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What the hell happened To Ubisoft?
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Did you read the openingpost?Crayon said:
Except for Shaun White, there isn't one decent game. Not even one. Yves Guillemot did say a while ago that the Tom Clancy games will be hitting Wii (for those interested) but seriously, I want my Prince of Persia Wii
And not a shitty The Two Thrones port. And Guillemot can't be trusted, he promised "Nintendo-like" quality. :lolEA is just trying to hit a different market. They still make average to good games on the wii. Bloom Blox is not for the frat boy crowd but it's still a good gameokrim said:
Ubisoft isn't even trying to make compelling content. That the difference It's not a question of consumer base becuase this always happens to the console leader, regardless of how much of a "big boy console" it is. It's just weird seeing Ubisoft not try and flood the market with crap hoping to rise on it's sales.
That's een option, the 8 vs. 8 mode.okrim said:
But, EA is trying something. They made their stinkers (EA Playground, Ninja Reflex) but, they also had some nice games. Boom Blox, SSX Blur, the Godfather port. The Sports games are becoming better every year. At Ubisoft, there is no progression in their casual line-up either.
yurinka
Member
Quoting for true.Cheesemeister said:Just circling the drain at this point.
For sure games like POP, Assasins Creed, Beyond Good and Evil 2 etc are or will be great.
But their DS/Wii garbage is embarassing. They must stop POOPing the library of these consoles. They confused casual with garbage, and it isn't the same.
I have a friend who bought Dolphinz to his girlfriend's little sister. She loved Nintendogs, and he expecter this little girl would love the game because she loves dolphins. He remembered Ubisoft as a great company, so he just bought the game. When they played the game they felt stolen.
Other companies just don't release games on the console, whereas Ubi just throws a ton of blatantly horrible shovelware on it to make a few extra bucks. I'd say Ubi's strategy is worse; whereas other companies are saying, "We don't want to devote time and resources to making games for this one console instead of its two competitors, and the difference in power is too large to port it down," - which is perfectly understandable - Ubisoft is saying, "We think Wii owners are retards and will buy this shit."okrim said:
On top of that, I think it's very unprofessional for any game company to put out heaps of shovelware to try to make a few extra bucks, regardless of what console it's on, especially when
they're known for putting out high quality products.
And you have what the OP talks about: Ubi was the first big company to come out and say, "We are going to put a lot of support behind the Wii," and Red Steel was going to be its big exclusive title. Then Red Steel came out and didn't meet expectations, and they said, "Yeah, we know Red Steel was less than we promised, but it was rushed for launch. Our next batch of games will be better, we promise!" And then their next batch of games was Babyz and Petz.
oh ha ha you meant on Wii
Ubisoft is so awesome. Currently I'm looking forward to their next sure to be fuck incredible games, Far Cry 2 (PC/PS360) and Prince of Persia (PS360).
If you're a Wii-only owner, it's not like you're being left out. They're making this:
Doncha just love them raving rabbids?
Ubisoft is so awesome. Currently I'm looking forward to their next sure to be fuck incredible games, Far Cry 2 (PC/PS360) and Prince of Persia (PS360).
If you're a Wii-only owner, it's not like you're being left out. They're making this:
Doncha just love them raving rabbids?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Ubi is too busy saving HD gaming to care.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
Here's an answer: Money.
Here's a question: Which would you rather have? Party Babyz or a watered down (to the point of looking like a first-gen PS2 title) version of, say, GRAW or Assassins Creed?
Ubisoft is in a position where nothing they do on the Wii will ever be good. Doing a Wii port of FarCry 2 isn't going to be like the time they put Splinter Cell on the PS2. Consider what most developers do with the Wii hardware and then look at the games Ubisoft is doing.
Games like The Conduit show that very few developers are willing to even scratch the surface of what the Wii can do, instead opting for the lowest common denominator in terms of graphics, physics, AI, etc. We went from the Gamecube being able to do sort of alright graphics to most Wii software looking like an ancient relic from 2002.
Would you really want to be tempted by smeary, gross looking version of Prince of Persia? Even worse, think of what Ubisoft's doing on the DS and apply that to the Wii. Creepy Playskool Prince of Persia.
Honestly, I think you're better off with them producing software you know you don't want.
Here's a question: Which would you rather have? Party Babyz or a watered down (to the point of looking like a first-gen PS2 title) version of, say, GRAW or Assassins Creed?
Ubisoft is in a position where nothing they do on the Wii will ever be good. Doing a Wii port of FarCry 2 isn't going to be like the time they put Splinter Cell on the PS2. Consider what most developers do with the Wii hardware and then look at the games Ubisoft is doing.
Games like The Conduit show that very few developers are willing to even scratch the surface of what the Wii can do, instead opting for the lowest common denominator in terms of graphics, physics, AI, etc. We went from the Gamecube being able to do sort of alright graphics to most Wii software looking like an ancient relic from 2002.
Would you really want to be tempted by smeary, gross looking version of Prince of Persia? Even worse, think of what Ubisoft's doing on the DS and apply that to the Wii. Creepy Playskool Prince of Persia.
Honestly, I think you're better off with them producing software you know you don't want.
Link
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Swing and a miss.Rewrite said:
http://newlevelgaming.blog-city.com/ubisofts_wii_games_are_not_selling.htm
RockmanWhore
Member
Just wait for Red Steel 2!
Haunted
Member
I love their games on the PC.
I don't like their games on Wii.
Still, looking at the three or four PC games they've got in the pipeline I'm interested in, their Nintendo lineup simply can't compare.
I don't like their games on Wii.
Ah, good point. Their only Wii game I'm really looking forward to. Going to be tons of fun.Amirox said:They're making this:
Doncha just love them raving rabbids?
Still, looking at the three or four PC games they've got in the pipeline I'm interested in, their Nintendo lineup simply can't compare.
I'm pretty sure they pulled a reverse EA.
EA was the worst publisher. Publishing poor games left and right, underpaying their employees and just being bad overall.
Now, in 2008, they came around. They started releasing better, good games and stopped being such an ass.
Ubisoft, on the other hand, released good games for all consoles. They would crunch their code and make Xbox released games run pretty much the same on the PS2 with it's memory limitations (I'm talking about the Splinter Cell series). They revived one of the greatest brands in videogame (Prince of Persia) and etc.
Now, they're just releasing shovelware on wii and games that are only a shadow of their former versions.
But yeah, i'm mostly talking out of my ass...
EA was the worst publisher. Publishing poor games left and right, underpaying their employees and just being bad overall.
Now, in 2008, they came around. They started releasing better, good games and stopped being such an ass.
Ubisoft, on the other hand, released good games for all consoles. They would crunch their code and make Xbox released games run pretty much the same on the PS2 with it's memory limitations (I'm talking about the Splinter Cell series). They revived one of the greatest brands in videogame (Prince of Persia) and etc.
Now, they're just releasing shovelware on wii and games that are only a shadow of their former versions.
But yeah, i'm mostly talking out of my ass...
schuelma said:
Yea, there are a lot of good games coming out of Japan. I think at this point it's just not as big a deal as it was a year ago because the quality Wii games are starting to roll in and Ubisoft is becoming less and less relevant.
The only one I'm interested in really be Red Steel 2 and it's still up for debate on whether or not they have the talent to pull off good Wii controls.
I know. But if someone wanted to play epic hardcore games, then I think he'd already get it that he should have 360 or PS3, so he'll play BG&E2, potentially great game from Ubisoft. Of course, in ideal world all companies should treat casual gamers with respect and offer them quality games like Nintendo does. But it's not surprising to me that game publishers are cynical about non-informed people and throw cheap lackluster software at them. It's the same with books and movies and other entertainment industries, all these stinkers on storeshelves and in cinemas are there to suck money out of people who don't follow these industries.B-Rad Lascelle said:That`s not a Wii game.
Haunted
Member
Then again, a company who has an ace like Ancel within their lines should be at the very top of the pile. They've grossly mishandled him in the past, glad he's getting to make his pet project now.
Since our shouts of "Free Ancel!" have finally been heard, it's time for our next warcry - "Free Yu Suzuki!"
Since our shouts of "Free Ancel!" have finally been heard, it's time for our next warcry - "Free Yu Suzuki!"
tsk tsk, I disagree.szaromir said:
Forgetting the PC gets you put on the list! 
freddy said:
Yup. I had my little meltdown after Ubidays, but I don't really care anymore- enough 3rd parties are stepping up to the plate that I kind of forgot about Ubisoft being terrible on the Wii until this thread.
Just passing to tell you guys that Shaun White Snow on Wii is not a bullshit title but a nice Montreal develloped title. THERE IS care in this game.
That is all. I won't formulate an opinion on the other stuff though. I'm not supposed to post my opinions on Ubi games to begin with...
That is all. I won't formulate an opinion on the other stuff though. I'm not supposed to post my opinions on Ubi games to begin with...
Ubisoft has: I am Alive, Far Cry 2, Beyond Good and Evil 2, Prince of Persia and various Clancy games that you may like depending on your preferences.
All kidding aside, not every developer has to put in effort on a specific platform and you don't have to support them when you don't. But don't get bitter about it. You know what they're making and where their focus is, so buy a platform that has the games you want.
All kidding aside, not every developer has to put in effort on a specific platform and you don't have to support them when you don't. But don't get bitter about it. You know what they're making and where their focus is, so buy a platform that has the games you want.
.I didn't mean to disrespect PC, it's a great machine for hardcore gamer as well (especially since the 3 platforms share majority of games anyway), but I don't think listing it or not was essential to my point.Haunted said:tsk tsk, I disagree.
Forgetting the PC gets you put on the list!
Shockgamer said:
What kind of Bullshit attitude is this? It's not ALL about graphics you know. The Wii console can do a LOT of things that neither the HD consoles can do, you know, creative gameplay kind of things, and not only that but it could help their bottom line as developing costs are generally cheaper on Wii. Not to mention, there are MILLIONS of Wii core owners would would be potential customers. Also, as we have seen by last gen standards, the Wii is more than capable of pulling off acceptable, beautiful graphics. Look at Monster Hunter 3, or RE4, those games are good looking games. It is only Lazy developers with limited budgets that make bad looking games, which, unfortunately there seems to be a lot of, moreso than there ever were during the PS2/GC era.
This is just bad business, b/c Ubisoft themselves publicly announced that the kinds of games they were putting on Wii were shit and not making them much money, and what do they do? Continue releasing the SAME bad games. Like I said, it's not about graphics, as we have seen with Wii sales dominating every month. It is about Ubisoft (for whatever reasons) intentionally not trying to develop any games for the Wii core audience, which IS there.
Just take a look at how Capcom is handling Monster Hunter 3 (probably one of THE most hardcore games on the console market) and it is plain to see that there is a business there. There are profits and gains to be made....and as I said before, the game is gorgeous.
Bizzyb said:
Well, you have to give that some context.
For Ubisoft's big franchises,there is already a platform where those type of games have proved very successful- 360/PS3/PC.
For a franchise like Monster Hunter, which so far has appealed strictly to Japan, the only realistic console option to reach the widest possible audience is the Wii.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
a reason to be a multiconsole owner, guys. not every developer is going to do great, good, or even competent stuff on wii, sadly. owning something besides a wii really changes the way you look at the entire gaming landscape: ubisoft is great because i own a console on which they're developing prince of persia and bg&e 2. how can i criticize ubisoft? they're giving me exactly what i want. they're practically my best buddy at this point.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
I had no idea BG&E2 media had been released!!!
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Bizzyb said:
The difference between UbiSoft and a company like Capcom (or Namco, or Square Enix) is that UbiSoft doesn't need the Japanese market to survive. Sure Monster Hunter is a good-looking game, but in a company like UbiSoft's frame of mind, the graphical tradeoff isn't worth it. Even at Capcom, the creators of RE5 have said the lighting system is part of the gameplay, and couldn't be done on Wii. They could have made Prince of Persia for Wii, but it wouldn't look nearly as good as it does now, and the designers are obviously very proud of what they have achieved.
If you look at a game like Far Cry, Assassin's Creed, or each iteration of Splinter Cell, the gameplay is in fact tied to the advance in technology. There are a lot of things going on in these games that couldn't be done in previous generations, or on Wii in the present.
So even if they could squeeze every ounce of power they could out of the Wii, they'd be holding themselves back from making the games they want to make, and that wouldn't be good for gamers at large.
schuelma said:
So why didn't Capcom make RE5 for Wii? RE games already had proven success on Nintendo's consoles. RE4 a 2 yr old port sold 1 million copies.
The point is, there is a market for core gamers on Wii, and the Wii is very capable of delivering beautiful graphics. It's just a matter of which developer decides to acknowledge those facts and do something about it
JudgeN said:
B/c a lot of people seem to use graphics as the best example when comparing differences between Wii and HD consoles. I'm only responding to what was said. And I used RE4 b/c even though it is a 2 yr old game it still looks better than most software on the system, that's considering that with Wii, the graphics could look even better than what Capcom did with RE4
RE games do fantastic regardless of platform. Did well on Saturn, N64, PSOne, Gamecube, Wii, PS2, Dreamcast. List goes on. Resident Evil doing well on Wii did not prove that RE5 should go there instead of the alternative. They decided PS360 was the best route to go with the plans they had in mind for the RE5. Mainly, a heavy focus on online co-op, and an intense visceral and visually-driven experience. Whether or not you feel Wii can do good visuals is beside the point, because it can't even approach PS360 and the level of geometry and scene complexity and enemies on screen and ETCETERA. Some games simply work better on these platforms.
Which isn't to say you won't get RE5 in some form, so just be patient.
Which isn't to say you won't get RE5 in some form, so just be patient.
dragonlife
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT THE FUUUUUCK????Nabs said:
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