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What's the consensus on Wolfenstein: The New Order?
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minkymuskyslyoldstoaty
Member
I enjoyed the first couple of hours, then lost interest.
A.D. Skinner
Member
Don't fuck this up you magnificent cunt.
You don't watch, read or play many things do you...this is basically life.
You don't watch, read or play many things do you...this is basically life.
Awesome single player campaign FPS with a meaty campaign of around 15 hours. You don't get that longevity in FPS's anymore. Not since before the HD-era. And I never played any Wolfenstein game in my life except for the original on some old Windows 95 PC in school during recess if it was raining lol.
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
lol
It's my "solid B-tier shooter" bracket. Shooters that are really fun, but not quite at the level of a Half-Life, System Shock, or BioShock for me.
There's a bit of replay value in choosing to go with Wyatt or Fergus, which also affects whether you get Tekla or J in the resistance with you.
It's not a ton of replay value, as that choice only changes a few cutscenes around, so you could just go watch those on YT and be just fine, too.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I'm the minority but I thought it was pretty bad.
Didn't even finish the last level.
Didn't even finish the last level.
On point. The new Doom might as well be on in that group if the suggestion is that Wolfenstein should be in that same group.
Wolfenstein TNO is amazing, as is Doom, yet they are still quite different. Metro LL is amazing, yet doesn't group well with either of these. Didn't care much at all for Crysis and Resistance.
Omotesando
Member
The gunplay is ok. I like shooting the guns, but the one dimensional nazi AI and enemies in general keep me away from finishing the game.
I had it when encountering those armored guys, that's some Army of Two tier shit right there.
I had it when encountering those armored guys, that's some Army of Two tier shit right there.
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Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
I liked or a fair amount. Not nearly as much as Doom as far a reboots good, but a solid 8.0 for me.
John Kowalski
Banned
To be fair now that I think about it, most guns just weren't very cool. I mean, they were ok, but there weren't a lot of them and they didn't really do anything very different from one another.
d00d3n
Member
Can you elaborate about this? I am a huge fan of Metro and really liked Wolfenstein TNO as well. Both are first person shooters with extensive gameplay subsystems for stealth. Both are notably story driven for their genre. What makes them so different that they can't even be compared?
Couldn't have said it better myself. Fucking amazing both of them.
Clunky? I've never heard that complaint before. What elements did you find to be so?
ffejeromdiks
Banned
I'm also wondering how the hell Crysis 2 is getting brought up with reverence in this thread, game was always trash.
I don't know about that, each gun had an alt fire essentially making two guns in one, ricochet shotgun rounds are wicked fun, as are AR rockets and armor melting laser shots, I feel like the weapon choices had everything I would have possibly wanted, although it would have been nice to have the final sniper rifle a lot earlier in the game rather than how late it comes into play.
New DOOM also proved that you didn't need a gargantuan arsenal, just a small focused set of weapons with alternate firing modes.
I don't know about that, each gun had an alt fire essentially making two guns in one, ricochet shotgun rounds are wicked fun, as are AR rockets and armor melting laser shots, I feel like the weapon choices had everything I would have possibly wanted, although it would have been nice to have the final sniper rifle a lot earlier in the game rather than how late it comes into play.
New DOOM also proved that you didn't need a gargantuan arsenal, just a small focused set of weapons with alternate firing modes.
Bingo. It's so cool to me that the grandfathers of the FPS genre both got fantastic modern updates.
I was OK with the ending, but the fact that the game basically did it's damnedest to brand you a terrorist was really strange. It's like the game was constantly at odds with itself about how it wanted to portray things. Or maybe that was their intention? OOOOOHHH
I also didn't like the shooting all that much, because of all the bullet sponge enemies. Had WAY more fun with Metro: Last Light that was mentioned in the OP. One of the best shooters in (more or less) recent years. Metro 2033 on the other hand though was atrocious and Crysis 2 at most servicable, so I wouldn't put them all in the same bracket.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Not better than metro by A decent margin. Is good but definitely over hyped.
Has some questionable levels overall
It's good but definitely has its low ball moments and areas.
Metro is still the best fps campaigns this gen with better overall levek design atmosphere and gameplay.
Not that they are perfect
Chip N Chance
Member
Just out of curiosity, since when did the internet come to the consensus that Crysis 2 was one of the best shooter campaigns? Im confused because i have never heard anyone talk about it since the week it was released. I actually played the game and really liked it, but i always thought i was in the minority considering i have never heard, or seen a thread talking about Crysis 2 lol. Just seems random.
Also Wolfenstein was a revelation in shooter campaign design that we hadn't seen in years leading up to it. Doom sort of capitalized on it while also doing different things. Wolf was so amazing. I never played the expansion though. One day.
Also Wolfenstein was a revelation in shooter campaign design that we hadn't seen in years leading up to it. Doom sort of capitalized on it while also doing different things. Wolf was so amazing. I never played the expansion though. One day.
Crysis 2: an actual bad game
Resistance 3: a solid shooter better than the game it's ripping off
Metro: a game that's more like being stuck in a conversation where you never feel like you can get a word in edgewise. Might be a great conversation, but it isn't quite as fun when your participation is so limited.
Wolfenstein: The New Order: quite possibly the best first person shooter since FEAR in 2005. This is not "solid game" bracket, this is "top ten all time first person shooters," proudly alongside Half-Life, Quake, FEAR, and Halo: Combat Evolved.
Resistance 3: a solid shooter better than the game it's ripping off
Metro: a game that's more like being stuck in a conversation where you never feel like you can get a word in edgewise. Might be a great conversation, but it isn't quite as fun when your participation is so limited.
Wolfenstein: The New Order: quite possibly the best first person shooter since FEAR in 2005. This is not "solid game" bracket, this is "top ten all time first person shooters," proudly alongside Half-Life, Quake, FEAR, and Halo: Combat Evolved.
Crysis 2 is better, its in the same league as those other games listed tho, Solid 7.5 story driven shooter, don't expect great things from the actual gunplay. Like the muppets who do it for killzone2 all the time, someone will post a gif of something like dual wielding shotguns and destroying a bunch of concrete as if it's proof of it being some sort of GOAT, its ultimately pretty hollow in the gameplay department.
socksfelloff
Member
I finally started this game today on pc and it's really fucking good so far(3 hours in)
I grew up playing pc shooters and I dislike today's modern console fps so Wolfenstien really speaks to me.
It has yesteryears fast paced movement, shoot everything that moves gameplay and combines it with modern features like a good story and constant auto saves.
It's great. Play it.
I grew up playing pc shooters and I dislike today's modern console fps so Wolfenstien really speaks to me.
It has yesteryears fast paced movement, shoot everything that moves gameplay and combines it with modern features like a good story and constant auto saves.
It's great. Play it.
Clint Beastwood
Banned
i never said it was
Being better than Crysis 2 and Metro isn't an accomplishment though...
Wrong.
Crysis 2 was disappointing compared to the first game, but still an OK FPS, Metro is great but it's more like a first person stealth game with a heavy story focus.
It's more polished than Metro (well at least before the Redux versions anyway).
Like I said above Metro is only barely a shooter. Not that that's bad or anything, but the gunplay isn't really the focus of the game, similar to how Wolfenstein is already a lot more story / set piece focused compared to the new Doom, which makes it kind of an apples and oranges comparison.
grosvenor_92
Member
Its definitely one of the best shooters that come out in the last few years
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
It's his prodigal son
deadscreensky
Member
It's really good and I definitely recommend it to every shooter fan, but the incredible levels of praise it gets from some quarters are honestly a little bewildering. There's some major flaws which really drag the combat pacing down, especially the ammo scavenger hunts, and the weapon and enemy variety is a little low for my tastes. (The Old Blood improves on those last two issues.) The pacing in general needed a lot more work, both in a larger sense but also with smaller aspects. For example you have things like 'the sewer diaries' which are severely hurt by having to pause every couple minutes and bring up a menu to listen to short little snippets. That's simply not the way to properly do audio diaries, and it's a shame because the actual storytelling going on is superb. The game has some rough edges, basically.
I suspect the game gets a lot of bonus points from certain gamers for the excellent, adult storytelling (particularly its serious themes) and the in some ways deliberately old-fashioned gameplay, like the already-mentioned ammo hunts as well as health pack hunts, though don't confuse the game for being especially old school -- it's Half-Life 2, not Wolfenstein 3D or even Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Great game, do play it, but maybe ignore some of the more strident Game of the Forever praise.
I suspect the game gets a lot of bonus points from certain gamers for the excellent, adult storytelling (particularly its serious themes) and the in some ways deliberately old-fashioned gameplay, like the already-mentioned ammo hunts as well as health pack hunts, though don't confuse the game for being especially old school -- it's Half-Life 2, not Wolfenstein 3D or even Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Great game, do play it, but maybe ignore some of the more strident Game of the Forever praise.
Shai-Tan
Banned
I'm playing it right now (started years ago, picked it up again recently when I became bored of Rise of the Tomb Raider). The semi stealth is decent but there's something a bit off about the shooting to me. The story setting up the levels in the resistance is stupid but I do like some of the characters and it does deserve credit for having down time and characterization. It's not on the level of The Last of Us but I did enjoy it. I didn't realize until I looked that some of the developers also made The Chronicles of Riddick which makes sense now considering the similarities in some of the game design (I played Riddick Dark Athena in supersampling a few years ago)
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the final act.
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the final act.
DirtyLarry
Member
Why repeat what has already been said so perfectly?
My feelings exactly.
Agree.
Whom_Gods_Annoy
Banned
8 out of 10. I like what it does, but as others have said, it never really lets you loose. It tells an interesting story with a surprisingly great protagonist (BJ might actually be one of my new favorite player characters) and some really good side characters. The gunplay is good, but probably the most overrated part of the game in my opinion, most notably for me was that all the guns had no feedback or "oomph" to them. Titanfall and Doom are my god tier 10/10 FPS choices this gen.
Sword Of Doom
Member
As a fan of single player FPS games I wish I liked this game but I don't. Just doesn't do it for me. DOOM does a much better job of being a modern FPS while being true to its old school roots. I don't know if it's the engine or what but the gameplay in Wolfenstein just feels sterile to me.
i think people expected the game to be a bit worse than it was so it kind of veers toward "overrated" territory on virtue of expectations. and no tacked-on MP only did it favors
a solid shooter, but kind of a one-and-done affair. i don't see myself going back to it and it doesn't particularly stand out in my mind
a solid shooter, but kind of a one-and-done affair. i don't see myself going back to it and it doesn't particularly stand out in my mind
It's easily better than Metro...especially the first one which is just dog shit of a game outside of atmosphere. The characters, set pieces, script, level design, encounter design and especially the gameplay in TNO are far better.
This is where I would rank it as well.
There has never been a game that rode the line between ridiculous, hilarious, poignant, and impactful so well. Similarly, it's gameplay style dances between modern and classic. It shouldn't work half as well as it does; however, the developers somehow managed to do everything at the same time successfully. A very impressive game...
breadtruck
Member
Its good, but I liked The Old Blood better. TOB has less of the slowdown story stuff and cutscenes, and more boom boom pew pew.