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[Blackleg-sanji1]

Well to be fair to Sony's impoverished engineers, there has only been x86 PS1 emulation for a little more than a decade and a half.

Lol that either proves Sony's engineering department needs better employees OR they jus dont care enough to bother doing it i honestly think the latter probably think its not as important

 

[Boombox On]

There is no historical basis for this position. The PS3 supported PS1 and (in compatible models) PS2 discs.

Except the PS3 was not using emulation for PS2 discs, and by the time there was emulation, Sony was not selling PS2-compatible systems anymore.

When Sony claimed PS2 games couldn't be emulated via software on the PS3 and offered us PS2 Classics for $10 on an emulator which was discovered to be able to run most PS2 games, this should tell you the company's attitude to BC.

...Not really.

 

[Faustek]

4 weeks ago I bugged the costumer support and asked about why it was gone.

Dude asked me to wait, said "oh your right". It isn't on PS4 neither the Web. I said "no no, asking about the PS1 classics on PS3" as that shit doesn't even show up for me now. It just chugs and nothing happens when I press that one(yes deleted app and rebuilt).
Dude was upset as well as he apparently had tons of classics as well and thought it was really weird as he could have sworn that they where on PS4 and was planing on buying one soon.
Anyway, got a ticket number. They would be contacting HQ since they couldn't answer that locally. I called back 2 weeks later since no one had asked. Got the same dude, he remembered me since I was the only one that apparently liked the wait music and this time he had looked it up himself, about the PS4 BC, and he had nothing and since HQ hadn't answered him about the PS3 PSN issues he had nothing there either. He promised to bug them again and answer as soon as possible. This Thursday it had gone 2 weeks more. Called back. Same answer "HQ hasn't answered". He had finished Crash 2 on the PSV at least. Starting to think he is the only one working there on call support. Fuck, I'll call and just ask about how Crash 3 is going.

They will never answer. It will never come. Sony can, in regard to this instance, go fuck themselves.
I'll be the first to kiss their ass and make up if it gets announced.

 

[Petrae]

This isn't a priority for Sony, and I don't expect it-- at least not in the foreseeable future. If it was a priority, you'd think that Sony would have announced something for the PlayStation's 20th anniversary last year. Perhaps Sony drops a surprise on 9/9 for the US launch anniversary, but I'm not holding out hope.

Sony just doesn't see a lot of interest in this market. With a more than steady flow of indie games, a continuing flow of remasters, and some new AAA titles sprinkled in from time to time... there's more than enough choices out there for consumers to spend their money on. PlayStation/PS2 game support may be something that some core consumers want, but not enough for Sony to spend time and resources on.

It kind of sucks because I have a decent amount of PlayStation games that I bought digitally last gen, which I probably won't be able to access again... but I still have an original PlayStation and many of those games in their original disc format, so I can (thankfully) still play them.

 

[Agent X]

I would hate it if PS Now got PS1/PS2 games. E3 2016 they'll announce PS2 and PS1 classics hopefully.

I would have no problem with PS1/PS2 games eventually appearing on PS Now, as that would make sense for something like mobile devices and smart TVs. For the PS4, though, it would be much better to have actual emulation on the system, for numerous reasons that other people have already mentioned.

Also, I think E3 2016 is way too far off. I thought they would have said something about it at or around E3 of this year, but I think Microsoft's surprise announcement of Xbox 360 compatibility took the wind out of any potential announcement from Sony. The mainstream media (not focused on gaming) might have torn Sony apart for concentrating on "old games" from 2-3 generations ago, when their competitor is handling much more recent games.

I predict Sony will announce it soon, before the end of this year.

Well there are three enhanced (trophies, higher resolution) PS2 games coming to the PS4 this year. Star Wars: Racer Revenge, Bounty Hunter, and Jedi Starfighter which were all PS2 Classics on the PS3. Hopefully that opens the floodgates.

That's nice that they have enhancements for those games. However, if I had the choice, I'd much rather that Sony go on the fast track for "unenhanced" PS1/PS2 games than to invest considerable resources in updating individual games and releasing them in a slow trickle.

Yeah, like if they did dedicate a team to work on this, would it generate more sales of ps4s in any meaningful way?

It probably would not generate more sales of PS4 hardware in any meaningful way.

On the other hand, it would assuredly generate more sales of PS1/PS2 software on the PlayStation Store, if PS4 owners had the ability to buy and play those games. As of right now, the amount of money they are making on those games from PS4-only owners is $0. It is in Sony's best interest to open up this vast software library to those customers.

 

[10k]

It's never coming.

 

[gelf]

Runs most titles with the caveat that they might have bugs, glitches or performance issues, yes.

Even PS2 games that got put officially on the PS3 can be pretty buggy. PSN Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution gets horrible slowdowns which is unforgivable for a fighting game. Sadly this is also a game that the PCSX2 emulator also still struggled with last I checked so original hardware is still the best option for it.

 

[androvsky]

It's never coming.

Unless someone can provide an interview with the dev team(s) that ported Star Wars Racing Revenge, Jedi Starfighter, and Bounty Hunter from PS2 to PS4*, PS2 emulation is coming to the PS4 in a couple of months.

The questions that remain include how Sony is going to treat existing classics purchases, if they do make them cross-buy will HD and trophies be included, and will they support discs.


*A statement from Gio Corsi or Adam Boyes on why those games were picked would be nice too.

I would have no problem with PS1/PS2 games eventually appearing on PS Now, as that would make sense for something like mobile devices and smart TVs. For the PS4, though, it would be much better to have actual emulation on the system, for numerous reasons that other people have already mentioned.

Also, I think E3 2016 is way too far off. I thought they would have said something about it at or around E3 of this year, but I think Microsoft's surprise announcement of Xbox 360 compatibility took the wind out of any potential announcement from Sony. The mainstream media (not focused on gaming) might have torn Sony apart for concentrating on "old games" from 2-3 generations ago, when their competitor is handling much more recent games.

I predict Sony will announce it soon, before the end of this year.

I think even the gaming press would have picked on Sony for not supporting PS3 too. As far as I can tell, no one's ever asked someone from Sony about PS1/PS2 BC in an interview, but they have asked about PS3 BC a lot. Even the statement from Yoshida about emulating PS1 and PS2 games rather than streaming was in response to a question about PS3 games on PSN.

It probably would not generate more sales of PS4 hardware in any meaningful way.

On the other hand, it would assuredly generate more sales of PS1/PS2 software on the PlayStation Store, if PS4 owners had the ability to buy and play those games. As of right now, the amount of money they are making on those games from PS4-only owners is $0. It is in Sony's best interest to open up this vast software library to those customers.

I think PS1/PS2 support, especially disc support, would help move systems in Japan. I've been expecting an announcement at TGS... for almost three TGS's now.

 

[RedSwirl]

New thread about this subject, another time I gotta repost what I said earlier about the plausibility of PS1/PS2 Classics on the PS4, both business-wise and tech-wise:

This discussion again.

Let me just go down the main points that always get repeated:

--It doesn't make that much sense cost-wise to put PS1 and PS2 games on PSNow. It probably takes less bandwidth for someone to download a PS2 game once than to stream it every time they want to play it. Maybe it might happen for the PSTV and other Sony devices.

--Eurogamer published a rumor way back suggesting Sony is working on PS1 and PS2 emulation with HD rendering for select games. The games would probably look like they do on PCSX2, but that HD rendering would likely only work for a handful of games.

--PS1 emulation should be a cinch. Theoretically PS2 emulation should also be very feasible on the PS4, if only for a certain selection of games (which is the current situation on PS3).

--Running old physical discs is also technically possible with emulation since that's exactly how the PS3 plays PS1 discs. Hacked PS3s (the ones without full BC) can also play PS2 discs, though far from perfectly.

--When you think about it allowing disc compatibility probably wouldn't hurt PSN sales that much. Old PS1 and PS2 discs are not widely available at retail anymore, and PSN's prices almost always beat retail prices. Sony also seems to put special focus on digitizing classics that command high prices for discs. You can play a Tron Bonne PS1 disc in any PS3, but people are rushing out to buy the PSN version because it's $6 and the old disc is like $400.

 

[LewieP]

Regarding native PS3 BC. I know it's not going to happen, but at least a decent portion of the library has been ported over. The big hitters like TLOU, soon Uncharted, God of War, Dishonored, Flower and Journey have all made it across, with a big selection of third party games too.

Full BC would obviously be nice, but it is not feasible, so at least a lot of games are being brought over.

I guess it would be really nice for the broad range of PS2 HD remasters that were released for the PS4 to receive some kind of update for PS4. I can't imagine Sony will release The Last Guardian without doing ICO & SOTC HD HD.

 

[RedSwirl]

Sony raking in cash on PS4 software. I don't think legacy support is a big deal for them right now.

I agree with this. Microsoft put priority on Xbox 360 BC probably because it really needs 360 owners to upgrade to Xbox One. I think a surprising number of cross-gen games are still selling more on 360, or at least were a year ago. Sony hasn't been having this problem with the PS4.

That said, I think it's encouraging that Sony still cares about PS1 classics on the PS3 and Vita.

 

[dracula_x]

Lol that either proves Sony's engineering department needs better employees OR they jus dont care enough to bother doing it i honestly think the latter probably think its not as important

Well, the truth is Sony already have PS1 emulation solution for x86. I'm talking about Virtual Game Station, which they bought from Connectix about 15 years ago.

So they probably just don't care.

 

[Jashobeam]

the trend of releasing remasters and digital re-releases killed any chances of true BC for PS1/PS2 games on the PS4. Sucks because even the PS3 could play PS1 discs.

 

[trephine]

This is why i keep all my playstation consoles(ps2,ps3,psp,) dont have to worry about being locked out of software

 

[Timu]

"Don't bring up PS Now because that invalidates my entire thread."

Who seriously wants to stream games though?=p

 

[NinjamicWZ]

"Don't bring up PS Now because that invalidates my entire thread."

You might as well have just posted "FIRST!" trying to get a first reply nails it reaction, knowing you're going to get bombarded with obvious clarifications by every other poster that replies, and outright ignoring yosp in the OP.

 

[biggersmaller]

Now is for tablets and tvs, and it doesn't support ps1 or ps2 games, so there really isn't anything to support your view of this.

Edit. It's also on ps3 and vita, so obviously they don't mind offering BC and Now on the same device.

They want to push Now to as many devices as possible - even those with the classic download service. This doesn't mean those classic downloads don't compete with that service and prevent subscribers. Whether those games are offered or not doesn't nullify that and easily explains why classic downloads aren't offered.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Well you should entertain it, because it's true.

Okay, I'm going to need a link before I believe this bullshit.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

They want to push Now to as many devices as possible - even those with the classic download service. This doesn't mean those classic downloads don't compete with that service and prevent subscribers. Whether those games are offered or not doesn't nullify that and easily explains why classic downloads aren't offered.

That doesn't make any sense because Now doesn't offer classics on any device. They absolutely don't compete because they don't offer the same games. It doesn't explain anything and no actual evidence supports this claim as has been very well explained throughout this and every other related thread.

 

[entremet]

It's never coming.

This is my prediction. They'll just start adding legacy support via PSNow.

 

[The Artisan]

i'd love the chance to play digimon world 2, that horrible-ass-time-sucking-fucking game on my Ps4.

where did you hear yoshida say emulation of them is easier than streaming btw?

 

[Neff]

I imagine one of the larger hurdles is licensing and certification of PSN titles for a new format, particularly one which enables streaming out of the box. Licensing issues get a lot more complicated when you're potentially sharing content with other users.

Of course, they could sidestep this issue by simply disabling streaming for PSone/PS2 Classics, but I can't imagine that would be a popular decision.

 

[Randam]

Is now even still a thing?

 

[RadarScope1]

I imagine one of the larger hurdles is licensing and certification of PSN titles for a new format, particularly one which enables streaming out of the box. Licensing issues get a lot more complicated when you're potentially sharing content with other users.

Of course, they could sidestep this issue by simply disabling streaming for PSone/PS2 Classics, but I can't imagine that would be a popular decision.

I would be fine with those features being locked out of PS1/2 games. Just give us the damn games.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Is now even still a thing?

Uhm, yes?

 

[Yoshi]

Anyway i wouldn't mind ps1-ps2 emulation anything to play dark cloud and ape escape again

Why can't I play PS1 games that I own on the most powerful console of the generation? Why should I have to pay again and waste my bandwidth? It's kind of scummy that we have to pay a monthly fee if we want to play old PS3 games that we own but I KIND OF understand because I bet those PS Now servers aren't cheap, but come on Sony. I wanna play Crash again

I don't understand postings like these. If you have those games, you probably also have a PS1, PS2 or PS3 you can play them on. If you don't PS1 and PS2 are cheap, so what is stopping you from playing those games again? Of course, I do agree Sony should add bc for those games and allow us to play them off disc, but I guess they feel there's no money to be made with this.