texhnolyze
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I wouldn't say I hate it. But with 3 months left they have, it's not looking good.
Count me in.
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What's up with all the FFXV hate?
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Nope.
This makes total sense in the same way that all they can carry a ton of items. Might as well make the sword have the same reality of the x99 Potions, Elixirs, and Ethers.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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This thread did nothing but fan the flames
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
No.
It's a nice new it of innovation that they are doing a lot with, it's the kind of stuff developers should be doing in 2016. I'll take that over the bland combat systems I've experienced in Elder Scrolls or The Witcher.
zswordsman
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This, game looked cool ten years ago but I was also in middle school back then so of course corny shit like that looked cool. Now it's just cringy and feels try hard. Especially with all the latin phrases and Jpop outfits. Feels like an anime :/ a bad one.
That and the disdain of a ten year dev cycle. I don't really care about it anymore, I mean I'll play it but I'm not hyped nor think I'll be hyped from here to release. Also that one demo with kid Noctus sucked so I'm already even more weary of the game. Hopefully it's good though.
sublimit
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Yup i completely agree with this post.
OmegaDL50
Member
Uhh, I definitely wouldn't call FFXIII high fantasy. With it's futuristic cities and military-state (PSICOM) that use advanced technological weaponry with machine-like beings acting like gods (Fal'cie)
Besides FFXIV which was an online game. Almost every single mainline, non-re-release FF has been either a heavy Sci-fi / futuristic setting.
Even FFXV is taking place in a modern setting with some technological bits thrown in. Hopefully XVI is a single player FF that returns to a high fantasy setting.
lightchris
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I don't think this is it at all. You can like the "fantasy based on reality" concept and still dislike the designs, just as well as you can like medieval settings and still dislike a specific one.
I for one have no problems with a modern-but-not-too-advanced world, in fact my favorite FF isn't medieval in the slightest and isn't futuristic either. I'm still disappointed with how FF15 does things. I hope I'll like the game anyway though.
Sorry.
That was meant to be XII but phone auto corrected it to XIII.
Strongly disagree on games too.
Fantasy - XI, XII, and XIV.
Sci Fi - XIII and XV. It's equal if we add X to this but it is just as easily Fantasy as it is Sci Fi.
Dice
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I'm really hyped for the game. I loved the demo on Xbone. It has a nice quality to it, something I can't explain.
...it also has trash performance...
...and that titan boss fight at E3 so goddamn terrible just wow...
...but it also seems like it'll be cool and a fun experience overall.
...it also has trash performance...
...and that titan boss fight at E3 so goddamn terrible just wow...
...but it also seems like it'll be cool and a fun experience overall.
jetsetnickradio
Member
I don't hate it.
I love Final Fantasy and I've been looking forward to this game since it was originally announced. I don't just want it to be good, I want it to be amazing.
That being said, the demos released so far has been interesting but also very rough. The Xbox E3 presentation was painfully hard to watch and the trailer that played during Sony's conference was pretty bad, too.
I'm scared that the game is going to come out and it's going to be a joy to watch and listen to but an absolute nightmare to play.
I love Final Fantasy and I've been looking forward to this game since it was originally announced. I don't just want it to be good, I want it to be amazing.
That being said, the demos released so far has been interesting but also very rough. The Xbox E3 presentation was painfully hard to watch and the trailer that played during Sony's conference was pretty bad, too.
I'm scared that the game is going to come out and it's going to be a joy to watch and listen to but an absolute nightmare to play.
The world of fantasy threads are the worst.
LowParry
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I'm 100% in. Even though they really fucked up that demo with MS and gave us some weird trailer for Sony, I'm still in. Combat looks interesting and with the whole combined magic they got going on, let's do this. I don't believe the game will be some game changer but I think it'll be a game people will pay attention to and will want to play once the dust settles after the release. Hell, we could get some patch work to help give the game more stability like what they did with Witcher 3. Time will tell. Just market the game right and get the hype going on.
birthbysleep
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I wouldn't be surprised if Tabata has no idea. SE marketing themselves are clueless, they think it's one of the greatest video game trailers ever.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Nomura knows how to handle the presentation side of his projects not only through great trailers, but also through how he handles his showings.
We've seen barely anything of KH3 for 3 years but the excitement for it will be crazy because he hasn't been showing dozens of concepts and trailers every few months. Instead he recognises that it's best to show nothing at all if all you have are unfinished vertical slices.
FFVII Remake is being handled in a similar way.
It's too late now for XV so they really need to nail the last 2.5 months in both development and how they present it.
We've seen barely anything of KH3 for 3 years but the excitement for it will be crazy because he hasn't been showing dozens of concepts and trailers every few months. Instead he recognises that it's best to show nothing at all if all you have are unfinished vertical slices.
FFVII Remake is being handled in a similar way.
It's too late now for XV so they really need to nail the last 2.5 months in both development and how they present it.
He has a terrible habit of announcing games too early though.
I don't know about the hate but at this point Final fantasy series is like a dead horse that Squeenix keeps beating up. I have heard that XIV is okay now, i played in launch and aside from music it was just meh, XII wasn't any good either, i just personally don't care about Final fantasy anymore, stuff like Bravely default evokes the older qualities of final fantasy much more than the newer stuff that i just don't like at all.
Again I kind of repeat this almost in every thread when this kind of thing pops up.
You can't possibly know this is gonna be a huge disaster of a game when you haven't played it fully. Just like I can't possibly know this game is going to get rave reviews across the board because I haven't played the full game.
That's hardly his hobby though. SE usually announce a shit load of games at the beginning of each gen so that people will go buy the consoles. Looking at Japanese's console market, can't say they are wrong.
shinra-bansho
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It looks like a hot mess.
But I'll still get it. Whatever.
But I'll still get it. Whatever.
Yep, like out of nowhere. I can't get used to it. Sometimes i see them fighting with the intention that a weapon will pop in their hands so they do atk moves sometimes with their bare hands. But it just looks so jarring to me.
Plus it just makes the weapon seem so weightless and weak, not like monster hunter where they struggle to lift their weapon and the impact it causes fks up the monsters they're fighting badly.
And here you have noctis who looks weak as fk blocking and reflecting titan's punch, WTF!?!? Now that rubs me the wrong way. I guess they did try to make him sound tougher, atleast in this English version but he just don't look tough enough, he looks emo...imo tbh
sublimit
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I would hazzard a guess that the marketing departments of Eidos (Square Enix Europe) were behind this decision.
One of the main reasons Square aquired Eidos in the first place was their suppossed better understanding of marketing for Western target groups.
If its not successful enough, they may not want to take on a project this large again. Anything to do with Nova Crystalis has largely been a disaster.
Going forward, I really feel like it would be best to have Eidos lead the tech and take it out of the hands of Squeenix completely. Basically, they should be doing what Sony, EA, Capcom, and others do. Give it to a team to a competent team to develop an engine the rest of the studios will use.
Telephone Man
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I don't care for XV (being a non-turn based FF with less control over your allies than XII & Versus is off-putting), but I'm not seeing much hate. If at all.
Only common complaints I'm seeing are that it's still rough looking, and the Platinum Demo was a tech demo.
Only common complaints I'm seeing are that it's still rough looking, and the Platinum Demo was a tech demo.
Thejackburton
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All the demos have sucked, terrible performance and I think most people just don't think the battle system looks/is fun.
I personally think it would have been awesome as a character action game with the scale of a final fantasy game/semi open world.
The creator constantly gets asked about the battle system which means people have no faith in it.
I personally think it would have been awesome as a character action game with the scale of a final fantasy game/semi open world.
The creator constantly gets asked about the battle system which means people have no faith in it.
i would absolutely lose it if i was making a game like Versus/XV and this is how my characters are used in marketing at the biggest conference of the year months before release
BossDarkseid
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You're right, high fantasy is the wrong word. What I mean is that the Nomura aesthetics that have dominated the series since VII need to go. They've lost their freshness, and feel dated and corny.
Just because its an arpg and that the wait mode was announced(optional) it's not a final fantasy?
Final Fantasy evolves and just because you're dismissing it as a final fantasy game for these reasons baffles me.
You do realize there are just as many games that doesn't have Nomura as the main designer since VII and it's his games aside from one have the best sales and some of the highest ratings right?
Nomura - VII, VIII, X, XIII.
Not Nomura - IX, XI, XIII, XIV
OmegaDL50
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Even FF1 had Sci-Fi elements. the evidence of an advanced civilization ran by Robots, a flying city guarded by mechanical sentries (Warmech), I'm specifically talking about the history of the Lufenians, the last functional Robot you receive the Warp Cube to get access to the Flying Castle to fight Tiamat.
Sci-Fi aspects has been littered throughout the series since even the very first game.
Sci-Fi aspects has been littered throughout the series since even the very first game.
I don't think it's really hate, I think the biggest problem is how it's been marketted and shown off lately. Just feels a lot of stuff ends up being like "Oh well this will change in the main game", so people are getting concerned how performance wise and maybe even combat wise, how this game is going to improve quite a bit in 3 months.
The E3 re-reveal trailer and the TGS trailer were both the best, since then marketting hasn't gone so well.
Combat is a little concerning to me, but I also see it as more enjoyable than turn based combat, so it's still better than a traditional FF to me, the question is whether this combat system is going to be better than the KH combat system it originally would have had? Weapon switching and warping seems the best mechanics it has, defense wise is the area of concern for me, doesn't seem good enough how defense in mid-air works.
Frame rate and performance wise, I think they will manage to optimise it for launch, the only other thing I hope they can do is as well is implement better AA, as it would make the game look so much better at times.
Hearing it has around 200 hours of content has hyped me up even more for it really, and 50 of them are for the main story alone, as length of the game was also something I was a little concerned about too.
The E3 re-reveal trailer and the TGS trailer were both the best, since then marketting hasn't gone so well.
Combat is a little concerning to me, but I also see it as more enjoyable than turn based combat, so it's still better than a traditional FF to me, the question is whether this combat system is going to be better than the KH combat system it originally would have had? Weapon switching and warping seems the best mechanics it has, defense wise is the area of concern for me, doesn't seem good enough how defense in mid-air works.
Frame rate and performance wise, I think they will manage to optimise it for launch, the only other thing I hope they can do is as well is implement better AA, as it would make the game look so much better at times.
Hearing it has around 200 hours of content has hyped me up even more for it really, and 50 of them are for the main story alone, as length of the game was also something I was a little concerned about too.
Stilton Disco
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I've found the demo's very underwhelming, the trailers graphically impressive but characters, implied story, and aesthetic boring, can't imagine dozens of hours spent with those awful looking, dull as ditch water 4 main party members being anything other than a chore once the spectacle wears off, the combat is nothing special, and it's all just generally so charmless.
More broadly, I hated the FFXIII Trilogy and found FF Type 0 kind of a miserable experience, so I'm not exactly filled with confidence that it will actually turn out alright.
I'm far more excited about World of Final Fantasy, which is very much more in the style and general 'vibe' of what I want from one of these games, even if the overly drawn out combat and horribly bloated 100+ hour main storyline are a little off putting.
More broadly, I hated the FFXIII Trilogy and found FF Type 0 kind of a miserable experience, so I'm not exactly filled with confidence that it will actually turn out alright.
I'm far more excited about World of Final Fantasy, which is very much more in the style and general 'vibe' of what I want from one of these games, even if the overly drawn out combat and horribly bloated 100+ hour main storyline are a little off putting.
Nomura didn't dominate anything. FFXII is pure fantasy, while FFXIII is pure si-fi, XIV is more in-line with XII and the old FF games, and now we have XV which is a blend of modern and fantasy. The thing is XV should have been released five years ago. We've been stuck with it for a decade, which creates an illusion that Nomura has been around forever.
matrix-cat
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I was actually totally intending to buy it until I played the Platinum demo. Game feels like absolute shit to play. Like, no hyperbole, it just feels straight up bad. I don't think anyone would be trying to defend it if it wasn't a Final Fantasy game; if it was just some new IP and it played like this you'd dump it straight away. It's exactly the wrong mix between turn-based RPG and action gameplay. You either hold the buttons down and watch while the game plays itself, or you tap the buttons and suffer through the most unresponsive action game you've ever played.
I mean, maybe it gets more complicated when you have more abilities later in the game, but I wouldn't know from that fucking E3 demo they showed. A giant man swipes his forearm at you and you dodge it for three straight minutes. I couldn't believe they'd picked that part to show on stage.
I mean, maybe it gets more complicated when you have more abilities later in the game, but I wouldn't know from that fucking E3 demo they showed. A giant man swipes his forearm at you and you dodge it for three straight minutes. I couldn't believe they'd picked that part to show on stage.
Don't worry OP, there are a lot of people that are excited enthusiastic for this game 
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Not liking the game is one thing. But i think there are some people that really WISH and HOPE that this game is bad and fails and are nitpicking to an extreme. what i frankly don't really understand.
.Not liking the game is one thing. But i think there are some people that really WISH and HOPE that this game is bad and fails and are nitpicking to an extreme. what i frankly don't really understand.