DrROBschiz
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Yup thats an easy impression to get
While Zelda on the other hand... seems to be employing all these different mechanical changes in an organic fashion while maintaining a steady theme
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What's up with all the FFXV hate?
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Yup thats an easy impression to get
While Zelda on the other hand... seems to be employing all these different mechanical changes in an organic fashion while maintaining a steady theme
The story, characters, and the constant changing of systems. There seems to be this disjointed vision built on the remains of the game's original ideas that's sort of becoming more and more evident as more is revealed.
mekes
Member
I haven't been hating on the game, but I understand the general discontent from those that have been. Its clear that this is going to be a different FF experience, but I think a lot of people were really hoping for a return to form after the FF13 trilogy. A lot of what has been shown so far has failed to capture the attention or build interest amongst a lot of fans. Poor demo choices, the game so often being in the spotlight, the PR for the game. Its awkard to control and the battle system imo hasn't been fun to learn or play with.
Maybe it just all needs to be polished, ready for release. Or maybe its just another misfire from those at Square. We will find out, but this game so far has earned its doubters.
Maybe it just all needs to be polished, ready for release. Or maybe its just another misfire from those at Square. We will find out, but this game so far has earned its doubters.
semiconscious
Member
if you say so, son. all i've seen (including playing 2 demos) is an over-elaborate mess with a major identity crisis...
nice knowing i'm in good company
...mikefrails
Banned
The people complaining wouldn't play it anyway. The hype makes them feel like they have to comment on it.
wesleyshark
Banned
My problem with it isn't a technical one. I just have zero interest in the main roster of characters. None of them look particularly interesting to me, and it has literally killed my desire to buy this one.
Personal and subjective gripe.
Personal and subjective gripe.
Agreed.
I don't have a problem with an arpg FF in concept. The problem is that apparently no one thought to check out other games in the genre to see what works and what fails miserably. Although, I guess part of the problem goes back to the promise of a protagonist with super-hero powers.
Hopefully, FF7r has a better direction for the series to take as it's supposedly very strategic.
1) 10 year development with no clear vision. The story/setting/changes could be interesting but have a higher chance of just emphasising the worst aspects of FF with nothing to fall back on.
2) The XIII fiasco (x3!).
3) The pedigree in charge.
4) Every piece of marketing has manged to be worse than the last.
5) It feels like it should be a spin off, but I'm guessing because of 1), they need to maximise its possible success.
(not really a point, but) 6) XII is getting a remaster with the Zodiac system and I'd rather devote my FF enthusiasm to something that I have a huge chance of enjoying rather than going through another denial period that new Final Fantasys can be good anymore (XIV not withstanding, I just don't have interest in MMOs).
2) The XIII fiasco (x3!).
3) The pedigree in charge.
4) Every piece of marketing has manged to be worse than the last.
5) It feels like it should be a spin off, but I'm guessing because of 1), they need to maximise its possible success.
(not really a point, but) 6) XII is getting a remaster with the Zodiac system and I'd rather devote my FF enthusiasm to something that I have a huge chance of enjoying rather than going through another denial period that new Final Fantasys can be good anymore (XIV not withstanding, I just don't have interest in MMOs).
What do the changes have to do with this? If anything they were made to streamline the whole mess. As if Nomura had a focused manageable vision in comparison. Epic, dramatic story, lighthearted roadtrip, huge seamless world, free traversal with cars and airships, explorable cities, lots of minigames, character-switching with 4 completely different battle-mechanics, crazy setpieces, dynamic large-scale battles seamlessy going from inside to outside of buildings etc... Versus XIII was supposed to be all this, which was ridiculously delusional and obviously too overambitious for last-gen and SE in general in that era. And then he even wanted FFXV to be a trilogy when he was still the director in 2013. We probably would've had to wait another 10 years to get the whole thing and probably until 2017 for the first episode.
Kssio_Aug
Member
I think they kind bring it to themselves with a 10 years development. But, to be honest, I don't see that much of a hate... I see people insecure about it (as I am), and not so hyped as they would usually be with a new Final Fantasy game. But again, that's totally normal... we're getting FFXV news ever since 2006.
At this point I'm just trying not to create any big expectation till release, when I'll finally allow myself to jump in the hype train, if the game turns out being good.
Also, their last main game (Final Fantasy XIII 1~3) was pretty shitty. So I have to wait and see if SE managed to do something trully better now. I still couldn't play the Episode Duscae.
At this point I'm just trying not to create any big expectation till release, when I'll finally allow myself to jump in the hype train, if the game turns out being good.
Also, their last main game (Final Fantasy XIII 1~3) was pretty shitty. So I have to wait and see if SE managed to do something trully better now. I still couldn't play the Episode Duscae.
PumpkinPie
Banned
It looks totally lifeless, and the battle system, the main aspect of FF, looks terrible.
YoRHa No.2 Type B
Banned
FFXVR Pachinko incoming.
vix
Member
That trailer with Noctis and all the soldiers and the swords sold me on the game all those years ago. But what I'm seeing now looks like a shell of what that was when it was Versus. I'm still going to get it. It just might not be at launch. Who knows though. Anything can happen between now and the release date. Maybe they are keeping more secrets than we know.
semiconscious
Member
uh, no. i can't be the only one unhappy with what i've seen who's played & enjoyed every other final fantasy game (well, up to the xiii trilogy, anyway). you personally may not like it, but there're indeed some of us who're serious fans of the series that are genuinely disappointed by all this...
Kssio_Aug
Member
Yes, and this as well. When a game that had a solid gameplay presentation YEARS back (I guess back then in 2008?) get delayed this much, it certainly means it's suffering issues in development. That said, 10 years with constant development issues, may bring this kind of consequences!
I haven't played Episode Duscae, but I'm pretty sure it could have been an amazing game if they released it past gen, certainly a better game overall than it will be now. That first gameplay they've shown felt amazing, and much different than what it is. Then, they could have done a new Final Fantasy, from scratch, with everything they're envisioning now.
I mean, that looked pretty amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ7MwTXYLpg
I guess we have Nomura's relentlessness to thank for whatever XV is as much as anything.
Is the guy with the the katana confirmed as a guest?
Have they talked about other guests?
One of the things I like about old ff was guessing who will end up in my party.
You seem to get them all from the start in this game.
Another thing is that this characters seem to be so out if place in this new world. They would look great in a city at night context, but in a desert?
Now they seem to have ruined the umbrella-fedora guy. He's all over the place, and he looks more out of context that the main cast.
Have they talked about other guests?
One of the things I like about old ff was guessing who will end up in my party.
You seem to get them all from the start in this game.
Another thing is that this characters seem to be so out if place in this new world. They would look great in a city at night context, but in a desert?
Now they seem to have ruined the umbrella-fedora guy. He's all over the place, and he looks more out of context that the main cast.
Ganondorfo
Junior Member
How can there be hate for a game that isnt even released yet? Lets wait out for the full release before complaining. They didnt even show everything in the trailer. So everything is still a mystery.
NoctisVsStar
Member
You start with your party from the beginning. Guests are just guests like KH.. And yes Cor is in the game.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
All of FFXV main stage/big event demos seem awful, but then Square releases smaller demos and trailers on their youtube that look better. So people just sort of fluctuate on FFXV.
mikefrails
Banned
Disappointed by what exactly?
Yeah, Cor's a guest member, see the Reclaim Your Throne extended trailer:
Also there's a yet unknown girl sitting in their car in that trailer:
Luna was supposed to join your team as a guest, but apparently that was changed recently. They said there will be several guest members, though.
NoctisVsStar
Member
All that Kagari means is that original premise is gone that's all. Everyone is attached to Versus even if the game ends up being good we will always wonder about the original vision. This isn't even the same game that was revealed at e3 2013. I mean shit the original opening got remixed into a movie ( kingsglaive)
To be fair pretty much every game goes through dramatic changes in development (presumably very few as much as FFXV I'll grant you). Problem is that fans got to see it happen. If you saw recent footage of FFXV only from Duscae onward, you'd probably have a very different opinion of the game - Platinum and Titan demos notwithstanding (I'm choosing to believe those were both some weird anomalies). I definitely don't think the notion that only the original version of a game can be considered true to the creator's vision is a valid idea (not that you're saying that specifically).
Gunmonkey36
Member
The game looks different everytime they show it. Like maybe they are just selecting random highlights but it looks entirely disjointed. The battle systems also look a bit spastic in comparison to other games like kingdom hearts.
It's still preordered for me, and I'm still very excited for its story, music, and so on, but...
... I would never for the life of me play it for the gameplay. I didn't like it in the Duscae demo, I didn't like it in the Platinum demo and from everything they showed it doesn't look like I'll like it in the final game. The combat system feels very clunky and not nearly as fun as KH's battle systems which this is supposedly based on. It feels like Tabata mixed it with Type-0's combat system (which was serviceable at best) and added some physics-based elements to it: ragdoll knockbacks, etc. (which contributes to realism but almost never makes a game more fun). It's just poor design, and there seems to be an overall lack of polish to it as well, probably due to the constant changing of systems and the disjointed vision mentioned by others here. That's probably my main complaint about everything we've seen so far.
... they really have poor marketing. Everything they showed off at E3 was terrible. They constantly release screenshots with poor IQ. We still haven't heard that much of Shimomura's music. They never show anything that takes place in the better-looking environments of the game (from the World of Wonder trailer), presumably due to spoilers, but then show off
, and reveal that it is the ending of the game? ... Why?
... the English voice direction absolutely sucks so far.
... all of Tabata's character design changes so far feel like downgrades from Nomura's designs (Regis, Stella). Maybe their role in the story has been upgraded and I'm looking forward to that, but the characters look less interesting.
... the success of an FF game's story relies heavily on its variety of main characters, so they decide to give us 4 characters with the same type of clothes and very little personality (from what we've seen). Good job, Tabata, Nomura and marketing team.
In my opinion, Versus XIII should just have been cancelled or postponed when Nomura had to switch to FFVIIr and KH3 (since this is what caused a lot of the fans' worries and the game's identity crisis), and Tabata shouldn't have been placed in the role of "bringing back FF to its glory days", since the only games he's directed have been so-so. But who knows, maybe this one will be good.
... I would never for the life of me play it for the gameplay. I didn't like it in the Duscae demo, I didn't like it in the Platinum demo and from everything they showed it doesn't look like I'll like it in the final game. The combat system feels very clunky and not nearly as fun as KH's battle systems which this is supposedly based on. It feels like Tabata mixed it with Type-0's combat system (which was serviceable at best) and added some physics-based elements to it: ragdoll knockbacks, etc. (which contributes to realism but almost never makes a game more fun). It's just poor design, and there seems to be an overall lack of polish to it as well, probably due to the constant changing of systems and the disjointed vision mentioned by others here. That's probably my main complaint about everything we've seen so far.
... they really have poor marketing. Everything they showed off at E3 was terrible. They constantly release screenshots with poor IQ. We still haven't heard that much of Shimomura's music. They never show anything that takes place in the better-looking environments of the game (from the World of Wonder trailer), presumably due to spoilers, but then show off
Insomnia and Ardyn in the throne room
... the English voice direction absolutely sucks so far.
... all of Tabata's character design changes so far feel like downgrades from Nomura's designs (Regis, Stella). Maybe their role in the story has been upgraded and I'm looking forward to that, but the characters look less interesting.
... the success of an FF game's story relies heavily on its variety of main characters, so they decide to give us 4 characters with the same type of clothes and very little personality (from what we've seen). Good job, Tabata, Nomura and marketing team.
In my opinion, Versus XIII should just have been cancelled or postponed when Nomura had to switch to FFVIIr and KH3 (since this is what caused a lot of the fans' worries and the game's identity crisis), and Tabata shouldn't have been placed in the role of "bringing back FF to its glory days", since the only games he's directed have been so-so. But who knows, maybe this one will be good.
Same, I'll always have fond memories of Versus. But I'm still just as hype. The battle system is really fun to me.
The only thing that's bothering me is the AA i guess? The hair and stuff looks pretty bad to me lol.
But besides that I'm excited.
NoctisVsStar
Member
The change of directors is what led to this. When the original visionary gets the boot and you have someone coming from the bench trying his best with a material that isn't his to begin with.
nope, i loved it too. that battle system is bad ass. put a ton of time in ffxiii
To be fair, his ambitious vision as the base is what makes FFXV so special premise-wise, but it was clearly too much for its time.
Anyway, even if FFXV turns out only decent but with a lot of potential, FFXVI will be able to start with a clean slate and build on all the new-found development experience and technology SE gained during FFXV's development.
Hate is a strong word; I'm moreso just worried for the game. I actually really dig the bro banter/roadtrip aspect of the game, I think the game visually look beautiful and the soundtrack sounds amazing. It's just everything else is kind of...ehhh for me. I played the Platinum demo and while I wouldn't say it was awful, the combat I was still very mixed on and if I'm gonna play the game for 50~ hours with that combat, I hope it gets better. The demos/footage shown at E3 isn't really convincing me otherwise that it'll be a super fun must play game for me.
I hope FFXV is better than I expect once it comes out, but otherwise, I'm not really in any rush to buy it.
I hope FFXV is better than I expect once it comes out, but otherwise, I'm not really in any rush to buy it.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
The only thubgs that have made me fearful about the game have been the Microsoft E3 demo and the Iron Giant and Behemoth fights. This is mainly due to yhe fact that I'm afraid the combat is just gonna fall apart when fighting large enemiea and result in either simplistic QTEs or extremely unfair enemt advantages in which the developers will be forced to make the game way easier for people to get through.
Am I still excited though? Yes. The world seems to be one of the most fascinating settings in gaming with its combination of fantasy and reality. The creature design is absolutely wonderful taking the original Amano drawinga bringing them to life. The cities give me the best vibes of FF7 and FF8. The story itself seems like a return to the simplistic beginnings of FF which Ivealways enjoyed.
I don't even think I'll hate this game if it's bad. I'll just be saddened. That being said, I have hope, for there have been enough positive impressions even from this E3 to keep mw excited.
Am I still excited though? Yes. The world seems to be one of the most fascinating settings in gaming with its combination of fantasy and reality. The creature design is absolutely wonderful taking the original Amano drawinga bringing them to life. The cities give me the best vibes of FF7 and FF8. The story itself seems like a return to the simplistic beginnings of FF which Ivealways enjoyed.
I don't even think I'll hate this game if it's bad. I'll just be saddened. That being said, I have hope, for there have been enough positive impressions even from this E3 to keep mw excited.
Dangansona
Member
This is extremely frustrating.
And so is this to me. I'm really so tired of the "this isn't Final Fantasy" complaints. There are probably 30+ games in the series including spin offs and they are all different from each other in terms of gameplay, setting, and tone. Maybe it's easier for me to accept this because I came to the series late, but all I expect out of a Final Fantasy Game is that's it's a fun, pretty, well scored JRPG with crystals, chocobos, the same set of spells and items. That's it.
And the idea that Square is beyond ever making a "good" Final Fantasy is also frustrating when you accept this fact. There is no reason why XVI couldn't be amazing. And I don't think it's useful to use this game as a barometer for anything because what are the chances of a game of this scope coming out as good as "classic" Final Fantasy after the development hell it went through? That's where skepticism makes sense.
Amen to that.
semiconscious
Member
well, this thread is loaded with examples of what people are disappointed with. for myself, mostly it's that the game doesn't really seem to have a distinctive identity (aside from 'rich spoiled road trip bros', which i personally find seriously unappealing), & that the combat system, imo, is the complete opposite of 'intuitive'
...I don't hate ff15 but I feel like they showed it way too early and continued to allow people to see a work in progress. This then allowed people to fall in love with aspects of the game that were changed entirely or no longer there. It's like selling people on a product you're no longer going to make.
I kindof ignore FF hype up until a release date is announced because there isn't much point in paying attention until then. FF games take forever to come out.
What I'm seeing now looks really cool and I'll definitely buy it at or near launch.
I kindof ignore FF hype up until a release date is announced because there isn't much point in paying attention until then. FF games take forever to come out.
What I'm seeing now looks really cool and I'll definitely buy it at or near launch.
I'm really hyped for FFXV, just like I've been hyped for every Final Fantasy since I discovered the series in the mid-90's. I've liked every entry since, even FFXIII. But with all the negativity towards the recent entries and the disdain for XV, I just shut my mouth :/
That trailer was just a concept trailer that was supposed to look cool, which is Nomura's way of working. There was no real game or thought-out story yet. When Nomura was still in charge since its reboot in 2012 until 2014, when he departed, it already changed to what we know from FFXV. Even Versus was always intended to also be a lighthearted roadtrip-like journey. The whole game wouldn't have taken place at night with a full moon and sad violin music playing throughout the whole game. Read the older interviews with Nomura between 2008 and 2010.
mikefrails
Banned
well, this thread is loaded with examples of what people are disappointed with. for myself, mostly it's that the game doesn't really seem to have a distinctive identity (aside from 'rich spoiled road trip bros', which i personally find seriously unappealing), & that the combat system, imo, is the complete opposite of 'intuitive'
But didn't they sell the road trip gimmick a while ago?
I'm asking what about this E3 brought about disappointment? Or as the OP puts it, "hate".
I didn't care much for Tabata's ideas and games in the past in general, but I hope if FFXV can't meet whatever goals they have in the end, they don't throw him under the bus like it seems to happen to every main line director in the last decade with them just disappearing from the face of the earth. This is someone else's game and ideas still, he had to come in and wrap it up the best and as fast as he could and manage expectations based on what was prematurely shown to public, he has added his own touch since undeniably but it's not exactly hundred percent his game, it was probably harder than directing his own game that's what I mean.
The game probably won't have much of an impact or be able to turn around the general image of final fantasy but I will be surprised if it is some irredeemable pos.
The game probably won't have much of an impact or be able to turn around the general image of final fantasy but I will be surprised if it is some irredeemable pos.
Hate? nah,too old for that shit.
Nobody wants a bad game,it's just hard to tell what will happen with this game;Will it be great,passable,amazing,good,a disaster,awful or just bad?
Buying the game is like playing russian roulette right now,no fucking way to know what to expect.
Give me all the shit you want but i hope they return to turn-based combat someday so they can focus more in the rpg aspect,strategy etc.
You can call it arpg all you want but it's not the same when you can exploit the enemy ai and use the terrain for a cheap victory and this happens pretty often with this kind of games.
Yeah,these are my thoughts as well.
Totally agree.
Nobody wants a bad game,it's just hard to tell what will happen with this game;Will it be great,passable,amazing,good,a disaster,awful or just bad?
Buying the game is like playing russian roulette right now,no fucking way to know what to expect.
Give me all the shit you want but i hope they return to turn-based combat someday so they can focus more in the rpg aspect,strategy etc.
You can call it arpg all you want but it's not the same when you can exploit the enemy ai and use the terrain for a cheap victory and this happens pretty often with this kind of games.
Yeah,these are my thoughts as well.
Totally agree.
Dangansona
Member
I hope the public also doesn't throw Tabata and the series under the bus for the same reason.