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[valparaiso]

anybody know if women get private toilets/showers/rooms in the military? obentou japan japan nikkei nissan

interesting question, i say! always wondered that myself.

 

[Gaborn]

I don't support gays being kicked out of the military for being gay.

I don't support one's sexual orientation being forcibly kept private in ANY OTHER job besides the military.

All I'm saying is that the military is fundamentally different from any other job, and combined with America's cultural stance towards homosexuality, it might be best for gay men serving in the armed forces to keep their sexual orientation private.

I don't know why kryptonian keeps comparing the military to working in an office.

I don't even care, personally. If I enlisted in the Army, I could really give a shit whether anybody in my squad was gay. It wouldn't make a difference to me in the slightest. The only thing is, I know for a fact that other people in the squad would not be so accepting.

I agree with you, that's why there are officers around that enforce the idea that whether you grew up hating blacks, or jews, or muslims, or people who speak spanish, or, well, anything, it doesn't matter anymore. I'm not saying that allowing gay men to be open about their sexuality and still serve in the army would have zero impact. I'm sure there would be cases where it would have a disproportionately negative effect, just as I'm sure in other cases it would have a strong positive bonding effect to increase the trust factor an army needs.

But then, all of that is ultimately irrelevant until someone does something they shouldn't do, whether that's a gay guy in the shower or a straight guy in the shower threatening the gay guy, it's the officers jobs to enforce discipline. I'm pretty sure if they could handle 60% of the army not happy with integration in the armed forces they can handle the 30% or so that have a problem or somewhat of a problem with gay men potentially being allowed to write a letter to their boyfriend or have a picture of them with them without being kicked out.

 

[Atrus]

Look, this isn't the perfect utopian worlds of Huxley. People have their own opinions and have their own beliefs and its always going to conflict with you or someone else. The quicker people can get to accepting THAT the quicker we can move towards finding common ground, but until then? it's always going to be a battle.

The number of people who hold beliefs does not in any way infer that the beliefs should be tolerated. History has shown that there can be no appeasement of hate-mongers or tyrants and there is no ground that lies beneath the equitable treatment of human beings. Their beliefs are literally groundless.

They should be forcing people to adapt to higher social standards. Humans are very resilient and resourceful, and they have and will continue to adapt to bigger changes.

If they do not want to adapt, then they are shit out of luck. Since society has moved on without them they can either revolt silently or loudly. Either way, as long as the standards are upheld, their beliefs will lose and they will shrink to a minority.

This is not a case of fair and unfair, it is a case of the inequality of an individuals liberty and because of that no inch should be given to anyone arrayed against it.