of gun you buy, it ALWAYS comes with a "Join the NRA!" leaflet. They're not entirely evil but they've done more harm than good for both gun owners and people who want stricter gun laws.

I can't believe Vermont doesn't even issue a permit for CCW. As I said in the OP even out-of-state residents can conceal carry.

Yeah that's pretty weird haha. I'm pretty sure in Oregon the only out of state CCW that's valid is Utah. For some reason.
 
Go into just about any gun thread on Gaf and it won't take you long to find people spouting the usual "why u still got guns america?" bullshit. Some don't outright say it but it's implied often.

I'm ok with people saying this as a gun owner, I mean I actually can see their point. I just have my own way of seeing things, as does everybody I suppose. It's the passive-aggressive posts that are grating to me.

Like any political or lobbyist group, the NRA does some good while also being terrible.

Like most political groups they try to pander to as many people as possible as opposed to picking a side on an issue and sticking with it.
 
It's no surprise that this, the most rational snd informative post in this thread, is being ignored.

I think some people have a hard time wrapping their head around why hunting is a form of wildlife conservation. Hunting is regulated by the Department of Fish and Wildlife, which exists solely to protect animals and nature.

The hunter's TIP program is a good example of how serious they take it. Basically if you see a poacher and you report them through the TIP service you can be rewarded hundreds of dollars for helpful information that leads to the arrest of a poacher.
 
Many states have such strict restrictions such as Illinois as well. Your only choice if it bothers you so much is to move to a state where there are less restrictions such as Florida or Arizona. Here in Arizona, the run a federal background check but you don't need any kind of permits as long as you don't conceal it.

You won't see much gun love here at GAF I find, which is fine, I don't come here for that anyway. There are many enthusiast forums you can get more information about guns and talk with gun enthusiasts. Just do a quick google search.

That is no longer true. You can conceal carry without a permit in Arizona, you just cannot conceal carry without a permit in anywhere liquor is served.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/elect...00416arizona-concealed-weapons-bill16-ON.html

Link to a pdf
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/arizona.pdf
 
So it is not a federal judge.

And they'll sort this out.
What kind of lawyer are you if you thought a federal judge would get involved?

Moreover, you're not familiar with NJ's pre-trial relief. She was already denied PTI and the Atlantic Prosecutor has denied a Graves Act Waiver.

People who say, "learn the rules" are a joke. PA firearms codes together are less than a dozen pages. NJ firearms codes fill a book a half-inch thick, say nothing of varying county-splits on interpretation and enforcement, and several statutes contradictory or vague on their face (for example, the sentencing guideline mandates a finding as to a "permit to possess" but nowhere in the law is there even such a thing... NJ has permits to purchase and to carry, but not possess).

Asking ordinary citizens to "learn" is paramount to asking them to have law degrees and several years of practice before avoiding pitfalls. Moreover, Ms. Allen's story does not encourage citizens to obey the law, but to circumvent it... had she willfully lied to the police she would have been better off than if she had spent hours pouring over non-resident laws of another state in order to do her best to comply... she may have read the exemption that allows one to possess and transport to "their place of business", thinking it applied to her, only to find out case-law has narrowed interpretation to almost vestigial text.
 
That is no longer true. You can conceal carry without a permit in Arizona, you just cannot conceal carry without a permit in anywhere liquor is served.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/elect...00416arizona-concealed-weapons-bill16-ON.html

Link to a pdf
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/arizona.pdf

How about that. Thanks for the information! It has been a long while since I read the latest gun laws. I keep my gun at home though I don't carry it with me so I tend not to think about it all that much.

Makes things easier though for those that do carry no doubt. On the rare occasion I did have it on me which hasn't been for years, I was always worried about how to carry it or transport it like in a car for example.
 
How about that. Thanks for the information! It has been a long while since I read the latest gun laws. I keep my gun at home though I don't carry it with me so I tend not to think about it all that much.

Makes things easier though for those that do carry no doubt. On the rare occasion I did have it on me which hasn't been for years, I was always worried about how to carry it or transport it like in a car for example.

That's why that particular law makes no sense to me. Conceal carry has a lot of factors to consider and basic laws/safety stuff associated with it that a lot of people wouldn't know about unless they took a class or read a lot about it.
 
On the forth of July weekend, there were a million people shooting off guns in the Rocky mountains. even a sexy woman. It was pretty cool. I personally do not find it to be the funnest thing, but tons of people like it. My friend had his gun, but we never shot it because we were all really drunk.
 
How about that. Thanks for the information! It has been a long while since I read the latest gun laws. I keep my gun at home though I don't carry it with me so I tend not to think about it all that much.

Makes things easier though for those that do carry no doubt. On the rare occasion I did have it on me which hasn't been for years, I was always worried about how to carry it or transport it like in a car for example.

Hello, fellow Arizona Neo-Gaf board member.
 
I live in Jersey too and can agree...we are a "you cant have/do that" State.

Getting a gun is a drawn out task, I just use other peoples guns when we go out :)

Beer and Liqour are a mind boggling sight to see in any store but a liqour store store to me when I leave Jersey.

Pumping gas...NO! Dont touch that handle sir, an attendant will do it.

Fire works?...your kidding right? Not in Jersey we dont trust you to not harm yourself.

We have Medical Marijuana, if you dont mind jumping through 10,000 hoops and having maybe 1 displencery in the whole state.

Even a car is a fiasco. Tint laws, aggressive inspection laws, HUGE insurance rates etc..

The list goes on and on..

Only reason I can fathom that Jersey is so tough is cause we are vastly OVER-POPULATED compared to most states. Our wilderness/non-urban areas are minuscule compared to our neighbors or states with higher populations.
 
That's why that particular law makes no sense to me. Conceal carry has a lot of factors to consider and basic laws/safety stuff associated with it that a lot of people wouldn't know about unless they took a class or read a lot about it.

Yes exactly. Can you have it in your glovebox or is that considered concealed? Can you have it in your trunk or is that concealed? I remember googling the answers to those questions and reading the laws and having a hard time finding the answers. I just always made sure it was in the open and easily visible in case I got pulled over. It would be a relief not to have to worry about such things.
 
Only reason I can fathom that Jersey is so tough is cause we are vastly OVER-POPULATED compared to most states. Our wilderness/non-urban areas are minuscule compared to our neighbors or states with higher populations.

Yeah but it sucks that the laws that are borne out of the basically NYC suburbs of Bergen/Essex/Hudson affects those of us that DO live in the state's rural areas. I may as well be in Vermont where I'm at.
 
Where exactly in this thread have people been advocating banning guns outright? People here are questioning why the OP is pissed that he has to fill some more paperwork to own weapon and all of sudden gun owners are all "they want to take our weapons away!" LOL

For the record I hate guns. All of them. I have, and will continue, to make the argument for an outright ban on all guns, and recending of the 2nd amendment.

Yes, it's all but impossible. But I believe the people of this country will wake up to the belief that guns have no place among civilians is this society.
 
California is kind of annoying with all the other extra laws they're trying to pass, but it's definitely not the worst state. NJ and NY are pretty strict, I think.
 
What kind of lawyer are you if you thought a federal judge would get involved?

Moreover, you're not familiar with NJ's pre-trial relief. She was already denied PTI and the Atlantic Prosecutor has denied a Graves Act Waiver.

People who say, "learn the rules" are a joke. PA firearms codes together are less than a dozen pages. NJ firearms codes fill a book a half-inch thick, say nothing of varying county-splits on interpretation and enforcement, and several statutes contradictory or vague on their face (for example, the sentencing guideline mandates a finding as to a "permit to possess" but nowhere in the law is there even such a thing... NJ has permits to purchase and to carry, but not possess).

Asking ordinary citizens to "learn" is paramount to asking them to have law degrees and several years of practice before avoiding pitfalls. Moreover, Ms. Allen's story does not encourage citizens to obey the law, but to circumvent it... had she willfully lied to the police she would have been better off than if she had spent hours pouring over non-resident laws of another state in order to do her best to comply... she may have read the exemption that allows one to possess and transport to "their place of business", thinking it applied to her, only to find out case-law has narrowed interpretation to almost vestigial text.
You said federal law. But federal law was not directly involved.

She doesn't need to a book of laws, she just needs to learn not to bring her gun to jersey.

Lying might have got her into more trouble.
 
In NJ also to get a CCW license you need to..

"Have a justifiable cause"

Basically it cant be for self-protection unless you can convince them your a target of some kind.
To sum it up, if your not ex or current law enforcement (or have connections). ..good luck! it ain't happening.

You have to transport your weapons according to the strict rules of weapon/ammo separate and gun unable to be accessed by you/passenger also.

To be honest..I would be to scared of going to jail to even use a gun in NJ for self or home defense. Chances are you could save your whole family and end up in jail the next day.
 
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