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[Meadows]

Yeah

 

[HStallion]

Yeah I know. I didn't blame the entire feminist community in my post. I clearly said "some".

Oh I didn't mean to call you out in particular but this thread is full of a lot,"Well I can't call myself a feminist because there are extreme fringe elements" which is funny as I'm willing to bet that a lot of these people are a part of a huge wide spread groups whether its religion or something else that almost certainly has own extreme fringe elements. Yet you don't hear a lot of people making similar comments about anything but stuff like Feminism.

 

[Messofanego]

Nope


I respond with I'm a "humanist"


Women's rights, All lives, Black lives, LBGT lives Etc..etc should all be covered under that umbrella, No?

No, those movements can't all be bunched up even if they might have some intersections but they have very varying and specific goals. How does all lives matter even fit with them? It was a casually racist and colourblind response to black lives matter.

 

[AuthenticM]

Yes.

Anyone who says other wise has two options.

1. They are confused by what it means.

2. They are an asshole.

yup

 

[azyless]

So you want women to be forced to have children no matter what and then don't want men to have to be responsible for \those children they helped create?

I imagine he means as long as abortion exists, child support shouldn't be mandatory. Makes even less sense otherwise.

 

[ISOM]

Oh I didn't mean to call you out in particular but this thread is full of a lot,"Well I can't call myself a feminist because there are extreme fringe elements" which is funny as I'm willing to bet that a lot of these people are a part of a huge wide spread groups whether its religion or something else that almost certainly has own extreme fringe elements. Yet you don't hear a lot of people making similar comments about anything but stuff like Feminism.

Ah I see. No problem.

 

[platocplx]

Yes. I'm a full on warrior of justice fighting the social villains of the world.

 

[Infinite]

It's not hard finding examples in academia, such as some saying there are no innate differences between the sexes. Sexes not gender. That's plain unscientific.

But practically speaking how does that play out concerning modern day feminist issues? I'm not saying the assertion isn't unscientific but like one of the biggest feminists fights today, reproductive rights, kinda inherently assumes there is biological differences between the two sexes.

 

[sixteen-bit]

you bet

 

[Ros8105]

Fuck No!

Feminism in its current form is pure insanity to me. Rife hypocrisy and double standards.

This.

 

[RageWaffles]

No.

First off I'm married and have both a son and daughter. This might seem like a ramble but here goes...The politics of fringe feminism bother me too much. I also believe men and women are intrinsically different in terms of personality and this leads to them usually having different goals and means to achieve them. This often creates a false perceived inequality both directions. Sexual politics and the societal view of a females role in sex is always going to muddy the waters as does childbirth, motherhood and so on. The biology isn't equal but that doesn't mean better or worse just different.

In terms of equality of personhood, treatment under the law, employment, anything less than equal shouldn't be possible and really this goes for anyone.

You're of course welcome to believe whatever you want, but this is not reality.

Different people have different personalities, and women and men are socialized in different ways. Some naturally fit their gender's societal-defined mold; and some don't, and those people are often pressured or forced, starting at a very young age, to "act like a lady" or "stop acting like a girl" and such. It's cultural, not biological.

 

[MsKrisp]

Just running through the last of the thread and I have to ask, do some people not realize "humanist" is a type of atheist? They're like a church and do charitable things but without the god or tax exempt status part (slogan is "good without god" or something like that)

 

[SlipperyFishes]

Yes.

Being a feminist doesn't make you less of a man. Sucks to be the type who won't see that.

 

[Gattsu25]

I've been asked this question before and said yes then and will say yes again.

Why wouldn't I want equal rights for women?

 

[Joni]

I like to think I treat men and women equally, but I don't think I do enough in positive change to use that title.

 

[ArgyleReptile]

Most definitely.

 

[Azoor]

I don't feel the need to put a label on myself to fight discrimination. If we are fighting for a good cause, does it matter to have the label X attached to it? I don't think so.

 

[Faiz]

"In that I unequivocally believe women and men should be afforded the same rights, compensation, etc as men, yes. If you're idea of feminism is something else that has nothing to do with me."

 

[entremet]

But practically speaking how does that play out concerning modern day feminist issues? I'm not saying the assertion isn't unscientific but like one of the biggest feminists fights today, reproductive rights, kinda inherently assumes there is biological differences between the two sexes.

Because these theories filter down into actual policy, such education.

If you have a researcher that wants to look into variations in male and female learning styles in STEM and ways to bridge that gap, that research may be shouted down as sexist without looking into the fundamental efficacy long term.

Incidentally, some unique methods to teach girls math and science to help brideg that gap have been tried to much success, but even insinuating that to some academic is tantamount to bigotry.

So yes, it matters.

 

[Hickbilly Deluxe]

So you want women to be forced to have children no matter what and then don't want men to have to be responsible for those children they helped create?

No. If women have the right to choose to be mothers, men should be able to choose to be fathers. If women can't choose, then men can't either. Fair is fair.

 

[Famassu]

It's not hard finding examples in academia, such as some saying there are no innate differences between the sexes. Sexes not gender. That's plain unscientific.

I would say those biological differences do exist but they aren't absolute + so much of it is influenced by the environment that as such, dismissing feminism because of such "women and men are inherently different" reasoning is kinda BS.

 

[MsKrisp]

Nope. And as long as abortion exists and child support is mandatory, I won't be.

Child support isn't mandatory, it's determined in court. Because I work for a living and my ex makes his money under the table so he appears to have no income, I get jack shit. I will agree that family court is skewed towards women but there's a lot more to it than that

 

[iPaul93]

Nah.

 

[entremet]

I would say those biological differences do exist but they aren't absolute + so much of it is influenced by the environment that as such, dismissing feminism because of such "women and men are inherently different" reasoning is kinda BS.

Well obviously. We're taking about distribution here.

Your latter point is also something I agree but hard to study. Wickedly hard.

 

[wideface]

Yes.

 

[Captain Smoker]

You're of course welcome to believe whatever you want, but this is not reality.

Different people have different personalities, and women and men are socialized in different ways. Some naturally fit their gender's societal-defined mold; and some don't, and those people are often pressured or forced, starting at a very young age, to "act like a lady" or "stop acting like a girl" and such. It's cultural, not biological.

Women and men are different in certain areas on average. (Example - sexuality: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...rs/201102/does-sexuality-differ-men-and-women)

I think people confuse that "men and women deserve equal rights" equals "there is no difference between men and women".


There is for example no discussion about the fact that men and women are different in height & body structure on average: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide

Therefore men have physical advantages to women which affects our society of course (just an example). That does not conclude that women should have less rights than men though.


And isn't society and sozialising in certain ways also part of human nature? (This is not an argument but a genuine question)

 

[spons]

No. I support equality, but I don't count myself as a feminist, especially not the radical type. I've come to largely dislike the current feminist wave with people like Anita Sarkeesian, hiding behind Twitter and Tumblr. I know she's not the poster girl for feminism she wanted to be before she slid back into obscurity, but she added fuck all to the cause. It's like the Autism Speaks for feminism. Absolute garbage.

 

[Baleoce]

I support women's rights and gender equality, yes.

This is my basic understanding of the term. To which my answer is also yes.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

What about consenting adult who acted in a scene that shows the female counterpart being abused? This seems to be running rampart in the Japanese AV industry. I think that starts to step into the questionable territory for sure.

Like what, BDSM? Absolutely fine as long as its consensual and non exploitative. There is nothing anti-feminist about BDSM or role-playing. In fact the strongest feminists I've met were through BDSM channels. I can't speak about the JAV industry but given Japan as a whole it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a large portion of it fails to meet the standard of treating its female actors as people.

My interpretation does not really matter. I do not view feminism or rather some of its stated goals in a negative light. The problem is that the nature of such movements is there is a lot of disagreement as to what the term even means. As a result the general public views the term in a negative light and I don't feel the blanket term properly identifies my views, and would carry the unfortunate disadvantage of associating with groups I definitely don't agree with.

Moreover the question of 'Are you a feminist' isn't a question about one's views but of one's identity.

So you view it as tainted even though you don't view it negatively? The general public doesn't matter, they're not the ones claiming it is tainted. You did.

 

[Vanillalite]

I tend to just say I'm for women's rights and leave it at that.

I don't know enough about the label itself or what the person asking thinks about the label to say yes I'm a feminist.

 

[collige]

Fuckin' of course

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I guess? I think any human being should treat everyone equally until they give you a reason not to

 

[HStallion]

No. If women have the right to choose to be mothers, men should be able to choose to be fathers. If women can't choose, then men can't either. Fair is fair.

Except that isn't fair at all and just equating the two shows that in the first place.

 

[Ratrat]

Sure. But I dont get why some people are so hung up on it. Some people are confused with the definition, but as long as they agree with what it really stands for, who gives a shit　what label they want or dont.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

No. If women have the right to choose to be mothers, men should be able to choose to be fathers. If women can't choose, then men can't either. Fair is fair.

They can. Condoms and/or vasectomy

 

[jph139]

I would say those biological differences do exist but they aren't absolute + so much of it is influenced by the environment that as such, dismissing feminism because of such "women and men are inherently different" reasoning is kinda BS.

I think that's something that feminism - in my experience, academically - fails to address, though. Like, I would say that, due to biological AND cultural factors, women are more passive than men. That's vague, but as an example, they're less likely to pursue what they want as strongly. A lot of people have an immediate knee-jerk reaction to that.

But the issue isn't a man/woman one. It's that, as a culture, we've condemned passivity as inferior. Like, that's part of the reason for a wage gap - women aren't as willing to ask for a raise. Women are punished for having womanly traits. The very idea of "womanly traits" sounds negative, doesn't it?

A lot of rhetoric I've seen - much of which is older, I admit - says that women need to rise to the position of men. I think that's wrongheaded. We need to dismiss the idea that the masculine position is by nature any more valuable than the feminine.

If anyone, man or woman, wants to take on a traditionally feminine role - child-rearing, home-making, emotional reasoning, communication - they should be encouraged to do so. And vice-versa for masculine roles. Or both, or neither. None of them are by nature better than others.

I'd consider myself a feminist, but the rejection of the traditionally feminine is one of my main points of disagreement.

 

[stump sock]

I mean probably not because I don't see myself as someone qualified to speak for women or say what's right for them. I'd probably prefer to leave that to women.

That said, I fully support equal rights, pay, etc etc, and will always vote towards or voice my support to those principles.

 

[Moose Biscuits]

Yeah, sure, words are free. As long as I don't actually have to do anything and I'm not greatly inconvenienced then why not

 

[ArjanN]

I support women's rights and gender equality, yes.

So do I but I'd probably still answer no, because textbook definition aside it's a loaded term.

I also kind of feel it would have to be backed up by some sort of activism, and not just by trying not to be a dick in your day to day life.

 

[Nephtis]

Not a fan of the label feminist, but I do support women's rights. However, I also support men's rights. If you interpret my supporting women's rights and gender equality as me being a feminist, then go for it. But I won't use the label on me.

 

[Sheentak]

I support feminism but I wouldn't label myself one as Im a man

 

[HStallion]

I support feminism but I wouldn't label myself one as Im a man

You can be a man and a feminist.

 

[BajiBoxer]

I support feminism but I wouldn't label myself one as Im a man

Feminist doesn't mean "woman".

 

[Inferno313]

Absolutely.

 

[HvySky]

Yeah, of course.

 

[Theonik]

So you view it as tainted even though you don't view it negatively? The general public doesn't matter, they're not the ones claiming it is tainted. You did.

I agree on the principle. Many feminsts don't. I do not like the label, and definitely don't want to identify with it. I don't see why this is difficult to grasp.

They can. Condoms and/or vasectomy

In this example above the woman can choose to terminate the child which is fine, it is her body after all, but the father not only has to accept that decision, they also have to pay child support, when whether to terminate the child or not was not their choice. There is many aspects to the law here that are out of date with modern social norms which create pressure on both sides.

The motivation behind these laws in the first place was the man's traditional role as 'bread winner' and to force them to provide for their families. The side-effect for the woman of course is that this perception ultimately hurts her, and is the source of much of the prejudice against women in the workplace. You cannot tackle one without tackling the other.

 

[Corpsepyre]

I am not. However, I have extensively studied feminist Jurtisprudence at my law school, and there are a number of writers I tend to agree with, and also several I don't agree with, i.e many radical feminists.

 

[Impeccable]

Labels in general are ruining politics as a whole.

 

[Professor Renegade]

Yes.

Ultimately, on the most basic of basic levels, if you believe that there should be equality amongst sexes and genders, then your a feminist.

 

[pancakesandsex]

Yes, but I won't pass any purity test.