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[EdibleKnife]

Is it much of a complement when you're telling them that they're brainwashed for wanting to change their body? Seems more like an insult than a compliment.

Ah! Well from that perspective, I completely understand why it would be insulting to hear. Society no doubt does need to change its rigid standards of beauty but on an individual level, not every instance of someone wanting to be more fit is the result of sourness after seeing a billboard

 

[Jobbs]

Okay I just finished my exam. I'll format a good answer in a little sec.



You wouldn't tell a girl you find her attractive, in any situation?

I'm talking about random dude talking about all women, not specific cases where it's appropriate.

if you can try to imagine it -- women generally make choices about things like style and fashion and their bodies that *they* like

 

[Stereogatari]

What has their wish to be fitter to do with you liking them how they are? Do you think they just do this for you?

No of course not. It's just a natural reaction isn't it. I find them sexually attractive and they don't like their body image. Natural instinctive reaction is confusion.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

You wouldn't tell a girl you find her attractive, in any situation?

Everyone would, but your posts make it sound like they are brainwashed or stupid because they want to loose some weight. And Woman not only do this because they want to look more attractiv to men, sometimes they just dont feel good or want to be more fitter or more healthy.

 

[Izuna]

Everyone would, but your posts make it sound like they are brainwashed or stupid because they want to loose some weight. And Woman not only do this because they want to look more attractiv to men, sometimes they just dont feel good or want to be more fitter or more healthy.

Which post? Just so I'm aware.

 

[SolidusDave]

They hate that about themselves.

"I wish I had skinny legs," or "My ass is too fat".

Well to be fair thanks to warped perspectives pretty much every girl says that including the thin ones.

When a fit girl complains about it I tell her she's not, in full disbelief mode.
When a "thick" girl complaints about it I agree as she will be healthier and likely less of a strain for our public health insurance later on. ...but in reality I keep my mouth shut

 

[Izuna]

Well to be fair thanks to warped perspectives pretty much every girl says that including the thin ones.

When a fit girl complains about it I tell her she's not, in full disbelief mode.
When a "thick" girl complaints about it I agree as she will be healthier and likely less of a strain for our public health insurance later on. ...but in reality I keep my mouth shut

See this isn't the sort of thick I am talking about...

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Which post? Just so I'm aware.

The first post for example:

If only they saw themselves the way we see them. This is the true atrocity of society.

I noticed over the course of the thread that your intentions are not that selfish, but it really sounds often like it.

Even when I still disagree in a couple of points and also think that normal weight is the more usual goal then skinny when thicker people want to loose weight.

 

[SolidusDave]

See this isn't the sort of thick I am talking about...

I think you do though

Obviously there are some body types than can be still fit and few organ fat etc. but it seems you have a bigger demographic in mind.

 

[Izuna]

The first post for example:

I noticed over the course of the thread that your intentions are not that selfish, but it really sounds often like it.

Even when I still disagree in a couple of points and also think that normal weight is the more usual goal then skinny when thicker people want to loose weight.

I'll do this without posting pictures because I feel like the message is the same regardless of a person's looks. That being said, allow me to paint a picture:

What I am addressing is this idea that "no one's preference is a curvy girl". Take curvy to mean whatever. I don't mean it to be obese or anything that's harmful to one's health, but fuck it, whatever.

Now say this girl goes out on a date with me. Tinder, met a Uni, OkCupid w/e -- doesn't matter. The subject of "do I like the way you look" is implied, it doesn't need bringing up. Chances are if the date happens, there's "some" attraction, no?

For lack of a better term, I am by no means a "chubby chaser", but different people look nice in different body types. It's always, ALWAYS (read: mostly), the non-skinny girls that say some form of "you're crazy," - "you're just saying that" - "I wish I looked like an entirely different person".

Now, of course, I don't say: 'oh that's the media talking' or some other form of that. Honestly, I don't really know what it is. By this point, I don't know if this person is on a diet, or spends half of their allowance on a gym membership.

Nah, my answer is more like: 'no I mean it,' or 'nah for real,' -- as I said earlier in this same thread, I dating the same girl for years who went from a UK M to a UK XS (M being bigger here than it was where she's from, extrapolate as you see fit). When you're with someone, dating them or w/e, there's a natural need to tell someone that you find them attractive or 'hey you look extra fine today'.

Or are you guys telling me that I should assume anyone who isn't America's Next Top Model is exempt from compliments until they get their shit together? Is it not fine for me to think to myself "well, if you did, I probably wouldn't have picked you out tbf'? You can't say shit like that, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Forgive me for the lack of formal language. I made this thread to round up homies to like girls who are packed full of oestrogen, and who puberty did them a favour with wide hips and curvy figures. Finding a healthy girl who isn't bordering on stick figure that at least understands the love for her body is, at the very least, less likely.

I think you do though

Obviously, there are some body types than can be still fit and few organ fat etc. but it seems you have a bigger demographic in mind.

And you got that idea from where exactly?

Also, fuck that chart for not taking height into account.

 

[Booya_base]

It's hard being in a relationship when you're attracted to that kind of figure when society is doing their utmost to tell them that there's something wrong with carrying a bit of extra weight (I'm not talking about obesity as that's an entirely different issue). I can't begin to imagine the mental drain my GF must go through on a daily basis.

And even then you start to doubt yourself and be like "why do I get turned on by these kinds of women when there are perfectly good 'healthy' people out there". I feel like I'm made to believe that these people are monsters of some sort and by associating with them makes me as bad as these "monsters".

...

Spoiler

Yeah, I hope you understand what I'm getting at.

Wow, I don't think I've ever agreed with a post more.

 

[notaskwid]

Do you mean Kim Kardashian?

 

[Izuna]

Do you mean Kim Kardashian?

Right after her pregnancy, why not.

My ex straight up called her "fat". Had a long talk after that about beauty standards between Asia and America.

for science

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Also, fuck that chart for not taking height into account.

Or bone density.

Or muscle mass.

Or titty mass.

 

[Cudder]

Iskra Lawrence is my textbook definition of curvy/thick. So. Gorgeous.

 

[Izuna]

Iskra Lawrence is my textbook definition of curvy. So. Gorgeous.

yo

 

[God Dayumm]

Nice post, but...

What I am addressing is this idea that "no one's preference is a curvy girl".

No one says that. The real thought is: "No person I find hot's preference is a curvy girl/neckbeard boy". Gotta groom yourself if you are batting for a higher league

 

[Izuna]

No one says that.

Oh, people do say that.

I don't want to address the rest of your post. This idea that curvy girls are "lower" league is bonkers. I understand the prevalence of that sentiment though.

 

[zelas]

no one gives a shit what you think about their body and I can't begin to imagine how obnoxious this must sound to most women

Fight hyperbole with hyperbole, that's the way to do it!

 

[SolidusDave]

I


And you got that idea from where exactly?

Also, fuck that chart for not taking height into account.

Or bone density.

Or muscle mass.

Or titty mass.

uhm... of course height is taking into the BMI..
I'm not going to tell you that the BMI is a perfect metric for everyone but the only thing can really skew it is muscle mass (not tits, not bones). Even then you need such a huge amount that in that case you do not need to worry about your weight/fitness anyway

anyway the whole point of that chart is to show the actual body type that most people with a certain BMI would have (to avoid having to argue against muscles mass, height issues or whatever regarding a numbers-only BMI index which can indeed be misleading). Or the other way around, it allows you to tell me which level of "thick" you are talking about.

edit: btw that slightly overweight level doesn't have to be unhealthy at all. I don't want to say that. more important would be knowing the amount of fat around the organs (see skinny-fat people).

 

[Izuna]

uhm... of course height is taking into the BMI..
I'm not going to tell you that the BMI is a perfect metric for everyone but the only thing can really skew it is muscle mass (not tits, not bones). Even then you need such a huge amount that in that case you do not need to worry about your weight/fitness anyway

anyway the whole point of that chart is to show the actual body type that most people with a certain BMI would have. Or the other way around, it allows you to tell me which level of "thick" you are talking about.

The weight distribution in that chart doesn't take into account of so many body types, so it's pointless. And so what if someone likes someone who IS overweight. Unless you think people who have that preference, and people are overweight themselves, should be publicly shamed, I see no point specifying where on the line is "too thick" for myself.

Overweight is different depending on someone's height etc. also it depends on race/proportions also. It's an oversimplification of body-types.

 

[Zakalwe]

I knew a girl who was overweight who wanted to get healthier, and as she lost weight and fell into her natural curves (and looked great), all she could see was that she wasn't skinny and she would never be and that the effort was pointless.

She looked incredibly healthy, glowing, her figure was obviously well toned, yet her frame wasn't the one being sold on the cover of magazines.

Being overweight is bad for you and if you do something about it you will feel better physically and mentally. A body working at it's most optimal will allow for your brain to work best too. It's important to be healthy and to exercise.

However, people /do/ come in all shapes and sizes naturally, and you can be toned af and run marathons and still not be skinny. And many people can't separate these things.

I think we're progressing away from it, and I hope the "plus size model"movement (which inherently has it's own issues, but that's for another time) isn't just a fad.

 

[The Lamonster]

They hate that about themselves.

"I wish I had skinny legs," or "My ass is too fat".

If only they saw themselves the way we see them. This is the true atrocity of society.

I also like confidence so I've never run into this.

 

[TheMan]

This thread makes me sad that Siri and Karina Hart both retired. They were both absolutely stunning. Look them up if you don't know who they are.

 

[Zaphrynn]

There's some obvious reasons why there's a long way to go for women and beauty standards, especially for women who are outside the standard "norm".

Women, no matter their size, are told how they should look constantly (even more so if they're larger). My friend is overweight, definitely not obese, and she's had people straight-up out of nowhere ask her if she has diabetes. In online dating, she's also had to deal with dudes that fetishize her weight, and get really creepy about it. I'm skinny, and I've had dudes hit on me, then tell me I need to gain more weight. Like wtf? Already had someone in this thread say thigh gaps look unhealthy and someone else's pseudo-concern that obesity and being overweight is bad for public health. We read these things, are told them, etc etc all the time so it's hard to feel like it's ok being in your own skin. Add to that that society pressures women toward thinking their main goal in life is to be attractive to other people, and you'll have some problems lol.

There's obviously a lot more to it, but society does spend a lot of time telling women they look wrong or are wrong for whatever reason.

I'm not saying you came across this way, OP, this was just a more general discussion on why I think women feel shit about their bodies.

Edit: Also, I don't see what's wrong with trying to make your significant other feel better about themselves. I think that's what the OP's trying to get after. I used to have major confidence issues and body-esteem issues, and my boyfriend really helped me find my self-worth. You just gotta be careful how you do it, and make sure they know it's about them and not you. But I was also severely depressed and got help through therapy, so it really depends on the situation.

 

[Kthulhu]

They hate that about themselves.

"I wish I had skinny legs," or "My ass is too fat".

If only they saw themselves the way we see them. This is the true atrocity of society.

Let people feel however they want about their bodies OP.

 

[Izuna]

There's some obvious reasons why there's a long way to go for women and beauty standards, especially for women who are outside the standard "norm".

Women, no matter their size, are told how they should look constantly (even more so if they're larger). My friend is overweight, definitely not obese, and she's had people straight-up out of nowhere ask her if she has diabetes. In online dating, she's also had to deal with dudes that fetishize her weight, and get really creepy about it. I'm skinny, and I've had dudes hit on me, then tell me I need to gain more weight. Like wtf? Already had someone in this thread say thigh gaps look unhealthy and someone else's pseudo-concern that obesity and being overweight is bad for public health. We read these things, are told them, etc etc all the time so it's hard to feel like it's ok being in your own skin. Add to that that society pressures women toward thinking their main goal in life is to be attractive to other people, and you'll have some problems lol.

There's obviously a lot more to it, but society does spend a lot of time telling women they look wrong or are wrong for whatever reason.

I'm not saying you came across this way, OP, this was just a more general discussion on why I think women feel shit about their bodies.

Yeah, there's a distinction to be made here.

This idea of telling people to change isn't what I'm implying, that's fucked. And if someone likes curvy girls, they won't need to mention "I like your love handles"... just "you're pretty af". That's all I'm talking about.

If your friend was complimented in that way, isn't that what people deserve?

To clarify again, telling a girl she's pretty being met with "no I'm fat af are you blind" is tiring.

 

[SolidusDave]

The weight distribution in that chart doesn't take into account of so many body types, so it's pointless. And so what if someone likes someone who IS overweight. Unless you think people who have that preference, and people are overweight themselves, should be publicly shamed, I see no point specifying where on the line is "too thick" for myself.

Overweight is different depending on someone's height etc. also it depends on race/proportions also. It's an oversimplification of body-types.

It's literally a ratio between height and weight thus it's completely irrelevant how tall someone is.
I also mentioned even in the original post that this doesn't cover all body types. Inner fat and waist size are the important factors regarding fat distribution in the body. Someone with a very thin waist can have a lot of curves and might be counted as slightly overweight instead of normal weight. There is obviously a limit to this though...

It's also not about shaming but about what is unhealthy. The risk factor for the bulk of our most common diseases increases with being overweight.

 

[Izuna]

It's literally a ratio between height and weight thus it's completely irrelevant how tall someone is.
I also mentioned even in the original post that this doesn't cover all body types. Inner fat and waist size are the important factors regarding fat distribution in the body. Someone with a very thin waist can have a lot of curves and might be counted as slightly overweight instead of normal weight. There is obviously a limit to this though...

It's also not about shaming but about what is unhealthy. The risk factor for the bulk of our most common diseases increases with being overweight.

I'm sorry but I don't see the purpose of pinpointing what's unhealthy and what isn't. This is part of why I didn't want to post an image in the first place. There are people who could be reading this thread who don't need to hear about why "they're unhealthy and should change that ASAP or risk wasting our medical resources".

It's an unnecessary amount of negativity that doesn't even address the topic. Unless you trying to say "yeah, you can like thick girls, but too think is bad dude". Meh.

 

[Zakalwe]

There's some obvious reasons why there's a long way to go for women and beauty standards, especially for women who are outside the standard "norm".

Women, no matter their size, are told how they should look constantly (even more so if they're larger). My friend is overweight, definitely not obese, and she's had people straight-up out of nowhere ask her if she has diabetes. In online dating, she's also had to deal with dudes that fetishize her weight, and get really creepy about it. I'm skinny, and I've had dudes hit on me, then tell me I need to gain more weight. Like wtf? Already had someone in this thread say thigh gaps look unhealthy and someone else's pseudo-concern that obesity and being overweight is bad for public health. We read these things, are told them, etc etc all the time so it's hard to feel like it's ok being in your own skin. Add to that that society pressures women toward thinking their main goal in life is to be attractive to other people, and you'll have some problems lol.

There's obviously a lot more to it, but society does spend a lot of time telling women they look wrong or are wrong for whatever reason.

I'm not saying you came across this way, OP, this was just a more general discussion on why I think women feel shit about their bodies.

I think we need to separate the health aspect here. Obesity and being overweight is a concern, and it's something most people (putting aside those who cannot for legitimate reasons) can do something about starting today.

Being okay in your own skin shouldn't be about being okay with being unhealthy, the opposite of which is not having being a ripped cover model but simply eating well and doing the exercise your body needs to fall comfortably into its own shape, the one its natural frame was grown to support.

One of the biggest issues here is the one I highlighted in my previous post, that the "skinny" or "ripped" look isn't attainable by everyone, that's as much to do with genetics as it is hard work (just look at examples in sports such as boxing or UFC where some of the top athletes don't have the ripped look but are obviously in great shape), and when some people lose their excess weight and it becomes clear they cannot attain this perfect look no matter what kind of work they put in, many will feel defeated.

I was with a girl who did far more exercise than me. She swam every morning, ran every evening, practised yoga multiple times a week, and eat healthy food, yet she retained a curvy figure. I, on the other hand, did a fraction of her work and I maintained my athletic defined figure simply because of my genetics. She would sometimes comment on this and it was obvious she struggled with the fact her figure wasn't "ideal".

She is very healthy, she looks great and full of energy, and her curves fit her frame perfectly, and she should absolutely be comfortable in her own skin, but she's not because of this unrealistic ideal that's tied to "being healthy" and gives everyone the wrong ideas from the start.

 

[Izuna]

@Zakalwe

I'm in love with your posts right now. I couldn't find the correct gif response, so feel free to pick one yourself.

I went with a girl to one of those Boots scales (a drugstore had a scale that could approximate your BMI) and this girl found herself more towards overweight than underweight... "but I'm fat"...

it's like: 'nah, you're short'

Spoiler

jk

 

[SolidusDave]

I'm sorry but I don't see the purpose of pinpointing what's unhealthy and what isn't. This is part of why I didn't want to post an image in the first place. There are people who could be reading this thread who don't need to hear about why "they're unhealthy and should change that ASAP or risk wasting our medical resources".

It's an unnecessary amount of negativity that doesn't even address the topic. Unless you trying to say "yeah, you can like thick girls, but too think is bad dude". Meh.

People can have different preferences all they want, I don't mind that at all. But you replied to me saying that unhealthy levels of thick is not what you were talking about.
I was only pointing out that there are not many scenarios for that. Especially in the US or similar high-obesity countries in which perception about what already counts towards the medical definition of overweight is very skewed.

btw I think it's weird that you want to create a safe-space bubble in which people don't have to hear about the potential risks of their lifestyle. This is almost like preventing smoke-fetish people finding out about the risks of long-term smoking.


edit: it just feels like we are having two different discussions here. Women (and men to some extend) trying to compete with an ideal body created by the media and actual overweight people (both men and women) who people find hot.

 

[Friggz]

my wife is curvy, she always says how much she hates how she looks, but nothing gets my blood flowing like her body. i can pop a chubby just thinking about it.

 

[Dice//]

At my absolute thinnest (vegetarian diet and exercise coupled with my height and frame) the lightest I could get was about 119 lbs. It drove me nuts that magazines usually talked about small weights for MOST women being more around the 100-110 average because I just couldn't get to that and only got to mine because I had to change everything about the way I lived (which was taxing on another level).

Media very rarely examines body types, your meso's and endo's and ectomorphs, and much more just the way you look. It's BY weight, it's BY appearance, it's BY how lean you look or don't. Which sucks, because we ARE built different. And yeah being morbidly obese is bad and unhealthy, but it's also not so black and white either.

If you think someone is sexy despite their lack of chiseled abs and "size S" clothes, let them know.

 

[tkscz]

I don't know if my opinion would count in a thread like this as I usually go for women who are more than just thick/curvy, but still hear the same thing.

 

[Izuna]

People can have different preferences all they want, I don't mind that at all. But you replied to me saying that unhealthy levels of thick is not what you were talking about.
I was only pointing out that there are not many scenarios for that. Especially in the US or similar high-obesity countries in which perception about what already counts towards the medical definition of overweight is very skewed.

btw I think it's weird that you want to create a safe-space bubble in which people don't have to hear about the potential risks of their lifestyle. This is almost like preventing smoke-fetish people finding out about the risks of long-term smoking.


edit: it just feels like we are having two different discussions here. Women (and men to some extend) trying to compete with an ideal body created by the media and actual overweight people (both men and women) who people find hot.

You're just missing the point that what you posted an oversimplification and I'm not going to pinpoint what I think is the maximum for attractiveness.

It's not about creating any "safe spaces", it simply distracts from the purpose of the thread.

And bruh, you came in talking about me liking something "unhealthy" with no reference point, so don't start with the accusation that I brought it up.

Semantics vary, especially with thick and curvy, but it's obvious I'm referring to a larger issue that can also involve average.

 

[Zaphrynn]

I think we need to separate the health aspect here. Obesity and being overweight is a concern, and it's something most people (putting aside those who cannot for legitimate reasons) can do something about starting today.

Being okay in your own skin shouldn't be about being okay with being unhealthy, the opposite of which is not having being a ripped cover model but simply eating well and doing the exercise your body needs to fall comfortably into its own shape, the one its natural frame was grown to support.

One of the biggest issues here is the one I highlighted in my previous post, that the "skinny" or "ripped" look isn't attainable by everyone, that's as much to do with genetics as it is hard work (just look at examples in sports such as boxing or UFC where some of the top athletes don't have the ripped look but are obviously in great shape), and when some people lose their excess weight and it becomes clear they cannot attain this perfect look no matter what kind of work they put in, many will feel defeated.

I was with a girl who did far more exercise than me. She swam every morning, ran every evening, practised yoga multiple times a week, and eat healthy food, yet she retained a curvy figure. I, on the other hand, did a fraction of her work and I maintained my athletic defined figure simply because of my genetics. She would sometimes comment on this and it was obvious she struggled with the fact her figure wasn't "ideal".

She is very healthy, she looks great and full of energy, and her curves fit her frame perfectly, and she should absolutely be comfortable in her own skin, but she's not because of this unrealistic ideal that's tied to "being healthy" and gives everyone the wrong ideas from the start.

Yeah I can definitely agree with this. My point was, and it definitely ties in with what you said, is that women are told by other people that what they have is not enough. I get touchy about the "unhealthy" comments because we don't know why someone looks the way they do until we know them. And sometimes you have to be really close until they'll talk about themselves. My friend works out and tries to actively lose weight, yet she gets comments from strangers like she's a plague on society.

It's not difficult to see why some people think it's never enough, even when they are healthy.

 

[LucidMomentum]

Truth. It's frustrating when you tell someone you're attracted to them and they think you're lying because they have a different idea of what they have to look like to be attractive.

But on the other hand, it is up to the person to decide how they want to look.

Another issue I've seen is people getting chided for being thin. My brother is in great shape, he eats little carbs nowadays and drinks a lot of tea and water, no soda. Whenever I have dinner with him and my parents, my mom takes it as an insult that he foregos the rice, potatoes, etc.

I told her that kind of guilt tripping is how eating disorders start, and that you shouldn't take it personally if someone's on a diet.

 

[13ruce]

If you think someone is sexy despite their lack of chiseled abs and "size S" clothes, let them know.

I'm skinny and looked like the left one before training and middle one after. What i did is doing some weightlifting to increase the size of my arms because my upper arms looked ridiculously skinny. And now i actualy love being skinny looks pretty good now with a bit bigger arms i also keep my stomach in shape by doing some crunches etc every other day and ofcourse cardio a few times a week.

Honestly skinny fit looks pretty good and i don't like the ripped look.

My height is 1.70m and weight 63 kilo it's always between 60-65 and i don't mind it thanks to my height it looks pretty normal actually.

And my opinion on thick/curvy people it does not look that bad a tummy on a girl can look pretty cute honestly. Thick/curvy decently fit girls look super hot those hips....hnnng.

The perceptions on body types are insane nowadays especialy in media and model work and social media. Most of them can look pretty good still until you gain a big amount of overweight or being severly underweight. And most of them look super good when decently fit(small tummy/nearly flat stomach).

 

[trixx]

I think that curvy is the single most useless descriptor for a person. I've seen girls ranging from straight up skinny to morbidly obese call themselves or get called curvy.

yep, experienced this as well. That and thick lol

 

[Pamplemousse]

Doesn't matter if they don't like it.

Sadly the female body tends to carry fat much better than the male body.

 

[Goro Majima]

Genetics plays a huge role comparing apples to apples.

Sadly, many women just gain weight in their stomach area and in their face so being overweight doesn't look very good. Other women gain it all in their hips, ass, and breasts.

Two women with the exact same BMI or hell the former might even be thinner but people will think she's fatter than the other one.

So I like curvy women too but what I'm really saying is that I like women who can gain weight in the right places.

 

[Damerman]

Its especially tragic when you know that a skinny girl can't do a damn thing for you.

 

[Damerman]

Genetics plays a huge role comparing apples to apples.

Sadly, many women just gain weight in their stomach area and in their face so being overweight doesn't look very good. Other women gain it all in their hips, ass, and breasts.

Two women with the exact same BMI or hell the former might even be thinner but people will think she's fatter than the other one.

So I like curvy women too but what I'm really saying is that I like women who can gain weight in the right places.

This is true.

 

[Glix]

I'm super into big girls.

What always surprises me is other dudes who will agree with me in private but not in public.

SMH

 

[Fried Food]

People shouldn't be happy with the way they are just because someone else likes that apsect of themselves.

 

[Glix]

People shouldn't be happy with the way they are just because someone else likes that apsect of themselves.

The idea the op is conveying is that they dont like it because they have been convinced everyone else judges them for being that way.

 

[.JayZii]

This is incredibly subjective on everyone's part. The person whose weight is being judged as well as the people doing the judging will have different ideals and standards of attractiveness.

As long as you're not unhealthy, you do you, and you'll find someone who is attracted to the way you look. They might even consider your personality and intelligence as factors, too. What a world.

 

[norm9]

Sounds like the person who wouldn't like that compliment knows that their body is something they need to work on.

 

[Zoe]

I think that curvy is the single most useless descriptor for a person. I've seen girls ranging from straight up skinny to morbidly obese call themselves or get called curvy.

This