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When questioned, are you a Feminist?
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Zeyphersan
Banned
Hell if someone thinks less of me because I call myself a feminist that tells me a lot about how much I care about their opinion, or if it's someone I need close to me at all
JordanN
Banned
"Why are you agnostic?"
"Because I don't believe in a god or claim to..."
Stop! You're an atheist now.
LeroyPantwether
Member
That's a hard no for me.
Basketball
Member
yep in a world ruled by double standards based on race, gender , age
there is no point for labels
so no
It's more like...
"Why are you agnostic?"
"Because I don't know if there's a God or not."
depths20XX
Member
Nope.
"a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God."
This isn't a thread about religion, so I'll just stop after this comment, but you could make the same argument about deities like Zeus, Ra, or Odin. Yet the people arguing that those don't exist wouldn't be called arrogant.
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
Nice, I will use that from now on.
Barajas_201
Member
Well I believe your aggressive approach is doing more harm to the movement than mine, in fact it might add instead of subtract detractors of feminism.
Egalitarianism is bullshit because that means that people with historic advantages will stay advantaged against people who have been historically disadvantaged.
Maybe there will be a place for it in the future. Right now no. All things were not created equal so fuck egalitarianism.
Alcotholic
Banned
How so?
I'm just curious, because I see no difference.
Because it's about women's rights ? Saying "bouh ouh I'm not a feminist I'm an egalitarian" takes away from the fact that it's a movement centered around and for women.
Please tell me more.
Kuroi Gogeta
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not psycho
Member
I say "I'm a Plutonian-Feminist."
It sounds sort of like it might be an even stronger version of feminism, so people are sometimes impressed, but it just means I'm a feminist who hails from the dwarf planet Pluto.
It sounds sort of like it might be an even stronger version of feminism, so people are sometimes impressed, but it just means I'm a feminist who hails from the dwarf planet Pluto.
I hope the people saying they agree with feminism but don't want to be labeled as feminist take the same approach with every other "ism" they fall under. I generally dislike labels for ideology too, but for something as fundamental as feminism I'll happily wear that badge and explain myself if I need to.
Zeyphersan
Banned
You know, it could really help to push back against the view that feminism is only for the radicals if there were more """""normal""""" people publicly identifying as one. Instead of trying to find a way to say in complete legal-proof language that you support ideals without actually being a feminist
Fail State
Banned
So what's the problem?
The first problem is you used a different word than the OP. Feminists can agree on what feminism means but many can't agree on what it means to be a feminist.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
These terms of are symbols loaded with emotional charge. The first thing I think of when I hear the word "feminist" is toxic tumblr esque feminism.
But of course I support equality. Equality and fair treatment of all is self evident for anyone who isn't a draconian deranged person.
What the clinical definition of the word is in a dictionary, is of course besides the point and is of no consequences to how people use words. They change meaning over time, and people are affected by them differently. There is a social biosis at work where the collective masses decide what terms are appropriate to use and which aren't.
Years ago we had discussions with regards to the F word. People correctly pointed out that the origin of the word in many dictionaries is "A bundle of sticks", but regardless of the origin or history behind the word; If it greatly upset people, do you really have to use it, if it causes grief and offense to gay people?
It used to be a word that was very very often used in the 90s, and early 2000s, but has since dropped significantly compared to its past presence.
And I think that's good. I think it's good when we have a collective conversation and talk back and forth and for and against. I remember many comedians who refused to give up saying the F word, but it's not something I've heard from a lot lately.
Ultimately you cannot control the "right" way to use a word. People will use it the way they are, because languages are fluid and they are used to convey information. Any use can be a slur or insult anybody, and in the future, many words we find inoffensive today will become offensive, and then too, will we have conversations about the "correct definition" of a word. But will always be folly, because people could give a shit about what a word means.
People throughout history has stolen all manners of symbols, wordmarks, and cultural forms to derive complete paradoxical meanings from it.
It is really sad, to see good words get tainted because some people communicate like insufferable and obnoxious monotone assholes. Why does that have to ruin it for everyone else, but that is often what happens, and it shows one of the inherit weaknesses with group structures. Enemies of said groups will cling to the bad apples and re-frame the entire group by its bad apples. It's always been an effective strategy to undermine a group. Cherry pick your examples of deplorables (which exist in any group, culture and movement) use it as a frontal anchor to hurt them all.
But of course I support equality. Equality and fair treatment of all is self evident for anyone who isn't a draconian deranged person.
What the clinical definition of the word is in a dictionary, is of course besides the point and is of no consequences to how people use words. They change meaning over time, and people are affected by them differently. There is a social biosis at work where the collective masses decide what terms are appropriate to use and which aren't.
Years ago we had discussions with regards to the F word. People correctly pointed out that the origin of the word in many dictionaries is "A bundle of sticks", but regardless of the origin or history behind the word; If it greatly upset people, do you really have to use it, if it causes grief and offense to gay people?
It used to be a word that was very very often used in the 90s, and early 2000s, but has since dropped significantly compared to its past presence.
And I think that's good. I think it's good when we have a collective conversation and talk back and forth and for and against. I remember many comedians who refused to give up saying the F word, but it's not something I've heard from a lot lately.
Ultimately you cannot control the "right" way to use a word. People will use it the way they are, because languages are fluid and they are used to convey information. Any use can be a slur or insult anybody, and in the future, many words we find inoffensive today will become offensive, and then too, will we have conversations about the "correct definition" of a word. But will always be folly, because people could give a shit about what a word means.
People throughout history has stolen all manners of symbols, wordmarks, and cultural forms to derive complete paradoxical meanings from it.
It is really sad, to see good words get tainted because some people communicate like insufferable and obnoxious monotone assholes. Why does that have to ruin it for everyone else, but that is often what happens, and it shows one of the inherit weaknesses with group structures. Enemies of said groups will cling to the bad apples and re-frame the entire group by its bad apples. It's always been an effective strategy to undermine a group. Cherry pick your examples of deplorables (which exist in any group, culture and movement) use it as a frontal anchor to hurt them all.
SynthFetish
Member
I should've just posted this, as always Bronx-Man said it best.
I still stand by my earlier statement, even though it is brash.
Personally I don't say it because I'm scared of being lumped in with men who call themselves feminist to get cred and never follow through. It seems super arrogant to label myself that way.
This is absolutely still a thing and people should be super wary of men who loudly declare themselves to be feminists because some of them are Nice Guy(TM) as fuuuuuck.
Jesus Carbomb
From Water into Guinness
Does it have to involve some form of activism? If I gotta get off my couch to be a feminist you can forget about it.
Dice//
Banned
kinda sorta like this:
Egalitarianism doesn't directly address that one gender suffers much more than the other. It's paints with a broad brush and doesn't address the point nearly as directly.
It's not about protecting feelings, it's about accurately conveying information. Telling someone who thinks feminist=man-hating crazy-pants that you're a feminist is conveying to them that you're a man-hating crazy-pants. So if you know (or suspect) that their definition of the term differs from the one you prefer, it's more accurate to tell them you're not a feminist.
Now, most accurate would be to explain what the word feminism means to you, but in my experience people tend to have strong attachment to their definitions and defying them is rarely productive. On all sides, of course.
There is no universal truth to what 'feminism' means. All words are made up and language works only by consensus.
Whiteblade999
Member
Yes. No doubt.
It's like saying #alllivesmatter when talking about how black people are more impacted by police violence.
It dilutes the issue.
Damn, sucks this is still a thing :/
Alcotholic
Banned
I never viewed it like that though. I've always seen inequality in race and genders and my beliefs are a long The lines of supporting those without rights so we all can be equal. Unfortunately I'm not well spoken enough to further my points.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Like sphagnum says at the top of the page, making the self-proclamation makes some of us feel like we're hijacking it. Personally I think words and actions speak louder than labels, and I wouldn't self label myself an ally either because I don't feel I have the right to declare myself as such. It's those most directly affected who I give the power to label me.
There's also the fact some people will use the label to attack actual equal rights supporters. For example Christina Hoff Sommers claims to be a feminist yet holds many ideas I personally consider anti-feminist.
Dice//
Banned
Bingo
LeroyPantwether
Member
Why are feminists so concerned with how GOOD people choose to label themselves?
deadscreensky
Member
It really is that easy.
I understand certain people being more hesitant, I was myself when I was younger. There's a lot of bad associations with the concept (most of them undeserved). But it's ultimately very simple and people shouldn't be afraid of the label. If you're really worried about being misinterpreted, you can answer with more than a sole "yes." Something like "Yes, women should have equal rights" isn't going to leave any fair-minded person confused about whether you hate men or whatever.
Im not sure. I think the word has a lot of weird baggage to it sometimes that I don't necessarily want to attach myself to. I lean towards yes though.
Well that's just an example of someone being an opportunist. She's like Dave Rubin, who calls himself a leftist, but is proudly a mouthpiece for conservative ideas.
Well that's just an example of someone being an opportunist. She's like Dave Rubin, who calls himself a leftist, but is proudly a mouthpiece for conservative ideas.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Forget it.
Atom Heart Mother
Banned
if i say no, do i hate women or don't want equality? i mean, yeah equality is cool and all but i'm not really invested in feminism. and new wave feminism isn't really what i'm into.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Yarp
yikes
DeleteMyAccountThankyou
Member
This should be written on subways.
Gunblade47
Neo Member
kinda sorta like this:
Egalitarianism doesn't directly address that one gender suffers much more than the other. It's paints with a broad brush and doesn't address the point nearly as directly.
I believe in equality as an ideal but I do not believe that we are there at this point. All these issues do exist and need to be addressed before we reach that point.
If I believed what you're trying to paint in that comic then I'd be for the status quo. Shoving my head in the sand and denying that these issues do not exist.
I'm both a feminist and a egalitarian.
Honestly to me the two concepts go hand in hand. We can never trully be in an equal society without feminism or other social movements that address inequality. But that doesn't mean believing in it is a sin.
10 seconds in : "feminism is a victim complex". Yeah I'm out lol.
There's a reason this would get you banned mate
Napalm_Frank
Member
If the question is that ''unspecified'' then the answer is probably no because the word at least over here has been run through the mud and lost a lot of its meaning and have basically very little to do with actual common sense everyday politics. Nobody here would ask such a question anyway because unless you are a crazy person you are assumed to support equal rights for both sexes without the need to label yourself because of it.
If you asked me if women should have equal rights ect. then yes, of course. Even then it's not a huge political drive for me though considering I think over here we got it pretty gud when it comes to those types of issues.
Feminist just happens to be one of the many words that have been assassinated in modern political discussion.
If you asked me if women should have equal rights ect. then yes, of course. Even then it's not a huge political drive for me though considering I think over here we got it pretty gud when it comes to those types of issues.
Feminist just happens to be one of the many words that have been assassinated in modern political discussion.
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