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Whats a good HDR TV?

michaelius said:
Remember that DF made their article when Samsung TVs couldn't use hdr in game mode.

Few days ago Samsung released firmware update which made them lowest input lag hdr gaming sets (<25ms).
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Not to sound like a broken record since I know I keep bringing this up, but I think we need to confirm if that number holds for 4k HDR and not just 1080p HDR. If it's worse for 4k HDR we need to know how much worse.
 
Am I right in assuming most people with HDR capable TVs are not able to do surround sound since their AVR does not support it? Lets say you buy a PS4 Pro and you have an HDR TV, you have to plug the PS4 HDMI directly to the TV otherwise you plug it in the AVR and get 5.1/7.1 but no HDR?

Not many people are talking about this, but I'm trying to buy an AVR and don't want to have to choose between HDR and surround sound. Nor do I want to spend $2000 on an AVR.

Unless the PS4 Pro had an HDMI Audio out, that would be ballin.
 
Just picked up a XBR-49X800D, sit pretty close so should good screen size (replacing a 48"). Going to setup tomorrow, have one 4KHDR bluray to test it on (BvS) and cant wait to try some Forza to test out the HDR.
 
jeffc919 said:
Not to sound like a broken record since I know I keep bringing this up, but I think we need to confirm if that number holds for 4k HDR and not just 1080p HDR. If it's worse for 4k HDR we need to know how much worse.
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From what I remember from [H]ardOcp thread about Samsung 2015 models input lag went like this 1080p (the one measured by leo bondar) < input lag in 4K with non 4:4:4 chroma < input lag with 4K pc signal with 4:4:4 (which was around 40ms)

so I'd guess yes

Also I found some info that so far Samsung upgraded only KS8000 and KS7000 is still waiting
 
So I went by Best Buy and looked at the 65KS8000 and the Vizio P-series we've been comparing so much. The demos they play to "show off" those TVs are teeeeerrible.

Unfortunately KS8000 had the sharpness set waaaaaay too high, so it looked like shit. There was a reasonably-calibrated KS8500 though, and of course that look fantastic. I don't think the blooming is going to be an issue at all. Vizio looked fucking great as well, although I know it shines in lowlight conditions, which obviously I couldn't test.

Both are great sets, I'll be going with the Samsung. Wish I could have seen a better demo of HDR, though. The "comparisons" in the demo were clearly bullshit simulations.
 
Cardon said:
This whole 4K HDR TV shopping situation is giving me legit anxiety. Like damn, I just want to find a good future proof gaming TV that doesn't have 120ms or cost $1.5K at the moment.
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Its really hard to wait it out but that is my advice to people. I think the 2017 and especially the 2018 sets will be perfect at a better price. The current sets are right there but there are still thing coming with yet another version of HDMI.
 
Aztechnology said:
I'm honestly just curious as to how it's stacking up at this point for HDR gaming. Yea 60ms is too much for myself. It has to be near one frame, two frames I can deal with. That would bother me. I'm not really planning on buying another TV for a while yet. Hopefully an OLED one in a few years. Or of Vizio's 2017 P series gets that number down considerably I'd be interested. My must haves are

-50"
-4K Full HDR
-120hz+ native panel with support at least at 1080p for 120hz.
-VA or OLED
-supports 4:4:4 chroma subsambling at both 1080/4k.
-$1000 or less prior to taxes

I'm probably going to be waiting a while for that.
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Thats probably my future set at least in the office.
 
Lion Heart said:
Am I right in assuming most people with HDR capable TVs are not able to do surround sound since their AVR does not support it? Lets say you buy a PS4 Pro and you have an HDR TV, you have to plug the PS4 HDMI directly to the TV otherwise you plug it in the AVR and get 5.1/7.1 but no HDR?

Not many people are talking about this, but I'm trying to buy an AVR and don't want to have to choose between HDR and surround sound. Nor do I want to spend $2000 on an AVR.

Unless the PS4 Pro had an HDMI Audio out, that would be ballin.
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Last year I bought an Onkyo AVR only for Dolby Atmos, but it is "only" 4k compatible and of course can´t do HDR, so I want to go for the HDCP 2.2 and HDR capable Denon AVRX1200WBKE2 (Germany) next, which is highly praised in forums and "only" costs about 350€.

But by the time I finally decide which TV to buy, there surely will be other AVRs on the market. :D
 
Decado said:
Didn't someone post a tweet saying that Samsung will upgrade the ks9/8 series to support this?
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it will be supported, be he said it will be released soon. The release date is what i am asking about. How soon? Anyways if you know the link to the samsung tweet, please let me know. Thanks
 
Sleeping Lesson said:
So I went by Best Buy and looked at the 65KS8000 and the Vizio P-series we've been comparing so much. The demos they play to "show off" those TVs are teeeeerrible.

Unfortunately KS8000 had the sharpness set waaaaaay too high, so it looked like shit. There was a reasonably-calibrated KS8500 though, and of course that look fantastic. I don't think the blooming is going to be an issue at all. Vizio looked fucking great as well, although I know it shines in lowlight conditions, which obviously I couldn't test.

Both are great sets, I'll be going with the Samsung. Wish I could have seen a better demo of HDR, though. The "comparisons" in the demo were clearly bullshit simulations.
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Coincidentally, I also wen to BB today. I have to say, the curved KS8500 looked amazing. I actually preferred it over the flat KS8000. Any downsides to a curved TV for gaming?
 
jaaz said:
Coincidentally, I also wen to BB today. I have to say, the curved KS8500 looked amazing. I actually preferred it over the flat KS8000. Any downsides to a curved TV for gaming?
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Oh for sure the curved looked beautiful!

Gaming is the only reason to get a curved, IMO. It's bad for movies though, I've found.
 
I just bought a KS8000, XboneS and The Revenant on UHD Blu-ray. I'm nothing if not impulsive.
 
Sleeping Lesson said:
Oh for sure the curved looked beautiful!

Gaming is the only reason to get a curved, IMO. It's bad for movies though, I've found.
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The curve wasn't even that extreme. It's pretty slight. It's weird, but it made the TV look bigger to me. And it did kinda of suck me in to the movie that was playing.

They had the LG OLEDs there too. They looked beautiful of course, but to be honest, I expected them to blow away the Samsung LED, but that really wasn't the case. They were pretty close. Maybe it was the crappy BB source video that was playing.
 
Anyone here have the UN49KS8000FXZA TV..that is the one I want to get for my room(Can only have the 49 inch one since I have a dresser that makes it impossible to go larger) is this TV good for the PS4 PRO and the XBOX ONE S..Im hoping that for Black Friday the price for the TV will be cut in half, right now its 1099 which for a 49 inch TV is too expensive for me to spend so am waiting for the price to drop..I have a Samsung TV right now that is 8 years old but its only 1080p, not a smart TV or anything, still a great TV but want to upgrade if I can
 
Lakerchick4life said:
Anyone here have the UN49KS8000FXZA TV..that is the one I want to get for my room(Can only have the 49 inch one since I have a dresser that makes it impossible to go larger) is this TV good for the PS4 PRO and the XBOX ONE S..Im hoping that for Black Friday the price for the TV will be cut in half, right now its 1099 which for a 49 inch TV is too expensive for me to spend so am waiting for the price to drop..I have a Samsung TV right now that is 8 years old but its only 1080p, not a smart TV or anything, still a great TV but want to upgrade if I can
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All the KS8000s are a fantastic choice, so yes, absolutely a great TV (I have the 65" version, and many others on here also own it).
 
I'm overwhelmed by this... Can someone help me? I'm thinking about buying a new TV by the end of this year. I'd like it to be 4K/HDR capable, 50"- 60" (for Pro, which I'll buy at some point) and cost about 2000 euros max.
 
Jamiaro said:
I'm overwhelmed by this... Can someone help me? I'm thinking about buying a new TV by the end of this year. I'd like it to be 4K/HDR capable, 50"- 60" (for Pro, which I'll buy at some point) and cost about 2000 euros max.
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Vizio P55, Samsung UE60KS7000 (in Europe; equivalent to U.S. KS8000), or wait for sale on 55" LG B6 OLED.

There aren't that many options for true HDR, 10-bit, and decent input lag. The above is pretty much it within your budget. The only additional options outside your budget are the UE55KS8000 (not worth it over the KS7000), LG E6 OLED and LG G6 OLED (flagship).

I think someone mentioned a newly released Panasonic set too, but haven't seen much info on it/it actually for sale anywhere.
 
Tjamato88 said:
Are there any HDR TVs in the $500 range?
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FailBurger said:
No
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Has no one brought up this LG TV? LG 50UH5500 for $500.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-50-c...4&ksdevice=c&gclid=CLGd6qrChs8CFUlehgods5oHNg

It does have HDR Pro (HDR10) according to user reviews on Best Buy and Amazon, even though some websites don't list it as having it (but not all). Dell was even having a (Labor Day?) deal for this TV with a $150 gift card.

Edit: Seems the price went up to $600 since posting, at least on the Best Buy site.
 
Soriku said:
Has no one brought up this LG TV? LG 50UH5500 for $500.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-50-c...4&ksdevice=c&gclid=CLGd6qrChs8CFUlehgods5oHNg

It does have HDR Pro (HDR10) according to user reviews on Best Buy and Amazon, even though some websites don't list it as having it (but not all). Dell was even having a (Labor Day?) deal for this TV with a $150 gift card.
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Not real HDR. It'll accept an HDR10 signal, but it will not display it how it's meant to be seen because of: 8-bit panel, nowhere near the necessary peak/sustained brightness, no local dimming, no wide color gamut.

There are really VERY few options for true HDR sets, by which I mean sets that have a 10-bit panel, good local dimming, good black levels, can attain 1000nits, and wide color gamut). Further, I believe the UH5500 is one of the RGBW 4faKe LG panels. Options are pretty much: Samsung KS8000 (7000 in EU), Vizio P-Series, Sony X930D, LG B6/E6/G6 OLED. The OLEDs are prohibitively expensive, but you might find the smaller P-Series and KS8000 for cheap over the holidays. I would not personally recommend the Sony.
 
Lion Heart said:
Am I right in assuming most people with HDR capable TVs are not able to do surround sound since their AVR does not support it? Lets say you buy a PS4 Pro and you have an HDR TV, you have to plug the PS4 HDMI directly to the TV otherwise you plug it in the AVR and get 5.1/7.1 but no HDR?

Not many people are talking about this, but I'm trying to buy an AVR and don't want to have to choose between HDR and surround sound. Nor do I want to spend $2000 on an AVR.

Unless the PS4 Pro had an HDMI Audio out, that would be ballin.
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You could connect to the TV with HDMI and use the optical out to the AVR, wouldn't that work?
 
finalflame said:
Not real HDR. It'll accept an HDR10 signal, but it will not display it how it's meant to be seen because of: 8-bit panel, nowhere near the necessary peak/sustained brightness, no local dimming, no wide color gamut.

There are really VERY few options for true HDR sets, by which I mean sets that have a 10-bit panel, good local dimming, good black levels, can attain 1000nits, and wide color gamut). Further, I believe the UH5500 is one of the RGBW 4faKe LG panels. Options are pretty much: Samsung KS8000 (7000 in EU), Vizio P-Series, Sony X930D, LG B6/E6/G6 OLED. The OLEDs are prohibitively expensive, but you might find the smaller P-Series and KS8000 for cheap over the holidays. I would not personally recommend the Sony.
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Where do you get this information?
 
Soriku said:
Has no one brought up this LG TV? LG 50UH5500 for $500.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-50-c...4&ksdevice=c&gclid=CLGd6qrChs8CFUlehgods5oHNg

It does have HDR Pro (HDR10) according to user reviews on Best Buy and Amazon, even though some websites don't list it as having it (but not all). Dell was even having a (Labor Day?) deal for this TV with a $150 gift card.

Edit: Seems the price went up to $600 since posting, at least on the Best Buy site.
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Actually, under the item specifications it days no HDR. It's a 8 bit. 10 bit tvs start at around 1k
 
Soriku said:
Where do you get this information?
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Article on fake LG's fake 4K: http://hdguru.com/new-lg-rgbw-4k-ultra-hd-lcd-line-sparks-debate/

Spec sheet for UH6550, which is a similar but superior panel to the UH5500: http://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/4ae44fa

There's actually not a lot of information on the U5500 and UH6550 since nobody has bothered to do an in-depth review, but the 5500 is a couple of classes below the 7700, and the 7700 already fares terribly in HDR/brightness/contrast/color gamut:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uh7700

These budget panels (anything below UH8500 for LG, anything below KS8000 for Samsung, anything below P-Series for Vizio, anything below X930 for Sony) just aren't worth purchasing if you want good HDR performance. If you can't get one of the aforementioned within your budget, wait for next year's budget models.
 
finalflame said:
Vizio P55, Samsung UE60KS7000 (in Europe; equivalent to U.S. KS8000), or wait for sale on 55" LG B6 OLED.

There aren't there many options for true HDR, 10-bit, and decent input lag. The above is pretty much it within your budget. The only additional options outside your budget are the UE55KS8000 (not worth it over the KS7000), LG E6 OLED and LG G6 OLED (flahship).

I think someone mentioned a newly release Panasonic set too, but haven't seen much info on it/it actually for sale anywhere.
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Thanks for the tips, I appreciate this. Gonna look into all of these and make a decision in the long run. :)

Edit: I looked up Samsung UE60KS7000 and I'm very impressed by the reviews. I see many of you guys have it and that you are happy with it?
 
finalflame said:
All the KS8000s are a fantastic choice, so yes, absolutely a great TV (I have the 65" version, and many others on here also own it).
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Thanks for the info..I can only get the 49 inch so I am going to wait for the price to go down..do you think it might be half off on Black Friday(I know, speculating but would love your opinion on it) so for sure this would work perfectly with the PS4 PRO and the XBOX ONE S? Am planning on getting both so want a really good TV to work with both consoles..this would be my first smart TV, we have two other smart TVs in my house but none of them are 4K and not HDR
 
BruceCLea said:
This is from Rtings.com, a tv site. If you care about HDR and gaming, this is what you need to know. TVs much more expensive can't do this:

"The Samsung KS8000 is one of the best 4K TVs available right now. It’s really versatile, it does great in brighter rooms and is the best alternative to the Vizio P Series if your usage is more gaming heavy.

It has a wide color gamut, great output of a 10 bit HDR signal and has some of the best blacks and contrast found on an LED TV. It’s also excellent for playing games using one of the new consoles since it has one of the lowest input lag we’ve tested and next to no motion blur. The input lag is not affected by having HDR on either. It reaches impressive peaks of brightness, some of the highest we’ve tested at 1472 cd/m2.

If you plan to use your TV for a large variety of content other than HDR and didn't want to shell out for OLED, the KS8000 is the best buy."

This will be mine.
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This TV is sounding better and better.
 
Welp, just picked up 65" ks8000..

Haven't really mess with the setting that much but picture out of the box is outstanding. Watching YouTube 4k and playing my ps4 makes me have an eyegasm. it looked so good. Can't wait to try hdr gaming soon!!
 
I live in Finland, and I'm trying to figure out the number of KS8000 (US) and KS7000 (UK) equilevant. I guess it's the KS7005 but I'm not sure. Is there a list somewhere I can check?
 
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