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Where does slut-shaming end, and reasonable standards begin?
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How about "dress appropriately". What that means for a grade school I leave up to you.
Pancake Mix
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Frankly, I'm not sure how much it matters. She could dress a bit more conservatively, sure, but this still shouldn't have blown up.
She has a great body, course she's going to show some curves from time to time.
SoRuffShoNuff
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Why is nobody saying what school she teaches at. Are fathers in the GA area trying to keep this a secret so PTA meetings aren't flooded?
Rimon-hanit
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I mean it's always a woman's choice, but if a woman claims she empowers herself by going into sex work, even though it might be true for her, I will find it very hard to believe.
Edit: I see this thread is mostly about the article, yeah the dress is cool.
Edit: I see this thread is mostly about the article, yeah the dress is cool.
freethoughtbubble
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Maybe?
EstoyBlackWaldo
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Are you asking for a friend?
Below the knees, dress not as tight as the other pic, wearing a giant cardigan over it. She still can't hide those curves and some dummy was going to complain regardless.
Zeus The Dino
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Only people I can see complaining about this are ugly jealous women, or salty ass men
Just let her be, thick is beautiful, if she was skinny as hell wearing leggings or a dress no one would give a damn.
Just let her be, thick is beautiful, if she was skinny as hell wearing leggings or a dress no one would give a damn.
EstoyBlackWaldo
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Or people that got a problem with thick black women flaunting their excellence in general. 🐸☕
hurricanes
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First dress is a bit too thin(shows the bra lines) but othervise acceptable.
Tank top and legging is workout attire, no one should wear that to work unless (s)he work from home.
Tank top and legging is workout attire, no one should wear that to work unless (s)he work from home.
The cardigan makes the outfit school appropriate by dressing it down, as it were. In prior work experience I saw plenty of stick thin (!!) white (!!) women wearing sleeveless dresses get spoken to about needing to wear something more appropriate for a classroom workplace, meaning cardigans or blazers atop the dress or something with legitimate sleeves that makes the outfit more demure. Before it's inevitably mentioned, men were shirt and tie and slacks without exception, with short sleeve button downs not allowed.
And this teacher likely knows that a cardigan achieved that exact purpose. It's not seen as a Teacher's Outfit for nothing.
orthodoxy1095
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Anyone with a remote sense of professionalism would, but sure. Write that narrative.
If the teacher weren't an attractive curvy black woman, checking three boxes for a story about someone unfairly victimized by society, a number of posters here wouldn't give a shit about the story one way or the other. As is, the thread is largely populated with dudes commenting about there's no problem (ignoring the context of school as a workplace) to show how wide awoke they are... and then commenting on how she's fine as fuck.
You're supposed to be more subtle and passive aggressive than that.
Madlib strawman sarcasm isn't my strong suit unfortunately.
Ah you gotta work on that hopefully it'll make viewing this forum an enjoyable experience for you
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
What's professional about not wearing jeans? Less comfortable and more expensive clothing has nothing to do with the person's competence or how professional the person acts when teaching. If anything, rules like that enforce discrimination based on clothing style. Some of my best professors at university dressed way more casually than jeans & t-shirt. Why would anyone (who is not supremely superficial) care or wish to even forbid this?
Let me tell you, if absolutely do not find her attractive and I do not feel this is a case of discrimination of black people or women in particular. It's just a superifical view on people's professionalism that I find rather poor form and not based on reasonable arguments.
I don't have a strong opinion on her clothing, but why is she posing for so many of these photos at work,and posting them as well? I don't know many jobs that would just be okay with you updating your instagram with photos like this.
Edit: I guess most of her instagram pics are not from work as far as I can tell.
Edit: I guess most of her instagram pics are not from work as far as I can tell.
Zoe
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Have you never heard of business casual? That is the standard most school districts strive for. If that's not the kind of career you want to go into, good for you, but the rest of us have expectations to live up to.
She looks fine. She's got curves, the only way she can hide those is wearing a potato sack. A teacher as flat as a board can wear those exact same outfits and there wouldn't be a problem.
She's covered up, she's not wearing anything with low cleavage or short skirts that barely cover her butt.
She's covered up, she's not wearing anything with low cleavage or short skirts that barely cover her butt.
Darren870
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Do I think she is dressing inappropriate? No!
Can I see how others can think that? Yes.
Replace here with a man/women covered in tattoos
Or a man/women with blue hair and facial piercings
Would people say that's inappropriate for a teacher to be dressed like that? Of course they would. Would I disagree with them? 10000% yes. It shouldn't matter, but I can understand how some people could get their knickers in a knot.
Can I see how others can think that? Yes.
Replace here with a man/women covered in tattoos
Or a man/women with blue hair and facial piercings
Would people say that's inappropriate for a teacher to be dressed like that? Of course they would. Would I disagree with them? 10000% yes. It shouldn't matter, but I can understand how some people could get their knickers in a knot.
Angelus Errare
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Only reason this blew up is because she's curvaceous. If she were a skinny (and white) teacher this wouldn't even get 2 retweets.
Also gotta remember the onus is pretty much always on women to diminish the fact they're women as much as possible because reasons.
Also gotta remember the onus is pretty much always on women to diminish the fact they're women as much as possible because reasons.
When you leave college, assuming you're not self-employed, you'll encounter dress codes. Even slovenly IT departments with their flannel button downs and dressy Converse have some baseline level that employees must meet; tech folk I've seen aren't rolling into the office in sweats and hoodies. Most professional settings have a dress code of business casual at minimum, which means slacks or skirts but not jeans. Image and presentation of oneself as a professional matters.
Of course it's superficial: it's literally the surface that others can view. It matters. You can find it unreasonable and irrational and want to buck the system, but that's the system. Professional attire speaks for a person before their mouth ever opens.
The dress is meh, not the greatest choice but a cardigan and it's your standard Ann Taylor Teacher Starter Kit.
The t-shirt and jeans for male teachers others have mentioned is much worse to me.
TheRedSnifit
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I've seen skinny white teachers get talked to for wearing similar outfits.
I also don't think I've ever seen a male teacher wear a similar outfit, for whatever that's worth.
Didn't she also post pictures of students? The school said they talked to her regarding, "use of social media." Posting pictures of students is a big no no.
Also, the school didn't list a specific outfit, so it may not have been the one in the OP. This one is completely inappropriate for a teacher:
Why?
BlazinSkatinAxel
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She deleted all of the teacher pictures.
Supermanisdead
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i don't think its appropriate for a schoolteacher to be wearing a skin tight dress, no matter the body type.
Yoshi
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I have heard about a lot of dumb stuff. Doesn't make it more appropiate or reasonable.
Actually, besides economics jobs (even though I have to say, I know that a bank employee who shows up in t-shirt and jeans - which I have seen some do several times - must do his job particularly well, because he can afford to do so, so if possible, I prefer working with him rather than the penguin) I cannot think of many where jeans and t-shirt are prohibited. This level of dressing was most common with my highschool teachers, most common with my professors and most common amon my colleagues (phd students) as well. If a work place has no standardised "uniform" this is the most common clothing I see in publicly visible jobs as well. Of course, this is a case of a situation improving over time, if you look back at the 60s-90s this would probably not be true anymore.
Though I remember that similar discussions were going on about Varoufakis when he was a politician. German press was divided about his "motorcyclist" look, so there's obviously a good amount of shit-headery left within society in that regard, that much is true.
Eppy Thatcher
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If my girls teacher looked like that i would be soooooo happy.
Also she got curves like my lady and wears em fuckin well. This is only a problem for puritanical betch and douchebag (likely racist) parents. Seriously nothing wrong with this girl and the fact that she's joyous/happy/celebrating her job as a teacher should be fuckin praised and encouraged.
Hard enough finding pasionate kind and positive teachers these days already. Quit fucking scaring the ones that are into it away. Girl already doesn't get paid enough i'm sure... now she dealing with this bullshit.
Also she got curves like my lady and wears em fuckin well. This is only a problem for puritanical betch and douchebag (likely racist) parents. Seriously nothing wrong with this girl and the fact that she's joyous/happy/celebrating her job as a teacher should be fuckin praised and encouraged.
Hard enough finding pasionate kind and positive teachers these days already. Quit fucking scaring the ones that are into it away. Girl already doesn't get paid enough i'm sure... now she dealing with this bullshit.
Spiral Insanity
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Her social media presence is inappropriate considering her occupation.
Why? How does her social media presence affect her ability to educate children?
Alpha Centauri
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Oh please.
Being a teacher doesn't make you 50, married, and a member of your church choir.
Spiral Insanity
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Oh please.
Being a teacher doesn't make you 50, married, and a member of your church choir.
I did not say she was forbidden to do so, this is a free country. I do not think this makes her a slut, or deserving of anything negative. I do think that her particular Instagram feed with many shots showing just a close up picture of her breasts, is in poor judgement considering her position.
Damn. American dresscodes seem so sad. From what I gather she teaches 9 year old kids and doesnt show excessive cleavage, wear miniskirts, seetroughs, short crop top or such. And apparently it deserves a 9 page thread. Is there any research to suspect a slightly tight dress would damage the kids psychosocial development or so?
That will never happen, so long as we are a species as sexual as we are.
Society can't grow past thousands of years of evolution. I didn't look at the picture, but women or men for that matter dressing sexy will always be distracting in some contexts.
Of course it will happen. Or are you arguing that our behaviour hasn't changed from the middle ages?
And it is always the responsible of the person being distracted to control themselves and get over it. You are responsible for your emotions, nobody else.
Also, the school didn't list a specific outfit, so it may not have been the one in the OP. This one is completely inappropriate for a teacher:
*shrug* not to me.
My kid can have a teacher who dresses like that.
thetrin
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My biggest problem with slut shaming is in shaming women for how many partners they've had.
IMO, no one should feel bad or terrible for how many (or few) partners they've had. It's destructive, and contributes to a terrible self image.
Some people have had a lot of partners. Some have had very few. Neither should feel bad about that.
IMO, no one should feel bad or terrible for how many (or few) partners they've had. It's destructive, and contributes to a terrible self image.
Some people have had a lot of partners. Some have had very few. Neither should feel bad about that.
Seems like a very sensible dress to me. But there's no hard line because it's very much based on prior experiences and norms of the peers and children. I doubt many of her kids would mind what she wears. Maybe one or two of the boys became flustered. Good for them.
It's benign to what some of my students wear. Shirts with loose buttons and nothing under, tits and ass falling out of too small shorts and tops... I don't mind as long as they don't mind the teacher ogling lol.
I guess that's the main takeaway, everyone should be aware of what they might evoke and as long as they are fine with it, I am fine with it. But working at a university I don't care for dress codes anyway. Slutshaming is only 'warranted' if it used to get something, like say a higher grade, or the team mate to do all the work.
It's benign to what some of my students wear. Shirts with loose buttons and nothing under, tits and ass falling out of too small shorts and tops... I don't mind as long as they don't mind the teacher ogling lol.
I guess that's the main takeaway, everyone should be aware of what they might evoke and as long as they are fine with it, I am fine with it. But working at a university I don't care for dress codes anyway. Slutshaming is only 'warranted' if it used to get something, like say a higher grade, or the team mate to do all the work.
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