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[ShadowkillXNA]

Can't figure out how to sell something without asking? How do you survive life?

This is your contribution ? Really ?

OP I agree with the posters who have said if your going to sell it, do it now before the pricedrop.
If you do it via craigslist be sure to bring some friends with you and meet the buyer in a public place.
Be safe.

 

[Alcoholikaust]

how I switch: hit the input change button on the tv remote

jokes aside: trade it now while it still holds value. eBay is a disaster and you have to do all the packing and are accountable for all shipping. trading it in is a super easy way to avoid the hassle.

 

[Silvawuff]

Do you live with your parents with no life responsabilities? Not everyone has money, cabinet space, or time to support every platform. Most people dont have enough of those things to support even 2 platforms.

Certainly not. I work a full time job and go to school, and still find time to game. The context of my point is that it would be nice to have the availability of both consoles, but I agree there are certainly other limiting factors as you've eloquently pointed out.

Good luck selling your console or trading it, OP!

 

[Dambrosi]

Play both, silly! Why limit yourself?

This is the correct answer. Idorts always win, every generation.

And it doesn't matter if you don't have the time or money for their upkeep. Five years from now, all their games will be super-cheap

Spoiler

since the industry crash will force the stores to liquidate stock at a rapid pace

.

 

[Barneyco]

You should just sell it now. You'll probably not get any more money in the future. Just like ripping off a band-aid. Do it now.

 

[Raven Prime]

Several platforms have had weak launches. The advice to wait it out and not "limit yourself" is because it's apparently easy to give up in the first six months and then regret it later. Games make a system, and at the moment we don't know enough about the future to say that one system is irrelevant.

I think you need to read OP's post on top of the 2nd page, I'll quote it here for convenience. I'm not sure why he bought the bone to begin with, because some of these issues were predictable, but be that as it may he simply doesn't like the system. Seeing how performance is important for him, waiting isn't going to change a thing because that performance gap is here to stay. Optimization and the hocus pocus of the cloud is only going to do so much, but it will never bring performance parity, since Sony will keep optimizing as well. I'm pretty sure the OP realizes that if he really wants MS's exclusive games he'll have to keep the system, so that's not the issue.

Very hard to convince myself to keep a system that costs close to $500 that is so sluggish and has a hard time running games at such low resolution. I remember buying Xbox and 360 day 1 and being impressed by the graphics and speed. MS dropped the ball HARD on this mess of a system.

They should've
1. dropped the useless Kinect. (Seriously. The only time I use it is to turn on the system. And THAT'S IT.)

2. added a better GPU

3. included an ARM processor

Sony really worked hard on designing a gaming system and it really shows.

 

[GobFather]

Sell it on craigslist.

In my local area (sf), people are selling Day 1 boxes for $65......on Craigslist lol

Or this with a MacBook lol

 

[Toki767]

Definitely sell it now if you want the maximum value. If E3 gives a price drop, you won't be seeing anything near $357.

 

[mrJared]

Overall, I would say to wait until E3 to make a decision on trading since we are so close to it (just to see if you still want to keep the system) but that's just my opinion.

Why would he want to do that if his main complaint is multiplat performance... he'll miss the best version of the next big blockbuster in Watch Dogs.

And if they announce a drop at E3, game stops trade value goes down... better get it while you still can.

Also, nothing they can announce at E3 will make up for being forced to play the worst version of Destiny either.

Be smart, go PS4 now.

 

[LithiumSpade]

I think you need to read OP's post on top of the 2nd page, I'll quote it here for convenience. I'm not sure why he bought the bone to begin with, because some of these issues were predictable, but be that as it may he simply doesn't like the system. Seeing how performance is important for him, waiting isn't going to change a thing because that performance gap is here to stay. Optimization and the hocus pocus of the cloud is only going to do so much, but it will never bring performance parity, since Sony will keep optimizing as well. I'm pretty sure the OP realizes that if he really wants MS's exclusive games he'll have to keep the system, so that's not the issue.

I totally understand that line of thinking, I just disagree with it. XB1 will have at least a dozen decent-to-good exclusives within a year, so it seems more sensible to tolerate the performance gap for six months, pick up a PS4 later, and then you've got the option for future exclusives for either platform. He can get multiplats on the PS4, and satisfy that issue, but lets be real here - if performance is genuinely the issue here, he'd get a PC. That's the simple truth. What OP must want, logically, is PS4 exclusives - they don't get worse with time. Wait, get them when you can afford them, you'll feel a ton better about it.

Why would he want to do that if his main complaint is multiplat performance... he'll miss the best version of the next big blockbuster in Watch Dogs.

And if they announce a drop at E3, game stops trade value goes down... better get it while you still can.

Also, nothing they can announce at E3 will make up for being forced to play the worst version of Destiny either.

Be smart, go PS4 now.

Why wouldn't OP just get a PC for the best version of Watch Dogs? Is there something i'm missing here?

Also, not worst version of Destiny. Second best. This fanboy hyperbole is ridiculous.

 

[sunnz]

Why would he want to do that if his main complaint is multiplat performance... he'll miss the best version of the next big blockbuster in Watch Dogs.

And if they announce a drop at E3, game stops trade value goes down... better get it while you still can.

Also, nothing they can announce at E3 will make up for being forced to play the worst version of Destiny either.

Be smart, go PS4 now.

Thing is it depends on whether:

1) If any of the announced XBONE exclusives interest the OP. If they do you should hold out and and see more of those games. Sunset overdrive looks intersting but when they show gameplay it could be even better and something you really wanna play.

2) How interested are you in MS other games, like HALO and Gears of war? Do they tempt you?

If the answer to the top 2 questions is no then probably best to sell it while you can get a decent amount.

Last thing you would want to do is sell it and find out in a month or 2 that the exclusive you were slightly interested in ends up being a really good game and something you really wanna play.

 

[Jomjom]

Does GS have one of those get x% more when you trade towards a preorder? If so you can trade it and then ask for it in trade credit rather than applying it towards the preorder.

 

[Tigress]

Isn't that how Gamestop's "trade-in" service has functioned? Relying on people not realizing that they could get more money reselling on Amazon or whatever.

For a console with an extremely well supplied used market though like the XBO, it's probably not worth it to even bother. Gamestop offering $350 might be worth not putting up with the headache of trying to get $400 through other methods.

Gamestop is not always bad to trade your stuff. I ended up trading my Wii to them cause I couldn't even get any bites at 70 dollars on craigslist (I mean no one responded to my ad) and they were offering something like 75 store credit. I decided that was better than probably 40 or 50 cash I could get on craigslist (I sold the wii in 2012 when anyone who wanted one already had it. At the time I had just gotten back into video games, my mom had sent me it, and I had decided there was nothing I really wanted to play on it and I had no idea it was worth so little).

Yeah, Wii was why I had no interest in the next Nintendo console (I mostly wanted third party games and I didn't believe the clerk when he said they were trying to change that with Wii U. Glad I listened to my instinct which was, "I'll believe it when I see it". I'm much much happier with my PS3). It's why I feel the Wii itself is part of Wii U's problem. Sure it got a lot of casuals interested, but it also helped cement their reputation for no third party games and you buy a Nintendo to play Nintendo games. Which is great if you want Nintendo games.

 

[Raven Prime]

I totally understand that line of thinking, I just disagree with it. XB1 will have at least a dozen decent-to-good exclusives within a year, so it seems more sensible to tolerate the performance gap for six months, pick up a PS4 later, and then you've got the option for future exclusives for either platform. He can get multiplats on the PS4, and satisfy that issue, but lets be real here - if importance is genuinely the issue here, he'd get a PC. That's the simple truth. What OP must want, logically, is PS4 exclusives - they don't get worse with time. Wait, get them when you can afford them, you'll feel a ton better about it.

Some people just don't care for PC gaming, or at least not waiting for games like GTA V to finally be ported over. My initial comment still sticks, regardless if he would get a PC or PS4. Why keep a system you don't want to play on? We can't simply assume he has limitless resources to just buy everything he wants, else it's unlikely he would have started this topic to begin with. It seems to me that every day the OP delays his decision will simply be wasted potential enjoyment of another system.

 

[Jimmy Rustle]

Why would he want to do that if his main complaint is multiplat performance... he'll miss the best version of the next big blockbuster in Watch Dogs.

And if they announce a drop at E3, game stops trade value goes down... better get it while you still can.

Also, nothing they can announce at E3 will make up for being forced to play the worst version of Destiny either.

Be smart, go PS4 now.

The best version huh?

Simply being 1080p isn't the end all be all, unfortunately.

 

[GobFather]

The best version huh?

Simply being 1080p isn't the end all be all, unfortunately.

Better is a ...better..word? Lol

 

[Sean*O]

$357?! Take the credits and run like you've robbed the place.

Most logical post. That's a pretty good deal considering all of the free games and discounts that have been flying around the xbone lately.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Some people just don't care for PC gaming, or at least not waiting for games like GTA V to finally be ported over. My initial comment still sticks, regardless if he would get a PC or PS4. Why keep a system you don't want to play on? We can't simply assume he has limitless resources to just buy everything he wants, else it's unlikely he would have started this topic to begin with. It seems to me that every day the OP delays his decision will simply be wasted potential enjoyment of another system.

This is so true, and something that continually gets ignored. Not everyone wants to game on a PC. PC ports tend to have a plethora of issues, and they tend to come out much later than their console counterparts. That isn't to say that PC gaming can be a blast, some of my favorite moments from this past gen have been with a keyboard and mouse. That doesn't change the fact, that it isn't for everyone.

IF the OP really wants to switch to a PS4 he should do it now. The value is only going to decrease over time and will more than likely drop through the floor after E3.

 

[mrJared]

The best version huh?

Simply being 1080p isn't the end all be all, unfortunately.

the writing is already on the wall... if you haven't learned from the past few releases yet, when a company hides a product, and chooses not to disclose resolution and framerates of a particular version, that doesn't bode well for that release.

 

[matty2Dfraud]

Fair enough

But when E3 comes around sony could be leading 2:1 or 3:1 worldwide and we are only 7 months into this generation. So what do you think is gonna happen for (presumably) the next 5-6 years of this generation?

Anything can happen in 5 to 6 years. Leading 2 or 3:1 right now isn't that big of a gap when a console can do 80+ million by the end of the gen... a few million isn't much. It'll be a big deal if the same thing is happening a few years from now. Do I think the XBO will overtake the PS4? Probably not, but that doesn't mean MS isn't going to sell a ton of consoles and do really well either. Games will be released, new services will be added, and shit can change.

Hell, has everyone forgot how well the PS3 turned around? The first couple months isn't going to determine anything.

 

[Jimmy Rustle]

the writing is already on the wall... if you haven't learned from the past few releases yet, when a company hides a product, and chooses not to disclose resolution and framerates of a particular version, that doesn't bode well for that release.

My comment has nothing to do with the Xbox One version.

 

[LithiumSpade]

Some people just don't care for PC gaming, or at least not waiting for games like GTA V to finally be ported over. My initial comment still sticks, regardless if he would get a PC or PS4. Why keep a system you don't want to play on? We can't simply assume he has limitless resources to just buy everything he wants, else it's unlikely he would have started this topic to begin with. It seems to me that every day the OP delays his decision will simply be wasted potential enjoyment of another system.

Honestly, because I'm making an assumption based on my own experience. I've lived (in the UK) by myself for 7 years, and for 4 of those below the poverty line. Despite that, I was able to maintain 3 systems by being sensible with money, so I always assume that other people have more money than me. I wasn't able to buy a current-gen console at launch, so my guess is that anyone who's able to do that could also probably start saving for another one 6 months out from now. Might be an unfair assumption but it's one I'm willing to gamble on. Why would you not want to play on a system for any reason other than the games aren't good enough? And if the answer is performance of multiplats, go PC. (Not that you were giving this as a cast iron example, but you can't play GTA5 on PS4 either!)

 

[WoostieB]

I think the OP absolutely just doesn't like the system despite exclusives etc.

I owned a PS3 and xbox 360 last gen and after borrowing an xbox one for 3 days I feel the same way.

If you gave me the system for free I would still sell it as I simply don't like the system.

 

[mrJared]

My comment has nothing to do with the Xbox One version.

just like last gen when everyone was buying 360 versions, you were there to tell them to get a PC.

ahh but I get it, you're one of those who think console gamers are interested in having a PC tower sitting next to their TV in their living rooms buzzing away 24/7. We aren't.

 

[Cynn]

Not only that, it doesn't run games very well at all. I tried to love this system. I REALLY did, but holy crap this system isn't any good.

Just wait until you get a PS4 and try Infamous. You'll be playing your first actual next gen game at that point and the difference in performance will really floor you.

My X1 is an exclusives machine and media box. Nothing more. Pretty much what my PS3 was last gen.

 

[SmokedMeat]

You could probably get 400 or 450 for it on Craigslist. I don't know specific prices but it's a new piece of hardware. Shouldn't have to take too much of a loss.

For that money you'd better be including a few games. They're going for way under retail in my area.

 

[Raven Prime]

Honestly, because I'm making an assumption based on my own experience. I've lived (in the UK) by myself for 7 years, and for 4 of those below the poverty line. Despite that, I was able to maintain 3 systems by being sensible with money, so I always assume that other people have more money than me. I wasn't able to buy a current-gen console at launch, so my guess is that anyone who's able to do that could also probably start saving for another one 6 months out from now. Might be an unfair assumption but it's one I'm willing to gamble on. Why would you not want to play on a system for any reason other than the games aren't good enough? And if the answer is performance of multiplats, go PC. (Not that you were giving this as a cast iron example, but you can't play GTA5 on PS4 either!)

We should always be careful with assuming things. All I see is that the OP currently owns a XB1 and wants to switch to PS4. I can think of a lot of reasons why the OP wouldn't want to allocate over $900 simply towards console hardware. One argument against owning a XB1 & PS4 is that they both need subscription services to get the most out of them. Sure the OP could get a bone for cheap somewhere in the future, if he'd like. But as the market stands now, it seems like a waste of resources to me.
Also regarding owning a launch console, we don't know how long the OP saved for next-gen, regardless it doesn't indicate the OP has cash to burn. It just suggests he is a gaming enthusiast as is to be expected on gaf. I already pointed out that PC gaming isn't for everyone, so we should focus on the issue of console performance and not performance in general. And my comment about GTAV was an argument against PC gaming vs console gaming. The PS4 wasn't even released at that time so it's absense on the current-gen consoles wasn't the point. Just change the example to GTA4 or even better RDR to get the gist of my argument.

 

[Maybesew]

What about trading into game stop when they have one of those bonus promotions of extra credit towards a next gen console?

Given the amount of Xbox 1 being sold on Craigslist, and how difficult it can be with buyers on there, i would take the convenience of game stop any day and if it's a few bucks less so be it

 

[Effigenius]

The Craigslist in Portland is full of "will trade PS4 for XB1" ads. Maybe you should try that route first, and if you don't get a hit by Wednesday, take the deal?

But think about why you really want to do it. You bought the XB1 for a reason, it's usually a bad idea to sell within 6 months after you bought it. Typically people who do this sell it at a loss then just re-buy it anyway. How are you going to feel if Microsoft brings the pain game-wise at E3? They certainly have more motivation to do so than Sony. I think you should just stick with the XB1 and maybe acquire a PS4 down the road when it has must-play exclusives. Don't let Gaf hype fool you into thinking you aren't having fun with the XB1 version of multiplats. Those games are perfectly fine.

 

[SmokedMeat]

The dual subscriptions for online gaming is what's killed my desire for an X1. I can see why some are going to choose one or the other instead of buying both like we would in the past.

Microsoft could drop the price to $349 at E3 and I still wouldn't buy a second system with an online paywall.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Switching already?
Based on what?
It's not like the PS4 has such an abundance of exclusives out right now.

If I were you I'd wait til after E3 before deciding to make such a move.
I have a feeling Microsoft is gonna bring some compelling reasons to stick around. I mean, they kind of have to, right?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Microsoft could drop the price to $349 at E3 and I still wouldn't buy a second system with an online paywall.

I don't know, I can respect your view, but I think the argument is really overstated. You can get a 12-month sub to either PS+ or Gold for $40 at the drop of a hat. Honestly, $80 a year is nothing at all. I pay more for Netflix or HBO per month than both Gold/PS+ combined. Add in the 'freebies' that come with either (PS+ mostly) and the argument seems more and more overstated.

 

[Lemstar]

Why not try eBay?

Someone else pointed out earlier that eBay is bad, but most people don't know how bad it really is.

The current TIV at GS is $357.50. To get that amount after eBay fees, PayPal fees, and shipping (assuming $40 shipping for USPS Standard Post, although I imagine that including the original box would push it over to the bulk package pricing), it'd need to sell for $460. For comparison, prices on recently ended listings are all over the place, but they're generally in the $350-450 shipped range depending on how many games are bundled.

Between the hassle of packing a 10+ pound package and the slight but nonzero risk of getting blown up by some kind of buyer claim, there's not much sense in selling on eBay - especially since the OP knows what he plans to do with the money, so the flexibility of having cash over GameStop/Amazon credit does nothing.

 

[Jimmy Rustle]

just like last gen when everyone was buying 360 versions, you were there to tell them to get a PC.

ahh but I get it, you're one of those who think console gamers are interested in having a PC tower sitting next to their TV in their living rooms buzzing away 24/7. We aren't.

Hold your horses there buddy,

So its ok to for someone who only games on console to bicker about 900p vs 1080p and complain about the technical aspects of the weaker machine, yet its not ok for a PC gamer to recommend a machine that can downsample games to run at resolutions 2-4 times greater than 1080p at double the framerate and texture quality without completely breaking the bank nowadays because......lol big/loud tower....

Even though you can easily build a quiet and small miniATX with powerful internals, pop in an xbox 360 wireless dongle, start up steam, and call it a day.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Hold your horses there buddy,

So its ok to for someone who only games on console to bicker about 900p vs 1080p and complain about the technical aspects of the weaker machine, yet its not ok for a PC gamer to recommend a machine that can downsample games to run at resolutions 2-4 times greater than 1080p at double the framerate and texture quality without completely breaking the bank nowadays because......lol big/loud tower....

Even though you can easily build a quiet and small miniATX with powerful internals, pop in an xbox 360 wireless dongle, start up steam, and call it a day.

Yes, when the conversation is about console gaming. IF the debate is which console should I get X1 or PS4, mentioning that you can get a PC is pretty damned ridiculous.

Why do so many people have such a hard time with this? Not everyone wants to game on a PC. Telling them they could have better graphics, etc. does nothing for the conversation at hand.

Honestly, the conversation of the thread: Best way to switch from X1 to PS4. Hey you should get a PC. That is your contribution?

 

[MrBambinoDent]

$357 is a very good offer imo!

 

[ZeroCDR]

$357 at GameStop? That's pretty good.

On eBay you could probably make up to $400, but after fees you'll probably make less than $357. Craigslist you might be able to get $350, but it's used and people are expecting a price drop I'm sure.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I don't know, I can respect your view, but I think the argument is really overstated. You can get a 12-month sub to either PS+ or Gold for $40 at the drop of a hat. Honestly, $80 a year is nothing at all. I pay more for Netflix or HBO per month than both Gold/PS+ combined. Add in the 'freebies' that come with either (PS+ mostly) and the argument seems more and more overstated.

I get that argument. But over the course of say five years of ownership that's hundreds of dollars in fees to simply play your games online. I get that there's some added value, but it still doesn't sit well with me. This is something that SHOULD be free. The money I would've spent on an X1 will go towards a PC.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Take your trade in and GTFO before they realize what's happening.

 

[BigDug13]

Maybe his friends went with PS4. Telling him he should keep his XBO makes no sense in that situation.

 

[DannyDanger]

No. Dire is urgent, indicating trouble, etc. The Wii U and Vita are dead.

the Wii U and Vita are sold for a profit right? Both nintendo and Sony probably make alot of extra cash even with only 10,000 - 20,0000 sold per week. Which is why even tho the extreme sales aren't there, the profit is. So they're not really THAT pressured to make changes. I could be wrong about the WiiU tho, because they haven't been profitable as a whole lately

 

[Freeman]

Wow, so MS is not the only one having trouble selling X1s? That doesn't bode well for them.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Yes, when the conversation is about console gaming. IF the debate is which console should I get X1 or PS4, mentioning that you can get a PC is pretty damned ridiculous.

Why do so many people have such a hard time with this? Not everyone wants to game on a PC. Telling them they could have better graphics, etc. does nothing for the conversation at hand.

At this point PC and console's aren't mutually exclusive, so I find this sort of argument a bit silly and have to side with the junior a bit on this one. If OP isn't interested in a PC, hey, that's fine. Doesn't mean someone can't mention the option at all without the daggers being drawn, or make an indirect reference to the platform so long as it hasn't been forbidden or put in precedent not to mention.

All over a damn quip on what would be the best version of Watchdogs.

Anyway, back OT, you should just trade it in. At the very least the $449.99 will become an official price at E3, and there is a slight

Spoiler

extremely slight

chance they may sell SKUs with only the unit at the $399.99 price point. Value is only going to decrease if it hasn't already. $357 is likely the best offer you'll get with the least hassle.

 

[RealityPales]

Play both, silly! Why limit yourself?

The whole console agnostic or bust approach is nonsensical to me. I'm not going to spend $1000 on consoles + $110 a month on subscriptions + games every other week.

I'm fine with PS4 and PC only for now. I don't have the time and or money to add WiiU and Xbox One into the mix.

Don't get me wrong - I would if I could. But... no.

 

[mrJared]

Hold your horses there buddy,

So its ok to for someone who only games on console to bicker about 900p vs 1080p and complain about the technical aspects of the weaker machine, yet its not ok for a PC gamer to recommend a machine that can downsample games to run at resolutions 2-4 times greater than 1080p at double the framerate and texture quality without completely breaking the bank nowadays because......lol big/loud tower....

Even though you can easily build a quiet and small miniATX with powerful internals, pop in an xbox 360 wireless dongle, start up steam, and call it a day.

You're right... when people at work mention they're are thinking of getting either an Xbox or PS4, I tell them " you crazy! get a PC, don't you know how easy it is to build one?!". I then give them a shopping list of about 10 or so items they need, which cost more than the console they wanted... but I just tell them to stop being cheap!

I say "after you get those things, take them out of the packaging, and the stuff just gets put together for you, it's crazy!". Most just look at me and walk away. They totally converted, I know it.

... others ask, can I play The Show on that... I just tell them "oh yeah, definitely".

totally converted.

all seriousness... console owners aren't necessarily PC owners. some of you keep struggling with that fact.

people who are looking at roku's and apple tvs, aren't necessarily console buyers, even though these consoles today are probably the best media players around. They are just looking for the best for their needs.

 

[Jimmy Rustle]

Yes, when the conversation is about console gaming. IF the debate is which console should I get X1 or PS4, mentioning that you can get a PC is pretty damned ridiculous.

Why do so many people have such a hard time with this? Not everyone wants to game on a PC. Telling them they could have better graphics, etc. does nothing for the conversation at hand.

Honestly, the conversation of the thread: Best way to switch from X1 to PS4. Hey you should get a PC. That is your contribution?

Sorry but, when the OP is in here talking about "2. Add a better GPU 3. Include an ARM processor" you can't help but recommend them a PC.

 

[LyleLanley]

In my local area (sf), people are selling Day 1 boxes for $65......on Craigslist lol

Or this with a MacBook lol

If I saw an Xbox 1 for $65 on Craigslist I'd just assume that I'm either getting scammed or robbed at some point.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

The whole console agnostic or bust approach is nonsensical to me. I'm not going to spend $1000 on consoles + $110 a month on subscriptions + games every other week.

I'm fine with PS4 and PC only for now. I don't have the time and or money to add WiiU and Xbox One into the mix.

Agreed, which is what I think the OP is doing. He/she cannot justify owning both X1/PS4, I cannot either which is why I only own the PS4. Later on, when the X1 is around $350 and there is a vast stable of exclusives then I'll jump on board.

I think you meant $110 a year for subscriptions, which as I already said earlier isn't quite accurate. You can easily get both X1 and PS4 subscriptions for $80 a year. I understand it though, it sucks to 'have' to pay regardless of the amount.

Sorry but, when the OP is in here talking about "2. Add a better GPU 3. Include an ARM processor" you can't help but recommend them a PC.

Context. He was discussing that is what MS could have done to make the X1 a better system. I'm sure the OP is keenly aware that PC gaming is an option, however, it is an option that he doesn't seem to want. So continually telling him he should go PC is again, really silly.

If I saw an Xbox 1 for $65 on Craigslist I'd just assume that I'm either getting scammed or robbed at some point.

It is the 'box' only, meaning the cardboard box.

 

[fluffydelusions]

$357?! Take the credits and run like you've robbed the place.

this right here. Just take the loss like a champ

 

[bishoptl]

Hold your horses there buddy,

So its ok to for someone who only games on console to bicker about 900p vs 1080p and complain about the technical aspects of the weaker machine, yet its not ok for a PC gamer to recommend a machine that can downsample games to run at resolutions 2-4 times greater than 1080p at double the framerate and texture quality without completely breaking the bank nowadays because......lol big/loud tower....

Even though you can easily build a quiet and small miniATX with powerful internals, pop in an xbox 360 wireless dongle, start up steam, and call it a day.

hey you, wrong thread.