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[L4DANathan]

I think it's just that people were expecting another Dark Knight, myself included. So when it was only a 8/10 movie instead of a 11/10, people complained and complained. I personally liked it, though the spine healing segment still felt really forced.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

I think people rated TDK higher simply because of Ledger.

TDK had way bigger holes than TDKR, for example: how did Joker mobilize untrained thugs into massive feats of SEAL/Mossad-level coordination?

The cops and organized thugs in organized crime that he gained access to when he was hired by every crime family in Gotham.

 

[Seth C]

Too long. Too stupid. Too contrived. No stand-out performance.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

...The pacing issues is due to the length, not the lack of it.

Splitting this into two movies would make it more shit than it already is, and it wouldn't even fix the main issue, IE the plot.

Sorry, but i disagree. the pacing issues are caused by trying to cram two movies worth of content into one movie.

 

[Omega]

When Batman is broken and captured it was not snowing.

When Batman comes back there's ice in the river.

Time passed.

isn't Gotham supposed to be NY/NJ?

It'll be like 60 degrees here one day then blizzards the next.

 

[clemenx]

Nothing. It's a bit better than TDK but it doesn't have a Ledger that stands out.

It's a fine movie but it gets a boring in rewatches which is a problem it shares with Inception and TDK

 

[120v]

TKD was a cultural phenomenon. so even if TKDR was a legit better movie there'd still be backlash to some degree

i dunno, I thought TKD was kind of bloated and a tad hokey in places, so my expectations weren't through the roof to begin with. so all in all, I thought the third film did what it was supposed to do, which was wrap up the trilogy. it did that quite well

 

[Anth0ny]

I don't like the plot holes, and it was always going to be tough following mother fucking Dark Knight. There's also a bunch of small things (Batman takes too long to show up, talia.gif), but I still love the film. It's great, even though it's the weakest of the trilogy.

 

[Sotha_Sil]

I loved it up until

Spoiler

Bane puts Batman in the prison and takes over Gotham

. The movie starts to go off the rails at that point, though it never gets as horrible as people here make it out to be.

 

[Defuser]

-JGL figured out Bruce Wayne is Batman by looking in his eyes.
-Bruce recovers from his broken back with a punch to the back and doing push/pull ups which is enough to take on Bane.
-Bane jobs to Catwoman.
-Batman went fuck it and decided to bombard the truck with missiles killing the truck driver and Talia.
-That death scene.

There is so many wrong with it. Batman Begins on the end is still Nolan's best.

 

[Staccat0]

It was ugly looking and boring.
People willl bend over backwards to find pplot shit to like, PROVE it's bad, but like any art it's not like that.
Shit wasn't good, because it wasn't executed well enought to distract me from the details.

I thought Bane's voice was rad as fuck tho

 

[Holy_Chic]

its just an awful film. should have walked out about an hour in but didnt because of friends

 

[cartoon_soldier]

The Talia reveal takes away the whole mysticism from Bane and why he was such a fanatical following.

 

[Screaming Meat]

It's not the worst film in the world by a long shot, but it is certainly the worst in the trilogy. Coming after the politically-charged pulp crime noir of TDK, it had an uphill struggle from the start.

The fundamentals were pretty poor for a start. It had the most cringes per second of any of the trilogy scripts, with most of the dialogue feeling pretty interchangeable between characters. The pacing of the second half of the film was incoherent and borderline hallucinatory, rather than tension building. Character motivations were paper thin.

It's subtext lacked any kind of sophistication. Certainly, TDK hit you over the head with it's abhorrent point, but at least it was consistent in the questions it asked. The finger wagging in the first half of TDKR about how the rich are over-privileged arseholes who are unnecessarily scared of the poor huddled masses, is expertly undermined by the second half of the film that goes to prove to everyone just how right they were to be scared.

I mean, it had it's moments, but as a whole package it seemed very messy.

 

[borborygmus]

It was ugly looking and boring.
People willl bend over backwards to find pplot shit to like, PROVE it's bad, but like any art it's not like that.
Shit wasn't good, because it wasn't executed well enought to distract me from the details.

I thought Bane's voice was rad as fuck tho

All of the stuff I hate about the movie about was immediately obvious to me while I was watching the movie, I didn't actively try finding things to dislike about it. Simply following the events of the movie is enough to reveal major problems on every level. These aren't details, we're talking about almost every significant event in the movie being nonsensical in an immediately apparent way.

 

[Alienous]

It's the MGS4 of The Dark Knight franchise.

 

[TheVampire]

Do you think we could ever get a movie Batman which moves and fights like in those Arkham games?

 

[Death Metalist]

Eh, I loved it, don't know what other people are on about. Some just expect too much, with me, I never set expectations so I'm always satisfied even if I found flaws in a movie. To me Begins is still the best one. I'm glad the trilogy has been made and we finally have a full live action Batman story. The last 5-10 minutes of TDKR will forever be GOAT.

Spoiler

Yeah, I teared.

 

[Death Metalist]

Do you think we could ever get a movie Batman which moves and fights like in those Arkham games?

Maybe if Batman gets to be made by the people who made The Raid movies.

 

[Phat Michael]

The acting, the story, christian bales voice, the action scenes, how boring it is, tahlia, how badly edited it is, the motorbike out of the stock exchange scene, the cast and bane.

 

[diggmcbadass]

Bane makes up for all shortcomings. He is the most memorable movie villain since Darth Vader

 

[Apt101]

I don't think Bruce is supposed to be a sociopath. Unless you're Frank Miller.

Many writers wrote him this way. It's not that he's immoral, he just makes up his own and is unwavering. I think most of society would agree that someone like the Joker deserves to die, and that laws and the justice system are in place for a reason and should be allowed to serve their function. The Batman I've often read doesn't believe these things. So maybe sociopath is a strong term to apply to the character, but he's not far from it.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I legitimately don't remember anything catwoman related in this. I remember the dancing scene, when she shot bane with the batpod and bruce didn't care, and that anne hathaway looked nice. That's it.

Bane makes up for all shortcomings. He is the most memorable movie villain since Darth Vader

Bane made me not regret watching the film. Dude was ridiculous, and the horrible audio mixing on his voice made him so much better.

 

[sfedai0]

All the valid complaints about this travesty of a Batman movie and the worst thing was the Bane voice. Why Nolan thought this was a good idea, I will never know. Bane's like a comic relief every time he speaks.

 

[karasu]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Begins is the worst of the three. Rachel's pompous proselytizing and the attempts to rationalize Batman's gadgets just ruin it for me.

 

[Coffee Dog]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Begins is the worst of the three. Rachel's pompous proselytizing and the attempts to rationalize Batman's gadgets just ruin it for me.

Probably not the only one, but definitely the minority. Begins has a pretty good script, killing the bad guy for no reason at the end aside, that doesn't go anywhere near the lows of TDKR's.

 

[Apt101]

It's not the worst film in the world by a long shot, but it is certainly the worst in the trilogy. Coming after the politically-charged pulp crime noir of TDK, it had an uphill struggle from the start.

The fundamentals were pretty poor for a start. It had the most cringes per second of any of the trilogy scripts, with most of the dialogue feeling pretty interchangeable between characters. The pacing of the second half of the film was incoherent and borderline hallucinatory, rather than tension building. Character motivations were paper thin.

It's subtext lacked any kind of sophistication. Certainly, TDK hit you over the head with it's abhorrent point, but at least it was consistent in the questions it asked. The finger wagging in the first half of TDKR about how the rich are over-privileged arseholes who are unnecessarily scared of the poor huddled masses, is expertly undermined by the second half of the film that goes to prove to everyone just how right they were to be scared.

I mean, it had it's moments, but as a whole package it seemed very messy.

I thought that was kind of the point, that people were caught up in their daily lives and afraid of certain people for valid reasons, but had forgotten that there are chaotic forces out there that don't care and just want to destroy everything. Batman going away for being a hero, Gordon lying, the people and more importantly the police becoming complacent and chasing the wrong bogeymen. Bane shows up and plays off all of this.

But I agree, the writing could have used more cleverness and held to a firmer point. And the narrative lost cohesion in the second half.

 

[Freshmaker]

I wanna know. I saw it and enjoyed it. Easily the least good of Nolan's trilogy, but it's still a damn good movie, imo. I see it getting shit on constantly, I have two friends in Buffalo who constantly harp on it but they do little else besides say how bad the dialogue is in the first scene and make fun of Bane's voice.

Bruce Wayne cured a broken back with pull ups.

 

[Stevetopsy]

For me, the first half of the dark knight rises up until the Bane vs Batman fight in the sewers ends is as good as I could have hoped for. Even Catwoman was done well and fit in Nolan's Gotham. Minus the 8 year gap thing and waiting for Bruce to un-gimp himself, everything builds nicely up until the climax off seeing Batman get his ass handed to him. It's easy to forget the initial impact of that fight: the hulking mass of Bane, his sinister dialogue, "members of the league of shadows!" and "Victory has defeated you" are both favorites. After Bane breaks Bruce's back, I remember just being drained and thinking "your not supposed to see Batman get handled like that, jesus". Excellent first half that is on the same level for the most part as TDK, for me anyway.

The second half, starting from the prison scene, is a different story. Aside from some more cool Bane dialogue in the jail cell, second half loses steam by going into less interesting directions and deflating things from the first half that were once cool, namely Bane himself. Having to wait for Bruce to work his way to being Batman yet again is tiring. Watching him try the jump over and over when you know he will make it eventually on the 3rd try (and trying not to keep thinking about the fact that anyone who fell that far with a rope tied around their waist would be terribly injured if not killed). Bane going from the child born in darkness who made the climb, child of Ras Al Ghul, leader of the League of Shadows........ to absolutely nothing but Talia's bitch bodyguard who cries. The movie even cares so little about him at that point that he's killed offscreen and forgotten about like a random henchman. Talia herself having weak motivations and a death scene with acting so bad it must've been an inside joke. John Blake, super orphan sleuth, can tell who Batman is by his fake smile or something. The movie not having the balls to kill Batman like they should have with this being the last in a trilogy, and using editing to trick us.. Either that or he teleported far enough from the blast in a few seconds.

Aside from the fight on the steps at the end and seeing Bane do those rapid punches, it's hard for me to find a reason to watch TDKR all the way through. It drops the ball so hard. And also, they mention Harvey Dent, hell even Scarecrow is in there, so it feels really weird to have no mention at all of that time Batman fought the Joker and all the ruckus he caused.

 

[Alienous]

Bruce Wayne cured a broken back with pull ups.

His back wasn't broken, one of the discs in his spine was displaced (a slipped disc). The usual recovery time is 6 or so months, and Bruce did it in 3.

 

[slider]

The pit/well bit reminded me of a sequence in The Wind Up Bird Chronicles and I liked that. Plus, when I've had a drink or two I do an amazing Bane impersonation. So I liked it.

 

[Freshmaker]

His back wasn't broken, one of the discs in his spine was displaced (a slipped disc). The usual recovery time is 6 or so months, and Bruce did it in 3.

With pull ups.

 

[Jimrpg]

I wanna know. I saw it and enjoyed it. Easily the least good of Nolan's trilogy, but it's still a damn good movie, imo. I see it getting shit on constantly, I have two friends in Buffalo who constantly harp on it but they do little else besides say how bad the dialogue is in the first scene and make fun of Bane's voice.

It's hard to understand bane when his voice is muffled behind the mask

 

[Imp the Dimp]

No memorable scenes whatsoever. It just went by and didn't leave any impact on me. It also felt too stuffed for 160 minutes. The pace was off and story just wasn't that exciting.

 

[Sheroking]

With pull ups.

With a doctor in his cell, setting the disk back into place and elevating him.

Spoiler

Then with pull-ups

 

[kiguel182]

Of all the complaints I've read about the Dark Knight Rises here on GAF, this is one of the odder ones, to me.

You can argue that he botched the execution. I'll agree with that to some degree. You can argue that he didn't do right by the character of Batman/Bruce Wayne - I can see where you're coming from on that front. You can suggest that Bane got defanged/denutted, sure. I disagree, but at least you can point to the text of the movie and have some support if you apply the right lens.

But there is no way a movie of that size, filled with that many characters, with that many arcs, aiming for the thematic heights the movie is aiming for, is "phoned in."

it's ambitious as hell. The film suffers because he doesn't quite make good on those ambitions, sure. But to say Nolan as a director "phoned it in" makes almost zero sense when actually watching the movie. There's too much there, shot and staged with too much care, for me to even begin to agree that Nolan was being fuckin' lazy.

I'm talking script wise. It has tons of cliches and predictable story bits that just make it feel that way. The script is not ambitious at all. You think they botched it but I feel they just didn't care enough.

Given Nolan's past work he could've written something so much better than what we got.

 

[Oddduck]

People wouldn't have had ridiculously high expectations for another "Dark Knight" if Warner Bros. didn't force Dark Knight into the title of The Dark Knight Rises.

The third film should have had its own unique title. Kind of like how "The Dark Knight" didn't have "Batman" in the title.

Maybe they could have called it "The Caped Crusader" or something. I don't know. They could get creative.

 

[yogloo]

I think the biggest problem is Heath Ledger's death.

 

[Nyx]

I liked it, maybe it went on for a bit too long but otherwise...

 

[Higgins113]

What the hell was up with the dialogue in the movie? It made no sense.

CIA tells Bane "You're a big guy".
Bane then responds with "For you".

Wtf?

 

[kmax]

It's not The Dark Knight.

It's as simple as that. It's a fine movie in and of itself, but it had the unfortunate position to be the sequel to one of the, if not the greatest superhero movie of all time.

 

[Manmademan]

What the hell was up with the dialogue in the movie? It made no sense.

CIA tells Bane "You're a big guy".
Bane then responds with "For you".

Wtf?

No, the guy asks "what would happen if I remove that mask"

Bane says " it would be very painful..."

The guy interrupts, thinking Bane is done saying "really? You're a big guy" (as in his pain tolerance should be fairly high )

Bane finishes his thought as if not interrupted, saying (painful) ...for you.

Not really that hard to parse.

 

[Godan]

Just dont really get the police chase part of the film with bane on the bikes. I mean it during the day. 2 mins later its night time and how the hell did batman manage to get that batwing their without anyone seeing him put it there.


When i watch it now I just go into it the way I do to most Schwarzenegger films and that's dont bother too much with the story.

 

[NormandyVII]

It's the least memorable entry in the TDK trilogy. The pacing, fight chereographies and Batman being invincible with that spine recovery segment was a put off for me.

I'd rank TDK>BB>>>TDKR

 

[Frost_Ace]

What the hell was up with the dialogue in the movie? It made no sense.

CIA tells Bane "You're a big guy".
Bane then responds with "For you".

Wtf?

epic meme.

 

[Oblivion]

For me, the main problem was the ending re-match with Bane was horrendously anti-climactic.

 

[Atraveller]

What the hell was up with the dialogue in the movie? It made no sense.

CIA tells Bane "You're a big guy".
Bane then responds with "For you".

Wtf?

this again?

 

[Brerlappin]

Bad acting
Shitty villains
Plot makes zero sense

Beautifully fucking illustrated.

I watched it only this year and found it a tedious, unmemorable slog. Bane is retarded and his plan is a clusterfuck of WTF's, hes not threatening or cool, his voice is silly, and speaking of silly voices, im sick of Bales 'bat-voice', and the whole thing has forgotten its based on a comic about man who thinks hes a bat and should probably not take itself quite so uber-seriously as it does, as it just makes it even harder to suspend disbelief that maybe batman had a few hours to spare dripping gasoline all over a bridge so that it looks like a bat signal when ignited.

 

[Chuckie]

I liked it. Only part that killed me was Talia's death. Sooooooo bad.

Yeah I feel the same way.

Don't we have this thread every 4 months?

Yes we do.

What the hell was up with the dialogue in the movie? It made no sense.

CIA tells Bane "You're a big guy".
Bane then responds with "For you".

Wtf?

 

[leng jai]

After the third time you watch it the question really becomes - what's right with The Dark Knight Rises?