cinnamonandgravy
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When do you think Nintendo announces next hardware?
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coffinbirth
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The specs that have been bandied about have been all over the place. The only things from the documents are the product code(which is ASSUMED Orin) and it's association with NVN2.
Gambit2483
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Its just not normal for a company to have only 2 major games announced for the upcoming year with one of them being a mid budget stop-gapped title of a major franchise (FE:Engage is not Three Houses budgeted/scopped) and the other being their major flagship Marquee title that has been known to be a system launch title/dual platform launch.
The only reason the company would do this is because they DO have many titles to announce...just not ones for the current platform. Or if they are for the current platform they will be early cross platform titles but they want their focus to be with launching on the new system.
How many years has Nintendo had nothing new to announce for the ENTIRE upcoming year with only 3 weeks out from said upcoming year?
2023 is blatantly and obviously going to be a new platform launch year, which is why it's so baffling people think Nintendo is going to carry Switch a full 7th year with ZERO new games announced by now for said 7th year. Not even 3rd parties have any major Switch titles announced for 2023 by now....I mean, c'mon people.
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Trazyn the Infinite
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This has been normal for both Xbox and Playstation for quite a while now. Hell, Playstation only had 4 major games announced for what felt like a good 12 months straight. Where have you been?
BusierDonkey
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I figure three more years before the Switch gets a replacement. Switch is still selling as fast as it's being made at the same price it was launched at. Tears of the Kingdom is coming out soon and I'm sure we'll see more big releases after that. I doubt we'll even see hints of a new system before the first price drop.
I know it doesnt make sense with the chip shortage and stuff but part of me still thinks a new Switch or at least a stronger revision will launch early to mid next year
They made the mistake of riding out the NDS and Wii too long and only released their successors when sales had already fallen off a cliff. Result was that neither the Wii U or 3DS sold well initially. Even though they somewhat turned it around with the 3DS, I doubt they'd wanna make the same mistake again. I think Nintendo fully well realizes they need to release new hardware while the Switch still has plenty of mindshare. And with both PS5 and Xbox gaining some massive momentum right now, they simply can't afford to wait for several more years. Also, besides TotK, there's haven't been much, if any, announcements for new Switch games from Nintendo next year. We have Fire Emblem Engage and the Kirby Wii game but that's about it. I'd say a lot of teams are busy on the final touches of their new (nextgen) games.
My (bold) guess I wouldn't put any money on:
New, slighty/somewhat more powerful Switch release somewhere before July 2023. Fully backwards compatible with any Switch game and peripherals. Will replace the OLED Switch in Nintendo's line-up as the 'premium' hardware.
Switch and Switch OLED will get discontinued by end 2023.
Switch Lite will get a discount and continue to get sold until 2025
Player's Choice line of Switch games will get released starting Summer 2023
I guess this is more wishful thinking than anything but yeah, we'll see.
They made the mistake of riding out the NDS and Wii too long and only released their successors when sales had already fallen off a cliff. Result was that neither the Wii U or 3DS sold well initially. Even though they somewhat turned it around with the 3DS, I doubt they'd wanna make the same mistake again. I think Nintendo fully well realizes they need to release new hardware while the Switch still has plenty of mindshare. And with both PS5 and Xbox gaining some massive momentum right now, they simply can't afford to wait for several more years. Also, besides TotK, there's haven't been much, if any, announcements for new Switch games from Nintendo next year. We have Fire Emblem Engage and the Kirby Wii game but that's about it. I'd say a lot of teams are busy on the final touches of their new (nextgen) games.
My (bold) guess I wouldn't put any money on:
New, slighty/somewhat more powerful Switch release somewhere before July 2023. Fully backwards compatible with any Switch game and peripherals. Will replace the OLED Switch in Nintendo's line-up as the 'premium' hardware.
Switch and Switch OLED will get discontinued by end 2023.
Switch Lite will get a discount and continue to get sold until 2025
Player's Choice line of Switch games will get released starting Summer 2023
I guess this is more wishful thinking than anything but yeah, we'll see.
tkscz
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According to the leak it was going to use the cut down AGX model that had 1792 CUDA cores instead of the full 2048
Gambit2483
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4 games from Sony and about 10+ from 3rd parties.
How many major new titles have 3rd parties announced for Switch in 2023 by now?
Woopah
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The leaks also had GA10F as the GPU, and that it has 12 SMs in total
For Nintendo its completely normal, they almost always start a year with less that 50% of that year's line up being announced. Lets look at what we knew about their published games for other years.
2023
1. Fire Emblem Engage - Jan (this a full mainline entry in the franchise, it is on Three Houses level)
2. Kirby's Return to Dreamland Deluxe - Feb
3. Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon - March
4. Zelda: TOTK - May
5. Pikmin 4 - 2023
2022
1. Pokemon Legends: Arceus - Jan
2. Triangle Strategy - March
3. Kirby & The Forgotten Land - March
4. Splatoon 3 - 2022
5. Bayonetta 3 - 2022
6. Zelda: TOTK - 2022 (delayed)
2021
1. Mario 3D World Deluxe - Feb
2. Bravely Default II - Feb
2. Pokémon Snap - April
2020
1. Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE - Jan
2. Pokémon Mystery Dungeon - March
2. Animal Crossing: New Horizons - March
3. Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive edition - 2020
2019
1. New Super Mario U Deluxe - Jan
2. Yoshi's Crafted World - 2019
3. Fire Emblem Three Houses - Spring
4. Deus Ex Machina - 2019
5. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 - 2019
6. Luigi's Mansion 3 - 2019
7. Animal Crossing - 2019 (delayed)
2018
1. Bayonetta 1 & 2 - Feb
2. Kirby Star Allies - 2018
3.Fire Emblem 2018 (delayed)
4. Yoshi (delayed)
The normal pattern is that we enter a year knowing Nintendo's full lineup until the end of March, and then 1 or 2 things beyond that. The only exception to that was 2019.
I do think a new model is coming next year, but so far there's nothing unusual about Nintendo's software reveals. They'll have a Direct in the first few months of the year, where they and third parties will reveal more of their Switch 2023 lineups, and this would happen regardless of wehter there's a new modle or not.
Having said that, I do think some third parties will have games that run on the new model but not the others, so they of course will need to wait for the new model to be announced.
coffinbirth
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That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about... it also contains AD10F, SEC8N & 1024FP32 references. Drake, Dane, Atlan and all varieties in between have been the scuttlebutt amongst the data miners and nerds since March, haha.
We have absolutely no clue what it will actually be, and anyone pretending they know otherwise outside of NVidia, Nintendo and probably FoxConn(by now) are simply guessing.
Woopah
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Fair enough, thanks for the education!
Gambit2483
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Every single one of those 2023 pre-Zelda games comes off as mid stopgap titles.
FE: Engage is not the same budget/scope as Three Houses. Not saying it's not a full game but it's an extremely well made Gaiden type game.
Kirby is a Remake of a Wii game
Bayonetta Origins is a quickly thrown together AA title that uses concepts from Bayo 3. It's a stop gap title to fill the calendar release.
These are games you put on the market to stopgap having to announce or release AAA games that you already have lined up for imminent release on newer hardware. 5 months into 2023 and that's what you offer? That reeks of new hardware approaching
Edit: Also, almost all major 2023 AAA 3rd party Switch announcements have vaporized into thin air yet no one talks about that or finds that interesting? Really?
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Trazyn the Infinite
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You warriors are so sad XD
Woopah
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It's a normal Nintendo lineup. We are entering the year knowing about mainline Fire Emblem, mainline Zelda and mainline Pikmim.
We were entered 2021, we knew about a Wii U port, a Pokémon spinoff and Bravely Default II. Would they not count as mid stop gap titles?
When we entered 2020 with mainline Animal Crossing as the only game dated, did that reek of new hardware? How about 2018 when we had Kirby Star Allies as the only game dated?
I'm trying to understand why you see 2023 as being different from any other Switch year.
It's the same for third parties. We knew very little about Switch's third party line up this year until the year itself had started.
They'll be a Direct early next year, where several third party and first party Switch games for 2023 will be released. Whether that Direct comes before or after the new model reveal I don't know.
Gambit2483
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its a 6 year old console that is well past its hardware expiration date where 70% of AAA games struggle to hit 30fps let alone 30fps and full 1080HD...In 2022.
New consoles typically come after the 5th or 6th year of being on the market when hardware becomes obsolete and newer technology available.
There's been smoke and rumors of new hardware and 4k ready dev kits for several years now with nothing more than an OLED revision caused by the events of 2020 and a massive chip/component shortage
Devs want to release newer entries of their franchises but on newer better hardware e.g. the Rumored Switch RE game. No one truly wants cloud versions of games and they are running out of 6/7 gen ports to bring over.
You litterally cannot name 5 AAA announced games (1st or 3rd party) for Switch in 2023 and we are 3 weeks out from the new year. It's time and it's been time since 2020 and the release of the OLED
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MarkMe2525
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Hopefully soon, I have $500 out aside for the next switch. It's taking so long to hear anything, that I have purchased and then canceled an order for both Steam Deck and PS5. I have to be strong.
playsaves3
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I'm expecting 2024 as well Nintendo has a habit of releasing their new gens the same time as hardware refreshes from other companies like the switch releasing the same year as the one x and only a few months after the pro
playsaves3
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Nope prime 4
playsaves3
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We have a winner here
playsaves3
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New consoles aren't coming before 2028 going by recent statements so I would bump that up a year
GigaBowser
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2026.
This is going to be around as long as the Gameboy.
Remember these words.
This is going to be around as long as the Gameboy.
Remember these words.
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playsaves3
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Prime 4
playsaves3
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It's likely gonna be cross gen and a switch 2 launch title im expecting it in 2024-2025
playsaves3
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Your in for disappointment i will be blown away if it even comes late 2023
WhiteWaterM00se
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I agree. The optimist in me says, that the system is BC and Nintendo will release ALOT of their 1st party games for both systems for a while. Similar to how Sony and Xbox have been doing.
The 3rd parties on the other hand. Some of those will be exclusive to new hardware. Games I expect are actually Nintendo at some point.
Final fantasy viiR part 1, dragon quest xii, Remake2-4, COD, madden, NBA 2k, SFVI, Next Mortal Kombat, tekken(something) and Monster Hunter next.
I don't think Nintendo gets near as many AAA 3rd party titles as Xbox/Sony. But I think Nintendo focuses on bigger brands. So Nintendo can say they actually have these titles.
I believe the new hardware releases in 2023 also. If it went until 2024, no one would be surprised. Yet, I think if the supply chain is fine, Nintendo moves forward with new hardware, so they can "strike while the iron is hot" So to speak.
If the Switch 2, is not BC. They could still release new hardware next year. If so, I think they continue to treat games like Mario tennis and Mario golf super rush as Re-releases with improved framerate, graphics and more content. So we will see what happens.
Woopah
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The ones I boded are definitely reasons to expect new hardware, and I do expect a new model to be announced earlyish next year.
But we can't tell anything about not having 5 AAA games announced for next year, when that is the case for every year for Switch. Can you name any year for the platform where we went in knowing about 5 AAA games?
My personal expectation is that they'll treat the new model as a Gameboy Colour style revision. It will play all Switch games but hardly any Nintendo games will be exclusive to Switch 4K/
As for third parties, it will depend on who the publisher/developer is. SE, Capcom, Take 2, Warner Bros, most Koei Tecmo studios and maybe Ubisoft will support the new model. EA, Bandai Namco, Team Ninja and Ryu Ga Gotoku will not. Not sure about Atlas yet.
Gambit2483
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We knew about several PS5 games like
Elden Ring
GT7
HFW
GOW R
Gotham Knights
Plague Tale Requiem
Well before the year 2022 started. So yes, it's very uncommon that we have Zero Announcements beyond Zelda for the entire year from both 1st and 3rd Party titles.
For everyone saying not until 2024, what do you expect to be playing in 2023 until then (that's not Zelda)?
ResurrectedContrarian
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The later the better. I'm happy to see a company not immediately flooding the market with upgrades to make their previous systems obsolete. It's also part of the trust they have as the most popular family system... parents don't want to buy something that will need replacement every 3 or 4 years.
Woopah
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But that's PS5, which gets far more big budget AAA games that Switch does. Which calendar year did we enter with 5 AAA games announced for Switch?
Gambit2483
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In 2018 we knew about
Octopath Traveller
Bayo 2
Dragon Ball FighterZ
Dragon Quest Builders
and Megaman 11 that was in its 2nd year which we were expecting many big titles to come including Smash Bros Ultimate which was announced and released on the same year.
This is year 7 upcoming on the market. It's a completely different landscape where development focus behind the scenes has long since shifted to support for the next platform
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Zannegan
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Wait, are any of those what you'd call AAA, with the possible exception of Bayonetta? They're coming from big companies, sure, but they hardly gave AAA budgets or production values. I wouldn't put them on par with the titles you listed for PS5, even if I would personally prefer more games on that Switch list.
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Gambit2483
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They are from major franchises and considering how many PS5 level AAA games Switch got/gets, yes I would.
Can you name any equivalent Switch 1st or 3rd party games announced for 2023? I feel like it's just semantics being argued at this point. Nothing major (outside of Zelda) has been announced for Switch in 2023. That is my basic point
Woopah
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Well for 2023 we know about:
Octopath Traveller 2
Fire Emblem Engage
Pikmin 4
Zelda TOTK
Marvel's Midnight Suns
Atelier Ryza 3
Super Bomberman R 2
plus others. That's better than what we had in 2018.
2018 did indeed have many titles announced and released in the same year, just like 2019, 2021 and 2022. 2023 will be the same.
Zannegan
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I hear you, and I agree that there's not much announced for next year. I just wouldn't take it as a sign of anything, even if I've got all my fingers crossed for a 2023 successor.
I mean, it could be a sign that Nintendo has cleared the decks to make way for new hardware, or it could just be business as usual for them. Nintendo tends to keep things close to the vest these days and to announce as late as possible (a total development reboot like Prime 4 being the exception that proves the rule).
I remember people trying to read the tea leaves to predict game announcements for the Wii ("They've been too quiet for too long"), the Wii U's hardware power ("No way. Nintendo would have to TRY to make it as weak as a 360/PS3, lol"), the Switch's feature set, etc. etc. Pretty much any time someone was certain they had figured out what Nintendo's next move would be, especially if it was "the only thing that makes sense," they'd get it wrong. The best and worst thing about Nintendo is that they're super unpredictable.
Like I said, I'm hoping for 2023, but that's based on nothing other than what I *want* it to be.
Gambit2483
Member
Ok, ok. How about we just make a friendly bet.
I bet that Switch 2 will launch with TotK.
And if I'm wrong....I'll owe you a coke.
I bet that Switch 2 will launch with TotK.
And if I'm wrong....I'll owe you a coke.
Kataploom
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I think you're confusing stuff here, next Wednesday is when MS will definitely buy NINTENDO
Efren is G.O.A.T.
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What's the shortest length of time between the announcement and the release can we expect?
WhiteWaterM00se
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We will see, I actually think EA/Atlus/ Namco will all be on board 100%. I expect Elden Ring on new hardware. Same with whatever the SMTV revision is like SMT IV: Apocalypse or P5R. I expect Nintendo and all systems get whatever SMTV becomes in next. version.
Woopah
Member
Potentially, but some of their decisions have given me pause for thought. EA hasn't done that much with Switch, and while some of the games that Bandai Namco publishes do come Switch, its very noticeable that the Bandai Namco Studios games all skip Switch completely.
I think the fact that Soul Hackers 2 skipped Switch is also very telling, though maybe the strong sales for the Persona 5 port will change Atlus' mind about Nintendo going forward.
WhiteWaterM00se
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I understand. Nintendo was never going to get soul hackers 2 day and date. Not when P5R was releasing two months later. I still think it could come at some point.
With P3P, and P4G releasing in Jan, and the rumored EO coming in 2023, I think Atlus support has been very good thus far overall.
EA's support is money hatted most definitely. Nintendo actually has a team of devs that make Fifa Switch with a few dedicated EA employees. I believe the team is in India? I assume PvZ:GW was the same way. IMO, PvZ was just a test to get frostbite working on Switch so Madden could come over. I think Madden comes to new hardware, I am doubtful about switch itself. But we will see. Hypothetically though, if Madden, EA FC (formally Fifa), and future PvZ come to Nintendo that is good support from EA. If they can also swing some older ports like Mass Effect trilogy that would be great for Nintendo. In my mind, that is excellent support from EA.
Just a side note, but as these mergers keep happening, I think it is important for these companies to maximize sales by utilizing quality "Evergreen" titles over quantity. Which is the opposite of Switch library. The E-shop has a ton of junk. Sony has also emphasized this idea was a goal throughout this generation. I agree with this idea.
Most Nintendo 1st party sell because they are Evergreen (sell throughout the generation and even longer). If Nintendo pivots 3rd party support to this, I think it will increase sales for 3rd parties throughout the generation. For this reason alone, I am confident that Nintendo does receive at least one version of COD on Nintendo regardless if MS acquisition of Activision happens or not. I think the user base will be too large to ignore if Switch 2 is BC. This applies to Madden as well. I expect at least one good version of each.
This is all speculation of course. The farther we all go down the rabbit hole, it would lead to the argument that can Nintendo survive on 1st & 2nd party titles alone? And if Nintendo would be better off being 3rd party or acquired by Apple (the only realistic buyer for Nintendo, if that were ever to happen. Which is not anytime soon.)
So, I think 3rd parties are vital. If they don't get Soul Hackers 2, I don't view it as a big deal as long as they get the bigger Atlus titles like P5R, and SMT V, etc. If even one game from series the FFVIIR, ReMake, next gen MH, SFVI, COD, Madden, Red Dead, NBA 2k, etc, show up on Nintendo next gen, Nintendo could be sitting in a stronger position than this generation. They would essentially be "checking boxes" and then let their 1st party bring the consumers in.
Ultimately with the state of the world and worldwide inflation, I am finding it increasing unlikely most households will own multiple systems going forward. Nintendo being able to "check boxes" will be key. I actually suspect for the first time, they will be able to do so. But the saying "Nintendo is going to Nintendo" exist for a reason. We will have to wait and see.
Everyone is starting to ask for new hardware though, IGN, WSJ, Nikkei, so you know investors will be asking after the holidays. Nintendo will have to at least acknowledge future plans next year.
Radioskugga
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In the year 2525.
WhiteWaterM00se
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and there still won't be a new Wave race, F-zero, or 1080 snowboarding!
Jubenhimer
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I think 2024 will be a good time to start a new gen. From the 2023 first party lineup so far, Nintendo's not quite ready to drop the current Switch just yet. At the same time, I think they'd want to release the next system as soon as they can seeing as the Switch would be 8 years old by that point, and the Steam Deck is currently a thing. So anytime between March and June of 2024.
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