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[Hero_of_the_Day]

Samsung's upscaling is icnredible. 1080p content in my tv looks way better than it did in my 1080p tv.

Without a doubt. I haven't noticed anything off about 1080p content. Shit looks amazing.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

1080p upscaled to 4K can look fantastic with a good upscaler, better than on a native display even.

True, 1080p is amazing on my Vizio P55-C1, I was even able to increase sharpness with out adding any visible artifacts, like ringing or halo.

 

[MazeHaze]

I owned the sony 850d for two weeks and really found the picture to be lacking, it literally can't display black at all, just dark grey.

Moved on to the ks8000, I love it, stunning picture.

Buddy owns the vizio p 65 and it is great too, better blacks than the ks8000, but I find the picture to be dull compared to the samsung.

 

[Theonik]

Well that is why I am leaning on getting the LG as it supports both formats and whatever happens I am covered.

That won't help you much if say HDR10 gets changed. And current HDR sets aren't future proof either way especially LG OLED.

You'll regret it either way if you want to keep these sets long term.

 

[Impulsor]

1080p gaming on my Samsung looks insanely good. I have an Xbox One S and you have to turn it into 1080p mode when gaming because the built in upscaler on my Samsung JS7000 is much much muuuuuch better than the built in upscaler on the Xbox One S.

PS4 games scale fantastically on this TV as well. They looks much better and more crisp than on my 1080p tv.

exactly, I prefeer the TV scaler rather than the xbox one S scaler, it looks better.

 

[Darryl M R]

I owned the sony 850d for two weeks and really found the picture to be lacking, it literally can't display black at all, just dark grey.

Moved on to the ks8000, I love it, stunning picture.

Buddy owns the vizio p 65 and it is great too, better blacks than the ks8000, but I find the picture to be dull compared to the samsung.

Ugh I wish the samsung ks8000 came in a different aesthetic. GAF is really saying great things about this model. I'm looking into it, unless Samsung is releasing a tv with hdmi 2.1 this year

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

Are all HDRs 4k?

Im asssuming no, but id like to pick up an HDR 1080p tv soon. Any semi cheap ones in Canada? I can not afford a 2k tv.

 

[Impulsor]

Ugh I wish the samsung ks8000 came in a different aesthetic. GAF is really saying great things about this model. I'm looking into it, unless Samsung is releasing a tv with hdmi 2.1 this year

See below:

It is not clear whether HDMI 2.1 is a hardware or firmware upgrade. However, Samsung confirmed to Display Daily that it will push out a firmware upgrade for its current TVs later this year to enable dynamic metadata for HDR. It is unclear if this update will apply only to 2016 models or if 2015 models will receive an update, too
Read more at http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1463138030#ewxcGccl46K9cA4d.99

 

[Darryl M R]

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1463138030

Well it seems like the 2016 models will be set for it! Thanks, now figuring out when I would want to buy. Christmas should have some decent deals

 

[Theonik]

Are all HDRs 4k?

Im asssuming no, but id like to pick up an HDR 1080p tv soon. Any semi cheap ones in Canada? I can not afford a 2k tv.

HDR is only on higher end sets at the moment and no-one makes those in 1080p now. 1080p TV's are on the way out.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

HDR is only on higher end sets at the moment and no-one makes those in 1080p now. 1080p TV's are on the way out.

Shit. So like..2016/2017??
Also how would 1080p look on 4k? Really bad?

 

[Fou-Lu]

I am still using a Panasonic 720p Plasma because of how expensive TVs are in Canada... One day...

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

See below:

Not surprising considering Samsung had a dynamic metadata demo at CES.

 

[Impulsor]

Shit. So like..2016/2017??
Also how would 1080p look on 4k? Really bad?

Nope, to the contrary, 1080p looks way better in a 4k tv, if it has a good scaler.

REad the top of the page.

 

[Theonik]

Shit. So like..2016/2017??
Also how would 1080p look on 4k? Really bad?

I should clarify, major brands don't make high end 1080p and are eithe keeping older models around or slowly relegating them to low-end models until they become displaced by cheap 4k

 

[Future PhaZe]

one thing that's concerning about the KS8000 is the local dimming appears to be shit

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000

It has a pretty stunning score of 3.5 compared to an 8+ rating for the Vizio P.

What this could mean in real terms:

I found the Samsung's upscaling overrated. Being my first 65" and first 4k I didn't know what to expect, but wasn't really impressed and I can't tell a difference between the two in that regard. Now if I could have compared them at the same time I may have been able to tell if one was slightly better than the other. But either way, I didn't spend $2k on a 4k TV to obsess over 720p/1080i cable.

The reason I returned the KS was due to light bleed (minor) and blooming (not minor). If I had to guess there's maybe 10 to 12 (if that) big vertical dimming zones. On some content, especially HDR the blooming could get quite bad, enough to extend into the black bars. When I booted up my PS4 the logo screen showed some of the worst blooming I have ever seen. Now I don't want to give the wrong impression, it has a great picture, but when I watched movies at night it was very bothersome and distracting. Even my wife, who I come home to watching the SD channels instead of HD and says she doesn't care, noticed the blooming.
The Vizio shows no noticeable blooming, even in pitch black. That alone is enough for me to recommend it over the KS.

HDR on both sets is stunning, I would have given the edge to the Samsung, but that was before I watched the Dolby Vision version of Pacific Rim. There was no HDR 10 version to compare at the time but I was utterly blown away by the colors, contrast, and overall intensity of the picture during the battles. Nothing I watched on the KS looked as good.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater/comments/4vo904/official_vizio_p_vs_samsung_ks8000_megapost/

 

[Cyriades]

With all this talk of 4k and hdr etc its has me looking at tvs what do you guys think is a good tv to get going forward and list your own with pictures if you have one

Sony

43" XBR43X800D

Samsung

40" UN40KU7000

Best priced.

 

[Impulsor]

one thing that's concerning about the KS8000 is the local dimming appears to be shit

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000

It has a pretty stunning score of 3.5 compared to an 8+ rating for the Vizio P.

What this could mean in real terms:



https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater/comments/4vo904/official_vizio_p_vs_samsung_ks8000_megapost/

This is because it is edge lit and has no physical local dimming like a LED backlight array that turns on and off depending on the zone that needs to be lighted, so the samsung actually lights stuff "in bands" if you will.

Sometimes you can see the "band" of light and the rest of the screen darker, how ever, this, at least in my case, is not bad at all, as in I barely notice it at all.

Otherwise the tv is spectacular.

 

[Raptor]

one thing that's concerning about the KS8000 is the local dimming appears to be shit

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000

It has a pretty stunning score of 3.5 compared to an 8+ rating for the Vizio P.

What this could mean in real terms:



https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater/comments/4vo904/official_vizio_p_vs_samsung_ks8000_megapost/

P Series > KS8000 then.

If only by a little but it has the edge.

 

[RealityCheque]

So from what I'm reading, HDR is an absolute waste of time for gaming outside of 1 or 2 very expensive sets? And the wait for more affordable TVs without crippling input lag could go well into next year or even beyond?

"Great".

 

[Raptor]

It seems the P Series is very good at that price but avoid the 55" one because it has an IPS panel instead of a VA, they said is not as good I think?

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

 

[Cyriades]

So from what I'm reading, HDR is an absolute waste of time for gaming outside of 1 or 2 very expensive sets? And the wait for more affordable TVs without crippling input lag could go well into next year or even beyond?

"Great".

With HDR on input lag 24.7ms Samsung UN40KU7000

With HDR on input lag 33.3ms Sony XBR43X800D

Most people will not notice under 50 ms of input lag while more competitive gamers should look for a TV that can do below 40ms. Almost everyone will also find anything over 100 ms terrible to play with.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

 

[War Eagle]

Does anyone know the HDR input lag on the Vizio P-series? Particularly the 65" model? How would, let's say, a PS4 Pro running at 4K with HDR on look? Would it be as amazing as the guy from Digital Foundry was gushing about in their recent video?

 

[MazeHaze]

P Series > KS8000 then.

If only by a little but it has the edge.

Not really, both sets have pros and cons honestly. Vizio p cant do hdr gaming under 60 ms for example. Also it has better blacks due to the dimming, but I still find the ks8000 to have a better picture. Watched a lot of content/games on both sets.

 

[TetraGenesis]

That's too bad. I guess I'll have to wait until the 4k sets become more affordable.

That was exactly my question and exactly my response. Bummer.

I don't really care about 4k right now but I would love better colors.

 

[Future PhaZe]

P Series > KS8000 then.

If only by a little but it has the edge.

P series would be the winner if the HDR input lag wasn't so awful

To be fair I don't think it'll be a huge issue gaming wise (KS8000) in HDR because you're not going to have the black bars you would with certain UHD films which emulate the movie theater aspect ratio.

I'll probably end up going with the KS8000, but it's something I'm looking into more

 

[RealityCheque]

With HDR on input lag 24.7ms Samsung UN40KU7000

With HDR on input lag 33.3ms Sony XBR43X800D



http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

Less worrying. No plans to upgrade my 1080 set for at least another year so hopefully there'll be plenty of additional choices by then.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

It seems the P Series is very good at that price but avoid the 55" one because it has an IPS panel instead of a VA, they said is not as good I think?

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

I have the 55 inch and being 126 zone FALD display it outshines LG IPS displays. Black bars are not as black as VA panels in a comletely room. The local dimming does the job and very well I might add, and even better with bias lighting.

 

[Raptor]

Not really, both sets have pros and cons honestly. Vizio p cant do hdr gaming under 60 ms for example. Also it has better blacks due to the dimming, but I still find the ks8000 to have a better picture. Watched a lot of content/games on both sets.

P series would be the winner if the HDR input lag wasn't so awful

To be fair I don't think it'll be a huge issue gaming wise (KS8000) in HDR because you're not going to have the black bars you would with certain UHD films which emulate the movie theater aspect ratio.

I'll probably end up going with the KS8000, but it's something I'm looking into more

Jeez, deciding what to buy is a pain lol.

Still reading and reading and waiting to finally have a clear choice.

 

[ViciousDS]

With HDR on input lag 24.7ms Samsung UN40KU7000

With HDR on input lag 33.3ms Sony XBR43X800D



http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

that quote is complete BULL


My vizio is 36ms in game and its a fucking joke playing competitively with it. Absolutely terrible for call of duty, or any shooter.

If I remember correctly 16ms is roughly 1 frame of delay at 60hz, meaning you would be missing over 2 frames of response on the sony. It's pretty noticeable, tolerable yes......but competitive you want probably 20 or lower

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

that quote is complete BULL


My vizio is 36ms in game and its a fucking joke playing competitively with it. Absolutely terrible for call of duty, or any shooter.

If I remember correctly 16ms is roughly 1 frame of delay at 60hz, meaning you would be missing over 2 frames of response on the sony. It's pretty noticeable, tolerable yes......but competitive you want probably 20 or lower

Is that on HDMI 5 with GLL on, or do you have a older model?

Because the 2016 P Series is 17ms on HDMI 5 with GLL on.

 

[Drillary Clinton]

As stated the KS8000 is the best bang for your buck. A premium TV for a middle tier price. Much better than the Sony 850D which is in the same price bracket.

The Sony 930D has better black levels by slightly worse input lag if you're ok paying a little more

 

[ViciousDS]

Is that on HDMI 5 with GLL on, or do you have a older model?

Because the 2016 P Series is 17ms on HDMI 5 with GLL on.

It's the E601i-A3, 31ms for correction lol


Also the P series only hits those with HDR OFF

meaning its useless for Pro use.

HDMI HDR GLL ALED Input Lag (ms)
1 HDR On On 65.2
1 HDR On Off 62.1
1 HDR Off On 157.2
1 HDR Off Off 154.5
1 SDR On On 38.0
1 SDR On Off 37.2
1 SDR Off On 113.0
1 SDR Off Off 112.4
5 SDR On On 19.7
5 SDR On Off 19.1
5 SDR Off On 94.6
5 SDR Off Off 94.3

unless they have a typo in there, seems like HDR is only usable via input 1

 

[Cyriades]

Is that on HDMI 5 with GLL on, or do you have a older model?

Because the 2016 P Series is 17ms on HDMI 5 with GLL on.

Not when HDR is enable

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Samsung's upscaling is icnredible. 1080p content in my tv looks way better than it did in my 1080p tv.

1080p is also exactly a quarter of the resolution of 4k soy the scaling is perfect.

Correct me if I'm wrogn though.

1080p upscaled to 4K can look fantastic with a good upscaler, better than on a native display even.

Yes the Samsung upscaler is very good. Sadly if you disable all those bells and whistles like when enabling game mode for the best input lag situation, the quality gets a massive hit and the picture looks blurry grainy and with the nosie effect I explained. Many 1080p don't suffer that much on a 4K TV but many others suffer so much especially if they weren't conceived to run on such screens like P.T, Infamous Second Son (that is why it is getting a PS4 Pro treatment), Outlast etc.. and many indie games.
I made a thread about it few months ago.

 

[Cyriades]

With HDR on input lag 24.7ms Samsung UN40KU7000

With HDR on input lag 33.3ms Sony XBR43X800D

Most people will not notice under 50 ms of input lag while more competitive gamers should look for a TV that can do below 40ms. Almost everyone will also find anything over 100 ms terrible to play with.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag

that quote is complete BULL


My vizio is 36ms in game and its a fucking joke playing competitively with it. Absolutely terrible for call of duty, or any shooter.

If I remember correctly 16ms is roughly 1 frame of delay at 60hz, meaning you would be missing over 2 frames of response on the sony. It's pretty noticeable, tolerable yes......but competitive you want probably 20 or lower

Be that as a may.. these input lag times are some of the best on HDR displays.. better than your Vizio at 36ms with no HDR I might add.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

It's the E601i-A3, 31ms for correction lol


Also the P series only hits those with HDR OFF

meaning its useless for Pro use.







unless they have a typo in there, seems like HDR is only usable via input 1

Yeah, HDMI 5 is not capable of doing HDR currently, it's not connected to the SOC that decodes HDR metadata.

I also wonder if those lag numbers are with local dimming on and if we should expect HDR Gaming to use local dimming.

I'm not surprised a edge lit display would have low latency HDR, there isn't any major local dimming processing going on.

And no PWM, (backlight strobing).

 

[ViciousDS]

Be that as a may.. these input lag times are some of the best on HDR displays.. better than your Vizio at 36ms with no HDR I might add.

why upgrade from something thats bad to another thats......bad for gaming lol

 

[Magic Mushroom]

Decided to stick to 1080p for the time being. Pro will offer nice improvements for that. Let's see how much of an improvement the 2017 4K models will bring.

 

[ViciousDS]

Decided to stick to 1080p for the time being. Pro will offer nice improvements for that. Let's see how much of an improvement the 2017 4K models will bring.

I think thats where I'm at unless the KS8000 drops for black friday to like $700

 

[Devil]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D98AQ30/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2AS1C3KAWCEVN&coliid=I3KUQ1LVY83G5X&psc=1

The Samsung UN49KS8000

or the less expensive https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FWIEO2E/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2AS1C3KAWCEVN&coliid=I3995H33CGL3J7&psc=1

Sony XBR43X800D

What model does that Samsung compare to in Europe? Seems like that one is not available here.

 

[finalflame]

What model does that Samsung compare to in Europe? Seems like that one is not available here.

In Europe, the KS8000 is the KS7000, and the US KS9000 is the KS8000.

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/tv-audio-video/televisions/quantum-dot-display/UE65KS7000UXXU

 

[killroy87]

Regarding the Vizio P-Series (and 4K HDR sets in general, I suppose):

Regarding input lag, I'm not a pro gamer. I just want to make sure the games feel good. I'm not going to be playing competitive MP shooters to the point that I'll blame an extra 10 ms of lag on my performance. However, my current 1080p TV, I can definitely notice when Game Mode is turned off. It's a noticeable and terrible lag.

So, I'm getting a bit confused, specifically around the idea that input lag differs depending on which modes are on, and which HDMI inputs allow which modes (a problem that I find kind of hilarious).

So, I have a PS4 (soon PS4 Pro), Xbone S, Wii U, and PC (that I use to game, watch movies, and a ton of other stuff. heavy use), all of which I'll connect to my hypothetical Vizio P-series TV. Assuming I'd like the ability to watch 4K Blu-rays on my One S, and I'd like to best maximize the potential of each platform with as little sacrifice as possible in the input lag department, how the hell do I set this TV up?

 

[Decado]

P series would be the winner if the HDR input lag wasn't so awful

To be fair I don't think it'll be a huge issue gaming wise (KS8000) in HDR because you're not going to have the black bars you would with certain UHD films which emulate the movie theater aspect ratio.

I'll probably end up going with the KS8000, but it's something I'm looking into more

I wonder if there is a chance vizio will do a firmware update to allow hdr in game mode? And support the new hdr10 feature coming up (mentioned in this thread).

 

[killroy87]

I wonder if there is a chance vizio will do a firmware update to allow hdr in game mode? And support the new hdr10 feature coming up (mentioned in this thread).

Hasn't it been confirmed that the P-series already supports HDR10 following a firmware update?

 

[dcx4610]

I bought the Samsung KS8000 and really like it. Deep black levels, super bright, great upscaling and almost zero backlight bleed. The only negative is all of the ports are on an external box instead of the TV and if you watch movies and like separate settings from your gaming, you have to go through multiple menus to enable and disable game mode. Very annoying.

 

[Sleeping Lesson]

I wonder if there is a chance vizio will do a firmware update to allow hdr in game mode? And support the new hdr10 feature coming up (mentioned in this thread).

The Vizio P-series support HDR in game mode. Latency is in the 60s. They also support HDR10, although I'm not about new HDR features going forward.

 

[SeeNoWeevil]

As far as I'm aware, there are no reliable latency figures for 4K HDR output anywhere. I really wouldn't a buy screen now.

 

[Daffy Duck]

Why is buying a TV so god damn hard?

It's like the Wild West.

 

[Muzicfreq]

I'll just stick with my 16ms~ 1080p panel.
Seeing that 65ms+ on that vizio makes me kinda ill