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When will be the right time to bring back Guitar Hero?
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SolidSnakex
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I don't think that anyone is denying that GH was milked. What we're saying is that the same applies to Rock Band. Lego and Green Day should've been released as DLC expansions or games. The problem with music games is that the the publishers/devs rarely did that. They constantly wanted to flood the market with retail products that were barely different from the last one except that it had new songs. The end result is that people just eventually grew tired of them because the games really weren't evolving all that much. Just Dance will eventually fall into the same thing. UBI probably has a few more years of being able to milk that series before people just become tired of it.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Next gen. More. Video gamey. Playing on space ships. New graphics. New art style. Just guitar. Playing for score, not the band experience.
Imo
Imo
EnderWiggles
Member
I hope they release Dubstep Hero first.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I want dj hero to come back before guitar hero
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
I won't argue about the Green Day thing, but you're in the gross minority if you think Warriors of Rock is better than Rock Band 3.
Rock Band 3 for 360 sits at a 93 on metacritic, while Warrios of Rock for 360 trails behind with a 72. You're just not right on this one.
This.
Also, Rock Band pretty much made Guitar Hero irrelevant. It's been clear who's been leading the way for quite a few years and they couldn't play catch up fast enough.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Ninja Scooter
Member
but Rock Band is irrelevant too.
Honestly, I maintain my belief that Activision killed the plastic instrument genre the moment they told Hamonix to forget the full band deal, and just make another guitar-only game.
That decision caused Harmonix to go off and make RB, dividing the market. Then RB's success caused Activision to push out their own full band box.
If Activision had just supported Harmonix's initiative, we would have had a single primary plastic instrument series, and the market would never have been split. Of course, that doesn't mean Activision would not still have pushed to get five GH games out in a single year.
Oh, and Lego and GD were indeed milking the genre. However, considering it would have made them far more money to release the setlists as DLC, this suggestion was just wrong:
Also, LegoRB was one of the best RB games, with easily the best career mode.
That decision caused Harmonix to go off and make RB, dividing the market. Then RB's success caused Activision to push out their own full band box.
If Activision had just supported Harmonix's initiative, we would have had a single primary plastic instrument series, and the market would never have been split. Of course, that doesn't mean Activision would not still have pushed to get five GH games out in a single year.
Oh, and Lego and GD were indeed milking the genre. However, considering it would have made them far more money to release the setlists as DLC, this suggestion was just wrong:
Also, LegoRB was one of the best RB games, with easily the best career mode.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I still contend that the market was gonna drop out of the genre eventually no matter how few games they put out, so why not milk the shit out of it while you can? Eventually people were going to get sick of having a bunch of plastic instruments lying around. Eventually casuals were going to stop having "Guitar Hero/Rock band Night!" and move on to the next fad. There was never a long term future for it.
Still alive in purgatory.
Community Forum
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I would love a new DJ Hero. My problem with that game is that I feel the career mode is basically non-existent. I put DJ Hero 2 in the other day, and there's nothing for me to do. I made it through the "career" so quickly, and the game doesn't even really track if you've beat a track on medium or hard or whatever. It is seriously lacking some single player challenges, or at least a screen that can tell you what level you beat a song on, so you can go back and try a higher level or whatever. I feel like there's no point for me to play it. Something is missing. I know this because I love EDM and the game tells me I've only played it for 4 hours and some odd minutes.
Not as much as Guitar Hero.
There's going to be a new XBLA Rock Band game coming out soon too.
exmachina64
Banned
When Bobby Kotick is no longer CEO.
True.
Harmonix bought themselves from EA, and they're no longer tied to MTV. Technically, they're publishing through MadCatz, but they're basically doing everything.
I know that people play up certain developers as being truly connected with gamers, but Harmonix has shown themselves to be absolutely in it for the love of what they do. And to go 233 weeks with constant DLC is something no other developer has come close to.
Honestly, if there's a RB game next generation that uses all the DLC that I've already purchased, I'm absolutely fine buying a few new instruments. I don't see that happening (and already plan to have a 360 set as a "RB Machine" when next gen hits) but it'd be nice if it did.
I know that people play up certain developers as being truly connected with gamers, but Harmonix has shown themselves to be absolutely in it for the love of what they do. And to go 233 weeks with constant DLC is something no other developer has come close to.
Honestly, if there's a RB game next generation that uses all the DLC that I've already purchased, I'm absolutely fine buying a few new instruments. I don't see that happening (and already plan to have a 360 set as a "RB Machine" when next gen hits) but it'd be nice if it did.
Do you expect me to be ashamed? I bought one (orange) and it is fantastic. I also bought the MadCatz Wooden Replica Strat, and the Squier Rock Band Pro Strat.Anyone here thatÂ’ll admit to buying those Logitech guitars?
Robot Pants
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Make one more, sell DLC for it for the entire generation. GOOD DLC. Actual good music.
Then when the generation is over, repeat.
Then when the generation is over, repeat.
Dead Man Typing
Member
I think the launch of next generation systems would be a great time to bring back Rock Band.
People want to know that their DLC is going to carry over to new platforms and if Harmonix could provide a Rock Band 4 at launch which was backwards compatible with all wireless/USB instruments and (most importantly) previously purchased Rock Band tracks then it would be a very attractive launch game. (especially if they can add some kind of next gen feature to make the experience more social or Kinect enabled for recognising players or whatever)
I was at a Rock Band party last weekend and it's still a great experience if you can get the people and the instruments together.
Guitar Hero did have some song exports but they don't have the same library that Rock Band can use to leverage users. I'll be buying Rock Band Blitz just because I can play my 300 DLC/export songs on it.
Guitar Hero would have to come back with something pretty special to play catch up to what Rock Band has built. Both in library and loyal user base.
EDIT: Full loyalty disclosure:
Bought Guitar Hero 2 after playing it at a friend's house (plus guitar)
Guitar Hero 3 (plus guitar)
Rock Band 2 solo (used GH3 guitar)
Rock Band 1 (bought for export0
Beatles: Rock Band (solo)
LEGO Rock band (solo)
RB1 guitar bought for ÂŁ10
Beatles RB guitar - Gretsch bought for ÂŁ30
Rock Band 3 + Keyboard
GH Metallica (bought for ÂŁ5 new)
Selected Rock Band DLC bought over the last 4 years and the exports from RB1, RB2 and LEGO RB)
I'm definitely a Rock Band guy compared to Guitar Hero, but they both went too far with the disc releases.
People want to know that their DLC is going to carry over to new platforms and if Harmonix could provide a Rock Band 4 at launch which was backwards compatible with all wireless/USB instruments and (most importantly) previously purchased Rock Band tracks then it would be a very attractive launch game. (especially if they can add some kind of next gen feature to make the experience more social or Kinect enabled for recognising players or whatever)
I was at a Rock Band party last weekend and it's still a great experience if you can get the people and the instruments together.
Guitar Hero did have some song exports but they don't have the same library that Rock Band can use to leverage users. I'll be buying Rock Band Blitz just because I can play my 300 DLC/export songs on it.
Guitar Hero would have to come back with something pretty special to play catch up to what Rock Band has built. Both in library and loyal user base.
EDIT: Full loyalty disclosure:
Bought Guitar Hero 2 after playing it at a friend's house (plus guitar)
Guitar Hero 3 (plus guitar)
Rock Band 2 solo (used GH3 guitar)
Rock Band 1 (bought for export0
Beatles: Rock Band (solo)
LEGO Rock band (solo)
RB1 guitar bought for ÂŁ10
Beatles RB guitar - Gretsch bought for ÂŁ30
Rock Band 3 + Keyboard
GH Metallica (bought for ÂŁ5 new)
Selected Rock Band DLC bought over the last 4 years and the exports from RB1, RB2 and LEGO RB)
I'm definitely a Rock Band guy compared to Guitar Hero, but they both went too far with the disc releases.
butter_stick
Banned
This. Only I've spent more.
Guitar Hero and Rock Band were 90% identical and people that act like one company were angels and the other were scum are fanboys (pardon my language)
Curious, what would you consider good DLC?
In the past year, the DLC has had an enormous variety of songs, I can't anyone liking all of it, but the names have all been rather big, so I'd be surprised if someone claimed there wasn't anything good....
Scott32020
Member
Beaten
Identical games does not equate to identically run businesses. Personally, I'd say I'm a Harmonix fanboy, but I'd also claim that they've earned it. I don't think a valid case could be made that their decision to keep RB alive over the past year and a half was because of money. Activision saw that there really wasn't much more money to be made in the genre, so they put GH to bed. From a business standpoint, Activision handled it more or less as well as they could have, but they really didn't care about anything except the bottom line. Harmonix, of course, cared about the bottom line, but also had another motivator.
butter_stick
Banned
Harmonix have kept Rock Band alive because they're reasonably small and there's nothing else they could be better spent doing. They drop support for games that aren't profitable. The second Rock Band DLC doesn't make money, it ends. Happened with the PSP game, it'll happen with home console game.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Never, sadly. Once a franchise is ran to the ground there isn't really a way to resurrect it - see: Tony Hawk
bububu they truly care about the fans! They released a Green Day full game before there's any Pink Floyd or Cream in the game.
Stronghammer22
Member
Agreed. I couldn't give a damn about Guitar Hero anymore personally, I bought 2,3,5 and Aerosmith, that is enough Guitar Hero for a lifetime for me. Another DJ Hero on the other hand, I would buy in a heartbeat. DJ Hero 2 was so amazing, the mixes were a lot better than those in the first game and it had some subtle but welcome improvements. In terms of structure, sure, the career is not exactly breaking the mold, but the fun for me is in simply playing the songs and trying to get the highest score. In line with that, I like how it shows your friends score when selecting songs and playing them.
I was so pissed off when DJ Hero was included in the announcement. I thought cancelling Guitar Hero was long overdue, but DJ Hero was just starting to hit its stride.
Rock band 2 added the ability to use cymbals even though there was no specific charting for it. The Beatles was separate because of label requirements. Lego and Green Day were not needed. Rock band 3 added charted cymbals, pro guitar, pro bass, keyboard. You can't say they were simple incremental releases.
But one thing..one really major thing that all these games have is the ability to move all the music to be playable in the next iteration (except Beatles) which is something Guitar Hero never accomplished.
With Rock Band, you could actually move on to the next game and not need the old one.
I wish DDR would make a comeback. We didn't even get the current-gen releases in Europe. I miss those kind of rhythm games, where the gameplay isn't really replicating anything real. DJ Hero was good for that, too.
Still, the plastic instrument fad was good while it lasted. I have many fond memories of playing with friends, hardcore and casual alike. Same with everything in gaming, really.
Mind you, the recent fighting game revival gives me hope.
Still, the plastic instrument fad was good while it lasted. I have many fond memories of playing with friends, hardcore and casual alike. Same with everything in gaming, really.
Mind you, the recent fighting game revival gives me hope.
Plus you started playing on the first bad Guitar Hero game, after Harmonix had moved on to Rock Band. That's a really sad story.
My god, this.
You could just tell that the team behind DJ Hero was passionate about trying to make people feel like DJ's by using that little silly looking plastic turntable. And it was amazing, heck, they allowed the use of GH guitars and vocals and whatnot. An impossible dream from me is that somehow HMX adds support to the turntable and chart some Daft Punk songs with the rest of the instruments or something.
Like someone in a previous post said, GH people didn't had the thing for doing GH, it seems to me that they were just a bunch of developers trying to keep up with the insane "release a GH game every year" schedule that Acti pushed on them, also, let's not forget how the DLC from WoR didn't work with GH5 (the best one in the series, IMO) and 5 DLC didn't work with GH:WT. I don't know about you, but this to me seems a lot worse than releasing "expansion packs" with DLC transferable to the RB platform.
Also, honest question, do you think that the release of many Rock Band games had something to do with the pairing with EA? Let's not forget how they included a code for new copies only to make the exports on Lego and Green Day, it certainly sounds like an EA move since you could just pay a license up for RB1 and export away, then borrow or sell the game to someone else to pay his export fee without getting a whole new RB1.
And the non-export of Beatles is HMX fault? Yeah, okay. Apple Corps were quite generous to allow the digital distribution of The Beatles catalog before RB. Oh wait.
FieryBalrog
Member
I pretty much played Guitar Hero because I didn't like the Rock Band guitar with the recessed buttons.
I don't really want to buy anymore peripherals. I have a plastic guitar, that should be enough. I wouldn't mind a new release at some point, but I also don't care that much. It was more of a specific thing with specific friends who I don't live near anymore.
I don't really want to buy anymore peripherals. I have a plastic guitar, that should be enough. I wouldn't mind a new release at some point, but I also don't care that much. It was more of a specific thing with specific friends who I don't live near anymore.