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What's up for the PS3 in Japan?
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PepsimanVsJoe
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Paracelsus said:
What the fuck?
biggkidd32
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I don't mind long development cycles if the game benefits from it. My beef is the lack of Japanese 1st party development within SONY.Paracelsus said:
Paracelsus
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OldJadedGamer
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arg2bad said:
To be fair, hasn't this exact same thing been said about the previous 2 TGS's?
PistolGrip said:
Wasn't MGS4 shown for the first time at E305 and released a month before E308?
PepsimanVsJoe
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Paracelsus said:
Yikes. What's taking L5? Even Dark Cloud came out only six months after the PS2.
This generation, Sony has spent a boatload of money developing Killzone 2, Resistance 1/2, MAG, Socom, and monyehatting Haze in an effort to pull the Halo fanbase away from the Xbox.
This generation, Microsoft has spent a boatload developing Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and moneyhatting Infinite Undiscovery, Trusty Bell, Star Ocean 4, and Tales of Verspersia in an attempt to pull the Final Fantasy fanbase away from the Playstation.
I'm not sure either attempt has been succesful: with the rare exception, despite the 360's massive RPG advantage, most people still don't think of the 360 as an RPG machine. Despite the Playstation's enormous wealth of shooters, the Xbox is still viewed as the Shooterbox. They're beating each other up.
This generation, Microsoft has spent a boatload developing Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and moneyhatting Infinite Undiscovery, Trusty Bell, Star Ocean 4, and Tales of Verspersia in an attempt to pull the Final Fantasy fanbase away from the Playstation.
I'm not sure either attempt has been succesful: with the rare exception, despite the 360's massive RPG advantage, most people still don't think of the 360 as an RPG machine. Despite the Playstation's enormous wealth of shooters, the Xbox is still viewed as the Shooterbox. They're beating each other up.
Paracelsus
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People talk. Maybe too much.
Wasn't FFXIII announced at E3 2006 and...?
-WindYoshi-
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travisbickle said:
Basically, the PS3 needs Monster Hunter 3.
biggkidd32
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Exactly. Very strange for people who invested on either console based on previous generational trends.Opiate said:
There are too many western developed titles on PS3 and most of these are FPS. The ironic thing is that even the most niche Japan-developed PS3 title like SIREN manages to sit on Media Create top 5 ranking during its first week whereas their western titles can't even achieve this.
What Sony need in Japan is consistent stream of quality Japan-developed titles not one-off resurgence like MGS4.
What Sony need in Japan is consistent stream of quality Japan-developed titles not one-off resurgence like MGS4.
OldJadedGamer
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Paracelsus said:
and... this further proves the point that Japanese Publishers aren't hesitant to show games no matter how far they are from release.
Opiate said:
I think Sony should have invested more in AAA Japanese games. Succesful Japanese games can also become hits in the US and Europe, while western developed games always fail on the Japanese market. They really have neglected Japan which led first to disappointing sales and then lost exclusives.
I bet it must suck for a Japanese PS3 gamer with no interest in western games because there's just about nothing interesting coming out. Western gamers are spoiled for choices. Between September and January there are so many quality titles coming out, it's ridiculous. There's now way I can afford all of those on day 1. Folks are even complaining about the overloaded release schedule. But Japanese gamers who want to play Japanese games only have almost nothing to look forward to.
Afrika
Eternal Sonata
X-Edge
That's it?
squatingyeti
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Does Sony need to be worried about the 360 lol? It's not like the 360 has outsold them for 2 months or something. It was a freaking week and we saw how badly the sales bottomed out after the launch week of BD. Sony would need to abandon releasing games in Japan for the 360 to even sniff the jockstrap of their current install base.
If we're talking about the Wii, disregard everything except Sony, sniff, and the jockstrap.
If we're talking about the Wii, disregard everything except Sony, sniff, and the jockstrap.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Nailed it, pretty much.Opiate said:
MassiveAttack
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ymmv said:
No one really knows. Hence the wait for early October.
painful fart
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Sony's trying to turn into Microsoft and Microsoft is trying to turn into Sony.
Isn't it amazing that the PS3 probably has more FPSs/ThirdPSs on it than 360? Resistance2, MAG, Socom, Killzone 2, etc. If anything, PS3 has become shooterbox this time around.
Good thing the 360 hardware is unreliable and that I'm not a big fan of the controller. Otherwise, I would've probably gotten that instead. Well, Blu-Rays are nice too.
But at least PS3 has a couple of decent rpgs coming out soon: Disgaea 3 and Valkyrie Chronicles.
Isn't it amazing that the PS3 probably has more FPSs/ThirdPSs on it than 360? Resistance2, MAG, Socom, Killzone 2, etc. If anything, PS3 has become shooterbox this time around.
Good thing the 360 hardware is unreliable and that I'm not a big fan of the controller. Otherwise, I would've probably gotten that instead. Well, Blu-Rays are nice too.
But at least PS3 has a couple of decent rpgs coming out soon: Disgaea 3 and Valkyrie Chronicles.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
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[Nintex] said:
There are/where only 24,000 360's in the WHOLE OF JAPAN?.....
PistolGrip
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Not all of course. Square being the biggest swinging 3rd party penis in JP, they can do these sort of things/OldJadedGamer said:
painful fart
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Ugh!
Weird wording in the article then.
Rapping Granny
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Opiate said:
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distantmantra
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squatingyeti said:
I don't care about sales. I care about games that I can actually play. I can't play sales.
Microsoft has big name third party Japanese developers churning out games for them on a steady basis. Can Sony say the same? I really wish they could, but no, they can't.
Green Biker Dude
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Sony should've started moneyhatting 3rd parties waaaay back, before shit like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Genji, Calling All Cars and co. came out. It's too late now. Even if the PS3 does get more games, they'd still have to get EVEN MORE because Microsoft will probably not slow down. Which means, it's already a lost battle.
I'm not that happy with the Xbox 360 lineup btw. I just can't see any hope for the PS3 unless Sony is sticking to that 10 year plan. I doubt they will, and even then, it's an uphill battle.
I'm not that happy with the Xbox 360 lineup btw. I just can't see any hope for the PS3 unless Sony is sticking to that 10 year plan. I doubt they will, and even then, it's an uphill battle.
Bearillusion
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If the gaming media did their job we would have the answers to these questions because they could actually ask Kaz etc when they get the chance. You can only dodge the question for so long. Instead they allow Sony to repaeat '10 years'.
BoilersFan23
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Haze was never money hatted. It was Free Radical themselves who wanted to make it PS3 exclusive. Sony supported the game because it was an actual exclusive (unlike most games these days).Opiate said:
Some might not think (which I think is the reason) that the main reason SO4, ToV, AC6, etc. went to 360 was because there were no PS3 development kits out when development started. Developers had a choice between developing on PS2 or 360, and many of them wanted to go next gen. Atlus chose to stick with PS2 while Namco chose to go 360.
Also, some developers have tried bringing stuff to PS3 (like Gundam Musou, DW6, etc.) and they didn't perform well on PS3, which is why they are ported to PS2. Since most of the PS fanbase or whatever hasn't upgraded in Japan, that's why many developers don't see a reason to move development onto PS3. Also, it doesn't help that PS3 development isn't exactly cheap (360 development is cheaper, and it's believed MS did give some developers free development kits in Japan). There was an article once where Japanese developer Hudson said PS3 Development was too pricey (like for retail games): http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/3353.html
That may explain why we see a decent amount of Japanese PSN games and not many Japanese retail games (I could see other developers thinking the same thing). I would not be surprised if many developers who would previously make games for SCEI/SCEJ, aren't with PS3 due to development kits being pricey (I believe, but I could be wrong, that some Japanese devs like the makers of Sky Gunner had an idea, but SCEI/SCEJ published it for them). I wouldn't be surprised if many of the smaller games you see going to 360 (such as various 2-D shooters) are because of PS3 development costs on retail games.
As for why Sony isn't developing many JRPGs themselves, I wouldn't be surprised if the performance of Rogue Galaxy has some impact on it (I believe it was Level 5's highest or 2nd highest budget game ever at the time, and their goal was to make it a DQ/FF level game, and that wasn't the case, although I like it). Arc The Lad was popular during the PS1 era and started performing worse on PS2. PoPoLoCrois was the same way I believe.
Why do you expect Sony to do anything with their console? See PSP? They wait for years doing nothing until Monster Hunter Portable came out and raise the machine popularity among gamers.
PS3 will face the same fate. If 3rd party do nothing then i would die. If Sony really keen to make a move then you won't see many multiplatform and exclusive RPG on xbox360 like it is now.
Maybe their main work now is praying to god waiting for 3rd party game to make a hit on PS3 and that's it.
PS3 will face the same fate. If 3rd party do nothing then i would die. If Sony really keen to make a move then you won't see many multiplatform and exclusive RPG on xbox360 like it is now.
Maybe their main work now is praying to god waiting for 3rd party game to make a hit on PS3 and that's it.
Monster Hunter 3 on PS3 would have done great justice, but I guess they're happy with MHPG2 on PSP.
In all seriousness though, there really isn't much to look forward to in Japan. People say "wait for TGS" but it's funny, how many of last year's titles shown got a release this year? MGS4? Is that it?
Where is my White Knight Story? FFXIII(well this one was obviously not a '08 title....)? GT4? Look what's going to happen this TGS. These games will be shown again, and hopefully a release date. But within this year? Highly doubt it.
I hate to bash the system because there have been decent releases like Siren NT, but it's not a mainstream title. They need more titles to keep people excited but it's just not there. Hardcore J-RPG gamers are even more excited about the 360 more than the PS3.
In all seriousness though, there really isn't much to look forward to in Japan. People say "wait for TGS" but it's funny, how many of last year's titles shown got a release this year? MGS4? Is that it?
Where is my White Knight Story? FFXIII(well this one was obviously not a '08 title....)? GT4? Look what's going to happen this TGS. These games will be shown again, and hopefully a release date. But within this year? Highly doubt it.
I hate to bash the system because there have been decent releases like Siren NT, but it's not a mainstream title. They need more titles to keep people excited but it's just not there. Hardcore J-RPG gamers are even more excited about the 360 more than the PS3.
Moor-Angol
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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
360 sells around 4k units every week, so you must not be surprised about these numbers
neverknowsbest
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There are probably a couple of JRPGs being worked on that haven't been announced yet, like how ToV was a bit of a surprise from Namco. But I think the PS3 came out at a weird time for Japanese devs, with some being split between PS2 and 360 like mentioned above, and with its lackluster sales maybe some are holding off. So Sony better have some tricks up their sleeve...
BoilersFan23
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I really don't think Monster Hunter would have the big success on PS3 like it did on PSP. I mean, even the PS2 Monster Hunter games just didn't perform as well as they did on PSP. Phantasy Star is performing better on PSP compared to consoles. I just think it's a matter of that type of game fitting the handheld.Troidal said:
WKC is like DQIX right now. Level 5 hasn't given anyone a single update about any of their games (I do believe) in quite a long time. I think you mean GT5. The main reason we are not seeing a new main GT so quick has to do with development. I remember the GT producer said something like creating a car on PS1 took a day, PS2 it took around a week or two, while creating a car on PS2 takes several months. Just you try to create the same number of cars GT4 has on PS3, that just takes a really long time to do. I remember there being a thread here where the developers were thinking of bringing GT5 to PC since it's development cost was so high.
I'm not too sure about that since the Japanese most wanted chart has 5 PS3 games (two of them multi) and just one 360 game (IU) listed in the top 15. I mean it doesn't mean what's high sells well, but it might show hardcore having more of an interests on PS3.
Pretty much. MS timed 360 in ways when many developers were ready to move onto new projects (and there were no PS3 development kits out). If PS3 sales were spectacular in Japan, there's no doubt many more devs would have looked into developing PS3 exclusives. But since Wii is the top selling console (I remember seeing an article about big Japanese publishers like Sega, Namco/Bandai, and Capcom moving PS3/PSP development to Wii/DS due to sales) and game sales on PS2 are still good, developers are probably considering sticking with last gen instead (those who don't really care about graphics).neverknowsbest said:
Brofist
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Weisheit said:
No amount of ascii art is going to make you any more right.
Wii sells to a different crowd than the typical RPG players. That doesn't mean anything though. RPGs would bring the Wii to even new heights, like it did for the the DS. To say they are irrelevant is plain wrong.
Brofist
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Weisheit said:
My bad for some reason I thought you had used the term irrelevant.
Still I think you underestimate the genre. I can't think of another genre in which a rerelease of an old game can be almost an automatic million seller.
Call me in 10 years when Wii Sports is rereleased, I doubt anyone will give a shit.
Well, I guess we'll find out in the coming months (and years). Like I alluded to earlier the 360 has had a very decent stream of JRPG's, and, well....thetrin said:
Don't think that's a fair comparison considering the genre. Wii Sports 2 however will likely outsell FF13.
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