Based of What I've seen in gameplay of both games, Star Fox looked very boring to me whilst the co-op federation force missions on the Treehouse actually looked fun. This is me judging off of gameplay. I'm sure Star Fox actually is fun but when comparing the look of the gameplay, I was surprised Federation Force was still met with such hate.
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What's going with Metroid Federation Force?
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Based of What I've seen in gameplay of both games, Star Fox looked very boring to me whilst the co-op federation force missions on the Treehouse actually looked fun. This is me judging off of gameplay. I'm sure Star Fox actually is fun but when comparing the look of the gameplay, I was surprised Federation Force was still met with such hate.
James Scott
Banned
I'm pretty sure that's now how that works
Jonneh3003
Banned
Federation Force seemed more finished than Star Fox Zero was at E3 I think. If I recall Miyamoto's team had finished the core mechanics in E3 2014 so Platinum had probably only been working on the game for under a year when it was shown back in June. I imagine when we see it next it will look far more exciting, I can assure you that the core gameplay is there and the gamepad makes flying an Arwing more interactive and precise than ever,
That's the issue right there in the bolded. Putting out a spinoff game when that series hasn't had a new entry in 5 years is ridiculous. People want a new mainline game, not a spinoff. Had a new mainline Metroid game been announced alongside FF there would have been no backlash because the fans got what they wanted. That's not the case right now and there are still no signs of a new mainline Metroid game coming in the near future
James Scott
Banned
Triforce heroes is very fun, but they added a way to play it single player to avoid backlash against it for being a multiplayer only Zelda.
I do kind of like that it feels truly cooperative. The tools necessary to communicate are all there as well
Jonneh3003
Banned
We can assume Metroid isn't coming to the Wii U at this point and they wouldn't announced an NX game before properly unveiling the console, perhaps Federation Force was announced too early to pad the Nintendo Direct out.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Exactly the issue. Imagine if there was no plan for Zelda Wii U I can tell you right now Hyrule Warriors and especially the current Triforce Heroes would receive a LOT of flak.
With Zelda Wii U we had Hyrule Warriors, ALBW, and now TP HD, HW: Legends, Triforce Heroes to lead up into that.
You know what Metroid has received on the same token? NOTHING.
So am I surprised at the backlash? No. In fact I was disappointed in the reveal. But I've already said that twice in this topic.
Almost all signs point to Metroid missing the Wii U.
It's not like it hasn't happened before... but the last time it missed a whole console generation was the N64.
James Scott
Banned
Star Fox looks like Star Fox and it's being made by PG and Nintendo. Outside of being a bit unimpressive it still looks fun
Poltergust
Member
The primary reason I want this game to become vaporware is because I believe NLG is wasting their talents on something that is undoubtedly going to bomb. NLG is a great developer; they deserve better than this.
I can't see this game appealing to enough people to make any sort of profit. There are next-to-no shooter fans on the 3DS, and the game's mere existence pisses off the Metroid fanbase.
I can't see this game appealing to enough people to make any sort of profit. There are next-to-no shooter fans on the 3DS, and the game's mere existence pisses off the Metroid fanbase.
James Scott
Banned
The problem with cancelling a game now is that it's basically already done, if they cancelled it right after e3 then maybe, but I don't think they would do that.
Probably worse for Next Level and Metroid
Silent_Ocarina
Member
So what if Metroid didn't get the same treatment as Zelda? Clearly Zelda is a bigger franchise to Nintendo than Metroid is. What do you say to fans of other franchises that have gone years without proper sequels like Star Fox (before Zero was announced, of course), F-Zero, or Mother? It's reasonable to be upset when your favorite series is absent, but using Federation Force as some indication of a larger problem within Nintendo is rather silly.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
All I'm saying is after 5 years of inactivity Metroid fans deserve better. The most Metroid fans have gotten of recent I suppose is in Smash Bros. And the occasional tune at a symphonic concert. And I guess a minor collab thing in MH4.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
You could say that about a lot of fans of different franchises.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Indeed you could.
I think my biggest issue with this game is that it's coming out 5 years after other M. Personally, I think Other M is a terrible excuse for a Metroid game that ravaged samus's character. It's the main reason I've wanted to see another proper Metroid game this badly. I'm pretty sure I would have not given this uninteresting Metroid spinoff game a second thought if the game we got 5 years prior was an amazing Metroid experience... Suffice to say it wasn't and now I want a good mainline Metroid game to remind me why I fell in love with the series in the first place
-shadow-
Member
I have no idea what Nintendo's doing with the game, but I honestly wouldn't put it beyond them to quietly put it up on the eShop without announcing so and not even putting it on the main page due to the backlash. Rarely have I ever seen a fanbase be so incredibly angry and a company so incredibly silent with such anger.
I just hope that the game does end up being good, retooled or not.
I just hope that the game does end up being good, retooled or not.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
They'll still get paid.
Tanabe's comment along with the existence of Federation Force can imply that there is a Metroid Prime game in development, but it's for NX since Wii U is dead. Tanabe wants games like Federation Force to lay some foundation for the next Metroid Prime.
Sakamoto wasn't heavily involved with the Metroid Prime games, so of course he wouldn't be returning if the next game is a Metroid Prime. At most he'd be an advisor.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I see no implication in his words.
dreamlongdead
Member
I don't know what's going on. The game looked really bad when they showed it, so people are not craving for more. I personally don't care for the title.
Green Mamba
Member
The post you're quoting was talking about Metroid in general, not just Metroid Prime.
What? I have a legitimate opinion about Nintendos ever increasing licensing of their IP and monetization of it. Leading to some C grade spin offs, Nintendo reskinned last gen games whatever BUT you like some of them so I need to shut up and stop talking trash.
You sir, are rude.
The12thGripper
Member
Besides the fact that your original post did not include any of this, none of the 4 titles you listed in your original post are "C grade" or "reskins". If you're going to shit on games, please at least wait until they come actually out.
Thank you.
Yes sir!
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
It was already something else to begin with. Some minigame in another game.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Well announcing it first by the minigame and then the rest of the game should have indicated that the title was something different. Imagine how pissed off people would have been if they hyped up a Metroid reveal and it was just this. It was never treated as a mainline game or even suggested so, so they negative feedback is just EMBARRASSING.
It's context. The way Tanabe was so openly talking about Metroid Prime 4 is something Nintendo would have nipped in the bud if it wasn't happening. Tanabe talked about how Federation Force and possibly other games are meant to build up the world for future Metroid Primes. It's possible a game is in early development or contingent on Federation Force since Metroid is not a high selling franchise.
Yes, the post was using Sakamoto's comment as evidence of no Metroid games coming, but if the next game is a Metroid Prime then Sakamoto wouldn't be directing that anyway.
Don't forget the two Animal Crossing games and the Zelda 3DS game they released recently.
I hope it's still in development but that they've completely overhauled the graphics and art direction.
No chibi-proportioned characters. Use the Metroid Prime 2 and 3 GFMC design. And get rid of the ugly primary color character designations. The visors should all be the original baby blue, and then over top of that you can use a cell shaded HUD to identify each player.
I have no problem with a Metroid spinoff, but what they showed was just really ugly, aesthetically and technically. And we already know Next Level Games can pull off really nice graphics on 3DS, so that's not a concern.
No chibi-proportioned characters. Use the Metroid Prime 2 and 3 GFMC design. And get rid of the ugly primary color character designations. The visors should all be the original baby blue, and then over top of that you can use a cell shaded HUD to identify each player.
I have no problem with a Metroid spinoff, but what they showed was just really ugly, aesthetically and technically. And we already know Next Level Games can pull off really nice graphics on 3DS, so that's not a concern.
James Scott
Banned
Aren't two of those pretty good? (Not the mario party clone)
Both sales is quite good though as it seems to target very niche fanbase of the ip fans.
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I hope they are reworking it into something that is more appealing (and has a better artstyle). Perhaps even pushed to the proper 3DS successor as launch title.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
Happy Home Designer seems to be really well-loved by the people who buy it, I'm not really familiar with anyone who thinks the game is bad at all.
Triforce Heroes is a little more hit-or-miss but definitely has a following, it doesn't seem like the kind of game that would review that well anyways.
Can we just stop using Metacritic as any real sort of indicator anyways, a 5 on one review could be equivalent to the 7 on another site, it's not a good way of showing the quality of anything, and that's without going into the issues with game reviews and what they're biased towards and against.
Triforce Heroes is a little more hit-or-miss but definitely has a following, it doesn't seem like the kind of game that would review that well anyways.
Can we just stop using Metacritic as any real sort of indicator anyways, a 5 on one review could be equivalent to the 7 on another site, it's not a good way of showing the quality of anything, and that's without going into the issues with game reviews and what they're biased towards and against.
I guess that's one way to spin it.
GhostTrick
Banned
The reasoning for Federation Force is "we want to make an online co-op game, which franchise can we use for increased sales potential" because online / social is the current trend of Nintendo. Even Zelda U is supposed to have some sort of online aspect.
Not "let's make a Metroid game, how about a co-op spinoff?"
If metroidvania becomes relevant to Nintendo sometime in the future, or if they feel it's time to revisit the franchise for some reason, then you'll get a proper Metroid. The franchise is low on the priority list I imagine, especially now that the likes of Splatoon, Fire Emblem, Hyrule Warriors, Mario Maker and Luigi's Mansion established themselves as successes so it's even less likely you'll see Nintendo waste a dev cycle on Metroid.
Tri Force Heroes is amazing, third best game of 2015. The level design and puzzles are some of the best EAD has to offer outside of mainline Mario / Zelda this gen. It's a game that actually demands teamwork, features incredible bosses and has a killer ost.
GhostTrick
Banned
Sorry. I know opinions and such but I cant think of that being true. Its not even the 3rd best 3DS game released this year.
And to me, its pretty clear that they didnt gave much attention to this game. Its a subpar Four Sword Adventures without the inventivity or polish this one received.
Wouldn't said checks be done before they showed the game off to the public?
No, I don't think you do know opinions and such. You are just using consensus of the gaming enthusiast community and sales as arguments in subjective discussions about games while trying to build up your viewpoint as the "correct" one.
For the heck of it, I'll post one level from the game that stood out to me and solidified why I play Nintendo games (not just home console Zelda and Smash, but own almost every game Nintendo published on 3DS and Wii U);
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TukEiH2tjOU&t=4m45s
Theanine3D
Member
People are still suggesting the game be cancelled?
Cancelling the game would make Nintendo look really weak. It would signal to the fanbase that as long as you are loud and angry enough, you can dictate Nintendo's business decisions. This would be the cowardly, lazy route for Nintendo to take. It would shut up angry fans in the short-term but at the cost of Nintendo's image as a decision-maker in the long-term.
The correct, and courageous decision, would be to delay the game to improve it. Go through the criticisms for the game and find the ones actually worthy of attention ("Cancel this game" is not a criticism, a new single-player Metroid is not going to magically pop into existence if this game was canned), and make the game the best it can be. Then you can convince your fans that this really is truly a game for them, they just didn't know it yet.
Nintendo is the kind of company that usually takes the latter route.
Cancelling the game would make Nintendo look really weak. It would signal to the fanbase that as long as you are loud and angry enough, you can dictate Nintendo's business decisions. This would be the cowardly, lazy route for Nintendo to take. It would shut up angry fans in the short-term but at the cost of Nintendo's image as a decision-maker in the long-term.
The correct, and courageous decision, would be to delay the game to improve it. Go through the criticisms for the game and find the ones actually worthy of attention ("Cancel this game" is not a criticism, a new single-player Metroid is not going to magically pop into existence if this game was canned), and make the game the best it can be. Then you can convince your fans that this really is truly a game for them, they just didn't know it yet.
Nintendo is the kind of company that usually takes the latter route.
GhostTrick
Banned
Just on 3DS, you already have Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate, Majora's Mask 3D, Devil Survivor 2 and Story of Seasons that were better games than Triforce Heroes. That is JUST on 3DS. If you add other platforms... I dont see Triforce Heroes sitting in a top 15 for 2015.
Haunted
Member
Those checks are done constantly, plenty of opportunities to decide it's not good enough/needs more time/isn't worth supporting anymore.
Then again, maybe they'll just quietly put it out and it'll bomb without much fanfare like AC Festival.