I mean, it's not super realistic, but who cares? He looks like a badass.
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What's wrong with MGS: Twin Snakes?
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I mean, it's not super realistic, but who cares? He looks like a badass.
The thing is, I do think they look better. MGS2 had come out 2 years prior to the release of TTS and those models are way better.
No worries. I have felt the same way since TTS release. Give your buddy a high five from me.
BigTnaples
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The Voiceacting is changed for the worse.
The Soundtrack is worse.
The Cutscenes told the story of "Solid Snake the Legend" while the original was what actually happened.
And the MGS2 gameplay mechanics while nice, made the game pretty easy to cheese.
All that said I still loved it.
MGS1 is the game most desperate for a complete remake.
For most people, the HD collection, MGS4, and Geound Zeroes are all perfectly playable.
But MGS1 is a HUGE barrier to entry for new fans, many of whome can't be fucked to try and play through a PS1 game from the early days of 3D. But MGS1 is essential to the story...
MGS1 needs a Fox Engine remake. Asap.
The Soundtrack is worse.
The Cutscenes told the story of "Solid Snake the Legend" while the original was what actually happened.
And the MGS2 gameplay mechanics while nice, made the game pretty easy to cheese.
All that said I still loved it.
MGS1 is the game most desperate for a complete remake.
For most people, the HD collection, MGS4, and Geound Zeroes are all perfectly playable.
But MGS1 is a HUGE barrier to entry for new fans, many of whome can't be fucked to try and play through a PS1 game from the early days of 3D. But MGS1 is essential to the story...
MGS1 needs a Fox Engine remake. Asap.
We might as well have Snake turning Super Saiyan in that scene, and then doing 3 backflips, then flying around the room and finally melting Liquid and Ocelot with eye lasers.
That would make him look like a badass.
And it would still be ridiculously fucking stupid.
But he doesn't do that. He does one backflip, from what I can see.
Would you rather they retroactively add old man cripple snake into MGS1?
TheBaldEmperor
Member
It's the only Metal Gear I have played to completion. Loved every minute of it.
entremet
Member
Dude, this is a series with vampires, voodoo witches, and plant snipers.
Don't forget that Liquid was basically immortal as well. At least until FoxDie got him.
He jumps off a missile in another scene.
This. People just being dumb and needed a reason to hate the game.
The game is fine for a remake.
Sounds cool to me. It's a video game, dudes. Not a documentary.
entremet
Member
It's a video game.
It's a really stupid version of the game.
Some might think this is a fine argument for Twin Snakes.
No. But how about not making him do stuff that he never does in the other games? Or giving him superpowers, which he clearly doesn't have according to canon?
Yes.
But I'm not complaining about superpowered bosses. I'm talking about Solid Snake.
Solid Snake is not a guy with superpowers. They can go crazy with the bosses for all I care, but just let Solid Snake do his Solid Snake thing.
I feel like I have traveled back in time a decade.
Well at least you can never have a complaint about a video game ever again.
AndrewDean84xX
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Nothing in my opinion. Id rather play Twin Snakes than the original these days. I hope someday the game cube game gets ported.
What is wrong with you?
entremet
Member
It was a fun one off remake.
I'm a huge MGS fan, but the hate of the TS cutscenes is just wacky to me.
It's pretty obvious the game was fun type of director's cut. They just went crazy with the cutscenes. I thought it was fun.
I still prefer the definitive original, but as someone who replayed the PS1 version over 7 times, the new cutscenes were something fun and refreshing.
MGS fans are too serious sometimes.
Well more people could complain about things that actually make sense to complain about, like broken boss fights.
Oh believe me, I must be the least serious of Metal Gear fans, but still the cutscenes in TTS are terrible to me.
Hmm so basically people's complaints only make sense when you've deemed them so....
and instead of actually taking people's complaints and discussing them you'd rather just cheaply discredit them and cast them off..
Well gee what a great point you got there.
Yeah, screw that valid criticism. We don't need any of that in a thread about MGS.
entremet
Member
To be fair, I played TSS after REMake and it was a disappointment in that regard.
I did enjoy the new over the top cutscenes.
But the MGS2 mechanics broke some of the boss fighter--Ocelot hello.
I thought the art direction was suspect. SK's art never impressed me. And I didn't like the more ambient soundtrack.
But I was another tour of Shadow Moses and being a huge MGS fan, I enjoyed it.
MGS1 PS1 is a masterpiece, while TSS was fun reimagining of sorts.
I did enjoy the new over the top cutscenes.
But the MGS2 mechanics broke some of the boss fighter--Ocelot hello.
I thought the art direction was suspect. SK's art never impressed me. And I didn't like the more ambient soundtrack.
But I was another tour of Shadow Moses and being a huge MGS fan, I enjoyed it.
MGS1 PS1 is a masterpiece, while TSS was fun reimagining of sorts.
ChronotriggerJM
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Metal Gear always does this balancing act on fantasy and reality, sometimes stepping a tad far both directions. Twin snakes just annihilated aspect of that whatsoever.
If you've played the others and enjoy them, this will annoy you to no end. If this is your one and potentially only romp, go for it OP.
If you've played the others and enjoy them, this will annoy you to no end. If this is your one and potentially only romp, go for it OP.
I surprised at the comments saying there's nothing wrong with the game.
The worst thing about the game was the MGS2 mechanics. Made the game far too easy and felt like a mismatch. You could just stay prone and shoot Mantis in 1st person.
I'm okay with the cut scenes. Prior to the release of the game, I was already pretty pumped that the cut scene were directed by the same guy that did the movie Versus.
The worst thing about the game was the MGS2 mechanics. Made the game far too easy and felt like a mismatch. You could just stay prone and shoot Mantis in 1st person.
I'm okay with the cut scenes. Prior to the release of the game, I was already pretty pumped that the cut scene were directed by the same guy that did the movie Versus.
IrgendwasmitRot
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Otacon looks like a hamster.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
The original MGS is the best in the series by far so while Twin Snakes is a bit goofy it's still better than MGS2, 3 and 4.
Gameplay issues aside, the rest of the game is essentially the George Lucas take on the Playstation release. Great game that was spruced up in completely unnecessary ways in cutscenes.
Alright, so the scene early on in MGS4, where Snake is carefully checking under the rifle to see if it's booby trapped. Give it the remake treatment and you get Snake doing a front flip over the gun, landing in a three point stance, (which he's done before I'll admit), and having an explosion go off in the background. You can see why people might dislike the remake.
Alright, so the scene early on in MGS4, where Snake is carefully checking under the rifle to see if it's booby trapped. Give it the remake treatment and you get Snake doing a front flip over the gun, landing in a three point stance, (which he's done before I'll admit), and having an explosion go off in the background. You can see why people might dislike the remake.
Portugeezer
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Perfect every time.
The gameplay changes are the least of Twin Snakes' problems imo. Sure it breaks the game but the other issues are much much worse.
Voice acting is worse and the soundtrack is baad. I could perhaps somehow bear the voice acting but why the fuck did they remove most of the best songs in the game and replaces them with some random shit.
As big of a problem are also the new cutscenes. Snake jumping around like Neo is fucking ridiculous and not like him. He's always been the most grounded character between the freaks.
Everyone saying that TTS is the better version are just wrong. Simple as that. It's not even a question. TTS is objectively worse in all areas except the graphics. But if the graphics are the most important part of a game then...
Voice acting is worse and the soundtrack is baad. I could perhaps somehow bear the voice acting but why the fuck did they remove most of the best songs in the game and replaces them with some random shit.
As big of a problem are also the new cutscenes. Snake jumping around like Neo is fucking ridiculous and not like him. He's always been the most grounded character between the freaks.
Everyone saying that TTS is the better version are just wrong. Simple as that. It's not even a question. TTS is objectively worse in all areas except the graphics. But if the graphics are the most important part of a game then...
Yeah, except that the cutscenes were done that way on purpose and not by Kojima, but by Ryuhei Kitamura.
And they are awesome.
smfh
NoctisVsStar
Member
Here is a fairly comprehensive list.
1. MGS1 levels and fights were not designed with MGS2 mechanics in mind. This makes many areas and encounters far too easy.
2. The voice acting is absolutely awful compared to the original game. It felt like most of the actors had no desire whatsoever to re-record their lines.
3. The cutscenes are completely outrageous, even by MGS standards. They look like someone just got through watching a Matrix trilogy marathon and decided MGS needed more backflips and slow motion.
4. The game doesn't look as good as MGS2 despite being on better hardware.
There are some other minor quirks that probably only hardcore fans care about, but those are the main ones.
1. MGS1 levels and fights were not designed with MGS2 mechanics in mind. This makes many areas and encounters far too easy.
2. The voice acting is absolutely awful compared to the original game. It felt like most of the actors had no desire whatsoever to re-record their lines.
3. The cutscenes are completely outrageous, even by MGS standards. They look like someone just got through watching a Matrix trilogy marathon and decided MGS needed more backflips and slow motion.
4. The game doesn't look as good as MGS2 despite being on better hardware.
There are some other minor quirks that probably only hardcore fans care about, but those are the main ones.
dacuk
Member
Poorly implemented things that are completely optional? OMG, the horror!
GTAV never jumped off a missile and he's a videogame.
That dismissal was already a dumb one in the 1990s btw.