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[Pedigree Chum]

This is eerily similar to how DC was treated early on. I am NOT saying that X360 is the next DC, etc, just that 3rd parties seem to be holding back on next-gen dev on 360. Just look at all the ports and underwhelming games that are coming out soon. Compare this to PS2 where developers basically jumped headfirst into next-gen, I don't really see that with X360 at the moment. Sure there's exceptions like FN3, but for every one of those you've got a Burnout Revenge 1.5 or Far Cry 1.5...its really depressing to see :/

Hopefully 3rd parties stop jerking us around and really show what X360 can do, cause there's no way I'm supporting lazy refried shit. I can forgive launch stuff, but this is 2006, the first year of the X360...I expect a lot out of devs and the majority of them are just not putting the money/effort into the system yet.

If you're going to charge premium prices for next-gen software, I expect premium software.

 

[Mac the KNife]

They're lazy. Plus early adapters are suckers.

 

[Wario64]

So you're back on GAF now? lol

It's all part of the cycle. First few months, developers make their cheap ports. The real games have yet to come

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Did you suddenly forget about the PS2? There were loads of PS1-over-to-PS2 rush jobs, barely improved (and in some cases, worsened in the process) DC/PC-to-PS2 titles early in the lifespan of that system, too. Hell, every system gets a decent lot of them in the first year or so...it's just how it is. But no one seems to remember that.

By fall, I'd expect there to be far more made for next-gen titles hitting next-gen systems, at least on the 360 and Revolution side of things, proportionately.

 

[rod]

So you're back on GAF now? lol

It's all part of the cycle. First few months, developers make their cheap ports. The real games have yet to come

....well colour me suprised, i TOTALLY agree

 

[Suikoguy]

So you're back on GAF now? lol

It's all part of the cycle. First few months, developers make their cheap ports. The real games have yet to come

Its one of the disadvantages to launching earlier then you should *ducks for cover*

 

[Hitman]

It's Microsoft's fault, they released the console when the last gen was not even done yet. Games are sitll coming out for the ps2 generation.. why do YOU think there's someone ports.

 

[Borys]

They do?

Had PS3 launched first the situation would be similiar. Nice Japanese titles and quick western PC ports.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

It's Microsoft's fault, they released the console when the last gen was not even done yet. Games are sitll coming out for the ps2 generation.. why do YOU think there's someone ports.

Umm...but the previous gen is never done until the next one comes in.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Umm...but the previous gen is never done until the next one comes in.

I'm thinking hes saying that the release of the 360 sudden in that Developers hadn't been transitioning over to the Next Generation and still had games for PS2 and Xbox going into next year. So it would be natural to port these games from another console.

I agree that it happens in all launches to a degree.

 

[Andy787]

If you're going to blame someone, blame Microsoft. They rushed to market, they get rushed product. For that matter, I would blame a lot of the industry's current problems on Microsoft.

Doesn't mean the 360 isn't a great system, though.

 

[White Man]

If you're going to blame someone, blame Microsoft. They rushed to market, they get rushed product. For that matter, I would blame a lot of the industry's current problems on Microsoft.

Doesn't mean the 360 isn't a great system, though.

I'd blame the industry's problems on factors that are largely out of its control. The forward march of technology, instead of making development easier, makes it much more difficult in many ways, and thus more costly. This problem is nobody's fault, really -- tech always moves forward, and so do customers' expectations.

I will blame Hollywood for injecting the movie format wars into this gaming gen. I'd hate to think an inferior system could end up with the upper hand just because the next equivalent to The Matrix ends up exclusive to one format or the other.

 

[Mac the KNife]

If you're going to blame someone, blame Microsoft. They rushed to market, they get rushed product. For that matter, I would blame a lot of the industry's current problems on Microsoft.

Doesn't mean the 360 isn't a great system, though.

Man, how awesome would it be if both the PS3 and X360 launched on the same day? Then we'd know for sure...

 

[jamesinclair]

Look at the DS, western devs still arent fully onboard. Seriously, the only western quality title I can think of is Tony Hawk. EA, Ubisoft and Activision have done crap (Whac-a-freaking-mole?)

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I'm thinking hes saying that the release of the 360 sudden in that Developers hadn't been transitioning over to the Next Generation and still had games for PS2 and Xbox going into next year.

Okay, but it's always been like this. I think that when PS3's software is shown (soon hopefully) for what we'll likely see released in the first 6 months, this is going to be clearer to many who seem to not remember that this is how it always is regardless of a (looking at a six-month) difference in initial release in initial territory. I think people have somehow decided that because X360's launch seemed really rushed (it was), that somehow Sony PS3 will be the exact opposite, with regard to software. I doubt it. Seriously doubt it.

 

[White Man]

Look at the DS, western devs still arent fully onboard. Seriously, the only western quality title I can think of is Tony Hawk. EA, Ubisoft and Activision have done crap (Whac-a-freaking-mole?)

It's not like Japanese devs have done much better.

 

[Ganondorf>Link]

It's not like Japanese devs have done much better.

Japan (excluding Nintendo):

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Sonic Rush
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
Puyo Pop Fever
Feel the Magic: XY/XX
Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble
Pac Pix
Pac n' Roll
Nanostray
Lost in Blue


West:

Tony Hawk's American Sk8land
Bomberman
Zoo Keeper
Ultimate Spider-Man
Star Wars Episode III
Chronicles of Narnia
Harry Potter: Goblet of Fire
Madden
The Sims 2


Uh, yeah Japan > West as far as DS games go.

 

[Infernal Monkey]

Compare this to PS2 where developers basically jumped headfirst into next-gen

For every SSX or TimeSplitter there was a Rayman Revolution or RC Revenge.

(Oh and Zoo Keeper's a Japanese game)

 

[White Man]

Japan (excluding Nintendo):

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Sonic Rush
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Trauma Center: Under the Knife
Puyo Pop Fever
Feel the Magic: XY/XX
Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble
Pac Pix
Pac n' Roll
Nanostray
Lost in Blue


West:

Tony Hawk's American Sk8land
Bomberman
Zoo Keeper
Ultimate Spider-Man
Star Wars Episode III
Chronicles of Narnia
Harry Potter: Goblet of Fire
Madden
The Sims 2


Uh, yeah Japan > West as far as DS games go.

It's a loser's bet, since most of those Japanese games either could've been done well on the GBA, or just plain suck ass.

 

[Cold-Steel]

The DS has had its share of Western exclusives though.

-Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
-Goldeneye: Rogue Agent
-Tony Hawk's American Sk8teland
-Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

CT was a port of the N-Gage version with DS exclusive features and Episode III was a rush port of the GBA version with space combat thrown in.

Outside of Rogue Agent and Sk8teland, I don't think there's been a solid ground-up DS exclusive.

It's shame Rogue Agent didn't do well because if it was a quality product, we'd be seeing more exclusive FPS' on the DS.

 

[jamesinclair]

Wait, isnt Nanostray a western game?

The western publishers that have released most DS games are:

EA: Sports games (best being FIFA), NFS games, Sims games. EA hates the DS.
and
Majesco: Decent budget line.


While Japan is bringing in better stuff.

For every Japan flop (Shogun) there are many western calamities. Marvel Nemisis. Mole. Elf Bowling. Burnout.


However, once again. Tony Hawk is a great game. Everyone go buy it. Or send a check to the devs.

 

[hukasmokincaterpillar]

Okay, but it's always been like this. I think that when PS3's software is shown (soon hopefully) for what we'll likely see released in the first 6 months, this is going to be clearer to many who seem to not remember that this is how it always is regardless of a (looking at a six-month) difference in initial release in initial territory. I think people have somehow decided that because X360's launch seemed really rushed (it was), that somehow Sony PS3 will be the exact opposite, with regard to software. I doubt it.

The contention isnt really about rushed software or 1st gen games being unable to take full advantage of the hardware. Its simply about 3rd parties tarting up ports of their current-gen games and calling it next gen software (Gun, Tony Hawk, Far Cry, now Burnout etc.) Its pretty lame but an easy way to cash in on the fervor of a new platform hungry for content. As for the PS3, I doubt they'll see nearly as many of these "last-gen" ports at launch simply because 360 being first means they're taking much of the brunt of this transition for them. Next gen development for 3rd parties will ramp up once everyone is at the dinner table, and to be perfectly blunt about it the most anticipated guest isnt scheduled to arrive for a couple more months yet.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

The contention isnt really about rushed software or 1st gen games being unable to take full advantage of the hardware. Its simply about 3rd parties tarting up ports of their current-gen games and calling it next gen software (Gun, Tony Hawk, Far Cry, now Burnout etc.) Its pretty lame but an easy way to cash in on the fervor of a new platform hungry for content. As for the PS3, I doubt they'll see nearly as many of these "last-gen" ports at launch simply because 360 being first means they're taking much of the brunt of this transition for them. Next gen development for 3rd parties will ramp up once everyone is at the dinner table, and to be perfectly blunt about it the most anticipated guest isnt scheduled to arrive for a couple more months yet.

Yeah, I get that...but I don't see it being any less of an issue (if you have one with it anyway) with PS3, honestly. The difference in timing is not much, with Sony more than likely having a better showing off the line, but not by much, IMHO. Guess we'll see. I'd rather be skeptical than overly optimistic so as to not set myself up for disappointment like I think many will suffer.

 

[krypt0nian]

It's all part of the cycle. First few months, developers make their cheap ports. The real games have yet to come

Simple as that really. Add to it the rush to market and it makes sense.


Welcome back, Chum!

 

[Redbeard]

If they didn't do quick and easy ports they wouldn't have anything ready. It's not like a true next-gen Far Cry (or Burnout, or Blazing Angels, or _ ) would've been coming out in a few months instead of a port.

 

[Animal]

When they stop feeling the need to rush a game out.

 

[Dave Long]

I will blame Hollywood for injecting the movie format wars into this gaming gen. I'd hate to think an inferior system could end up with the upper hand just because the next equivalent to The Matrix ends up exclusive to one format or the other.

This is not Hollywood that put movie format wars into the mix. You can place that squarely at the feet of Microsoft and Sony. They are to blame for supporting competing standards. The head of Warner Bros. specifically said this in an interview, that he and other executives are super pissed at being drug into the console format war.

 

[Joico]

They think since the game's next-gen people will buy it without question. Because it's the newest thing out on the market.