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[Slackbladder]

I'm looking forward to the Pro but I never get hyped by hardware and rarely by software anymore. That said I made a very specific choice - there will be games on the Pro that will not be available anywhere else and I'd like to play them, even though 90% of my gaming is done on PC. That said maybe this is the last time I buy a console.

 

[icespide]

What? No, it's not our job.

why aren't you doing your job Marty??

 

[kyser73]

We don't know what kind of treatment games are getting yet, i don't have blind faith in devs, i will not believe in them till i have some proof

You've already got a PS4 which you only use for exclusives because you play multiplats on your PC, why do Sony need to hype you for a day 1 purchase?

 

[sense]

people do realize that Sony most likely revealed the pro in a low key fashion and did their best to not hype it, right? They didn't want to steal the limelight from psvr. As we get closer to release date of nov 10 I believe they will start the hype train now that psvr is out. They know how to bring the hype judging from the PS4 reveal and the past couple of e3 conferences, they just decided not to.

 

[Aarglefarg]

Has it been confirmed that PSVR performance will improve with the Pro? That's the only reason I would consider getting it.

Yes, Mark Cerny talked about it in the reveal event.
https://youtu.be/egSECSTHtAw?t=1185
"With PS4 Pro, the developers can choose to increase the crispness of VR scenes, make special effects richer, or to offer higher framerates, making VR experiences even more immersive." He then gives the example of Farpoint, saying that developers roughly doubled the rendered pixel count over the base PS4.

 

[Brad Grenz]

I thought FF15 Pro support not coming at launch?

Games in November are required to ship with Pro modes.

 

[Joel Was Right]

The PS4 Pro is an ugly, expensive console that is targeted towards the very few owners out there of 4K television sets who are excited about - essentially - a remastering of games in higher resolution/textures.

It's inherently a niche product.

When the PS3 and Xbox 360 launched, it wasn't being marketed as a '1080p' console but one of next-generation graphics, where you didn't need to own a new TV to notice or appreciate the substantial leap in visuals.

The PS4 Pro is nothing more than a glorified add-on; the modern day Rumble Pack accessory, except with the additional need of further investment to 'see' the investment. I'm actually amazed at how much hype there seems to be about it as it is.

It reminds me of iPhone 6s owners pre-ordering an iPhone 7.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

people do realize that Sony most likely revealed the pro in a low key fashion and did their best to not hype it, right? They didn't want to steal the limelight from psvr. As we get closer to release date of nov 10 I believe they will start the hype train now that psvr is out. They know how to bring the hype judging from the PS4 reveal and the past couple of e3 conferences, they just decided not to.

Yep. Once the PSVR launch hype dies down expect them to hit hard with Pro marketing. They have had to walk a delicate line to not make the current PS4 look obsolete or inferior.

The PS4 Pro is an ugly, expensive console that is targeted towards the very few owners out there of 4K television sets who are excited about - essentially - a remastering of games in higher resolution/textures.

It's inherently a niche product.

When the PS3 and Xbox 360 launched, it wasn't being marketed as a '1080p' console but one of next-generation graphics, where you didn't need to own a new TV to notice or appreciate the substantial leap in visuals.

The PS4 Pro is nothing more than a glorified add-on; the modern day Rumble Pack accessory, except with the additional need of further investment to 'see' the investment. I'm actually amazed at how much hype there seems to be about it as it is.

This is the most ridiculous, ill-informed I thing I have seen or heard all weekend.

 

[TrojanBlade]

Well I am excited...Will be trading in my PS4 for PS4Pro. It will probably make me buy a PSVR at some point too. I want to see, how the Pro improves the PSVR experience before I jump to buy PSVR.

A lot of people are complaining about no UHD player but at the same time complaining that most gamers don't have 4K/HDR tvs....lol

 

[sense]

The PS4 Pro is an ugly, expensive console that is targeted towards the very few owners out there of 4K television sets who are excited about - essentially - a remastering of games in higher resolution/textures.

It's inherently a niche product.

When the PS3 and Xbox 360 launched, it wasn't being marketed as a '1080p' console but one of next-generation graphics, where you didn't need to own a new TV to notice or appreciate the substantial leap in visuals.

The PS4 Pro is nothing more than a glorified add-on; the modern day Rumble Pack accessory, except with the additional need of further investment to 'see' the investment. I'm actually amazed at how much hype there seems to be about it as it is.

Let all the hate flow through you....

I feel you are going to be further disappointed when the pro starts to sell in big numbers

 

[DBT85]

No. It will run with Pro CPU/GPU at OG PS4 clocks... the Pro CPU/GPU is more efficient per clock than OG PS4.

That alone will already give beneficies.

It GCN 1.1 vs GCN 1.4 and Jaguar vs Puma at the same clock... there are improvements in these new silicon because they are newer and advanced tech.

It is like you saying the IPC of a Intel Core 5xxx is the same than a Intel Core 6xxx... it is not.

Ok, even if it does run better, what are we talking here, 5% 15%? The key is that it won't be using the full 2.3x gpu to boost the framerate.

 

[Krakin]

The ps4pro thread is still on front page so what kind of visual hype do you need to call it hype?

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[Maddrical]

I'm genuinely surprised that the majority of people are hyped and not upset at the prospect of a mid-generation upgrade. I'm dumbfounded by the concept and have absolutely zero interest in dropping yet another $500 to get a Pro. Clearly I'm in the minority which is fine, I'm just surprised is all. If it & the Xbox Scorpio sell well, I think Sony & MS will be licking their lips at the prospect of constant console upgrades.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

I mean, it's just my opinion. Such a small improvement doesn't justify another $400 dollars on something you already own.

You'd be surprised how much money people spent to replace stuff they bought one year ago .


So, where's my hype? Well, I want to see the actual improvement, first. As a non 4k TV owner, I want to see if I' deemed get eye cancer if I play FF XV, Horizon oder GTS (VR) on the old one (I don't think so). Then again, I am a slave to trends, so I have no doubt I'll buy one eventually.


Overall, the Pro seems to be the best selling console on amazon (almost everywhere) since it's announcememt in early September - by far. Which is the very reason the XBOX One S can hold it's ground against the Slim right now. It will do very fine, NeoGAF hype or not.

 

[Ray Down]

The PS4 Pro is an ugly, expensive console that is targeted towards the very few owners out there of 4K television sets who are excited about - essentially - a remastering of games in higher resolution/textures.

It's inherently a niche product.

When the PS3 and Xbox 360 launched, it wasn't being marketed as a '1080p' console but one of next-generation graphics, where you didn't need to own a new TV to notice or appreciate the substantial leap in visuals.

The PS4 Pro is nothing more than a glorified add-on; the modern day Rumble Pack accessory, except with the additional need of further investment to 'see' the investment. I'm actually amazed at how much hype there seems to be about it as it is.

It reminds me of iPhone 6s owners pre-ordering an iPhone 7.

This whole comment is just lol.

 

[DangerMouse]

The ps4pro thread is still on front page so what kind of visual hype do you need to call it hype?

This.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Let all the hate flow through you....

I feel you are going to be further disappointed when the pro starts to sell in big numbers

It genuinely wouldn't bother me. I actually believe the excitement surrounding the Pro is largely based on, what I like to think, a greater desire for a new-gen console amongst the userbase; they want something new.

Were Sony to just replace the current PS4 with the Pro model and keep the same price point, I would understand. But people are essentially paying $1000 for a mid-gen upgrade. Obviously people have money to spend.

 

[Belfast]

I already upgrade my PC, I don't want to have to upgrade my console in the middle of its generational cycle, too. No 4k/HDR TV here. And even if I were to get one in the future, I think I might spring for the NX next year, instead.

 

[icespide]

It genuinely wouldn't bother me. I actually believe the excitement surrounding the Pro is largely based on, what I like to think, a greater desire for a new-gen console amongst the userbase.

Were Sony to just replace the current PS4 with the Pro model and keep the same price point, I would understand. But people are essentially paying $1000 for a mid-gen upgrade. Obviously people have money to spend.

how do you figure that?

 

[ethomaz]

Ok, even if it does run better, what are we talking here, 5% 15%? The key is that it won't be using the full 2.3x gpu to boost the framerate.

It will be like a 2-3 frames of difference in 30fps games (or 5-6 frames of difference in 60fps games) but that could be enough to have a more smooth... less dips... better experience.

BTW the difference between at the same clock of 1.1 and 1.4 is close to 10%.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/amd-radeon-polaris-architektur-performance/2/

I can find later a comparison between Jaguar and Puma.

 

[PeterLegend]

Sell your old PS4, get 200 bucks for it.

Now find another 200 under your couch.

 

[Joel Was Right]

how do you figure that?

I added the cost of the console itself to a decent 4k television set, assuming of course people here aren't planning to play their 4k games on a 1080p television.

 

[icespide]

I added the cost of the console itself to a decent 4k television set, assuming of course people here aren't planning to play their 4k games on a 1080p television.

i think plenty of people are planning to play their Pro on a 1080p set, me included

 

[farisr]

people do realize that Sony most likely revealed the pro in a low key fashion and did their best to not hype it, right? They didn't want to steal the limelight from psvr. As we get closer to release date of nov 10 I believe they will start the hype train now that psvr is out. They know how to bring the hype judging from the PS4 reveal and the past couple of e3 conferences, they just decided not to.

Have a feeling that they've also told VR developers to not go into detail for what enhancements the Pro brings. Even when they mention the enhancements they mention something like "it'll be better" "wait for more details" rather than go into specifics. Of course, it very well could be that they are still working on the patch/enhancements, but I think it's the former reason because Sony wants folks with the standard ps4 to buy VR as well, have some good word of mouth going around by people just trying out VR on the standard PS4 to begin with.

I'm also still wondering just what kind of additions there are:

Without getting into possibly NDA-breaking details, yes, the PS4Pro GPU does have a bunch of additions that are targeted at VR. It's likely enough to allow base PS4 quality graphics in VR.

 

[Joel Was Right]

i think plenty of people are planning to play their Pro on a 1080p set

I'll leave it there.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Sony seems to be subtle with the hype lately and PS4 Pro will probably be no exception. Maybe they will start to hype it up in November, but I thought you would start marketing the system well in advance to build hype and demand earlier. Imo, the PS4 Pro should of been delayed to next year with a noticeable to significant increase in power to go against the Scorpio and the PS4 Slim should of at least had 4K up conversion and an optical UHD drive would of been more ideal and great for directly competing against the XBox S. Not sure what they are thinking.

 

[ethomaz]

I added the cost of the console itself to a decent 4k television set, assuming of course people here aren't planning to play their 4k games on a 1080p television.

I'm getting Pro for better 1080p... I wish they even release a cheaper 1080p monitor/TV with HDR in the future.

BTW VR gaming is a key point to have Pro too.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I added the cost of the console itself to a decent 4k television set, assuming of course people here aren't planning to play their 4k games on a 1080p television.

4k isn't the only benefit. There are benefits at 1080p too. You're misinformed.

 

[Dominator]

I'll leave it there.

Why? The Pro enhances games when on a 1080p set as well.

 

[c0de]

That is not possible because the APU uses a different CPU/GPU and there is no report showing what you claim.

The only way to that be possible was if the Pro had the same CPU/GPU.

They could have implemented two operating modes for the pro.
I'm not sure what implications would be there for existing games running on better hardware.
You have games that expect certain cache patterns and access times, coded to the metal. If the metal changes and you don't guarantee the exact same behaviour, it might have consequences for existing games.

 

[sense]

I added the cost of the console itself to a decent 4k television set, assuming of course people here aren't planning to play their 4k games on a 1080p television.

Maybe people are fine with the improvements it provides for 1080p tv owners and psvr games and are planning to pick up a 4K tv in a year or two like me? At the end of the day, there really is no reason for anyone to be upset, all the games will be on both ps4's and you have an option to pick one up if you prefer the marginal improvements and have disposable income.

 

[c0de]

No. It will run with Pro CPU/GPU at OG PS4 clocks... the Pro CPU/GPU is more efficient per clock than OG PS4.

That alone will already give beneficies.

It GCN 1.1 vs GCN 1.4 and Jaguar vs Puma at the same clock... there are improvements in these new silicon because they are newer and advanced tech.

It is like you saying the IPC of a Intel Core 5xxx is the same than a Intel Core 6xxx... it is not.

To make it clear for us: what is the benefit on the screen for old, unpatched ps4 games on the pro?

 

[wapplew]

Sony seems to be subtle with the hype lately and PS4 Pro will probably be no exception. Maybe they will start to hype it up in November, but I thought you would start marketing the system well in advance to build hype and demand earlier. Imo, the PS4 Pro should of been delayed to next year with a noticeable to significant increase in power to go against the Scorpio and the PS4 Slim should of at least had 4K up conversion and an optical UHD drive would of been more ideal and great for directly competing against the XBox S. Not sure what they are thinking.

I don't think Sony will market Pro individually.
All we'll get is Pro and Slim together at the end of games ad.

 

[Poimandres]

Yeah OzBargain is showing some amazing PS4 Slim deals on the 500GB.

But the Xbox is doing a lot better than in the past thanks to the S and numerous bundles. Anecdotally I know a lot of people that I never expected to get into gaming again buying an S console.

My brother still works at JB and he tells me Hifi guys are trying to attach S consoles with 4K TV sales as its the cheapest 4K blu-ray player here.

4K TV + Xbox One S makes a lot of sense. Pretty huge oversight on Sony's part to leave out UHD Blu Ray playback, and great move on Microsofts for bringing out an appealing redesign with tempting features.

Seems like a lot of stores are selling PS4 Slim a good $100 odd cheaper than it's launch RRP, which really smells like a reaction to less than stellar sales. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if a price cut like that alone will be enough to put PS4 back in the drivers seat.

 

[FZZ]

There will be no PS4 Pro hype until the NX is revealed!

The theory of coexistence fam D:

 

[ghibli99]

The PS4 Pro is an ugly, expensive console that is targeted towards the very few owners out there of 4K television sets who are excited about - essentially - a remastering of games in higher resolution/textures.

It's inherently a niche product.

When the PS3 and Xbox 360 launched, it wasn't being marketed as a '1080p' console but one of next-generation graphics, where you didn't need to own a new TV to notice or appreciate the substantial leap in visuals.

The PS4 Pro is nothing more than a glorified add-on; the modern day Rumble Pack accessory, except with the additional need of further investment to 'see' the investment. I'm actually amazed at how much hype there seems to be about it as it is.

It reminds me of iPhone 6s owners pre-ordering an iPhone 7.

Quoting for the LOLs. My god.

 

[Scrotum Phillips]

I got mine preordered and can't wait to play this Fall's games on it. In the (hopefully) near future I can't wait for Mass Effect, Horizon and Destiny 2 taking advantage of the newer tech.

Also, for this being a gaming forum, I'm shocked at how ill-informed many of you are in regards to the Pro. There should be substantial performance boosts for 1080p tv's with the Pro. Digital Foundry has had some great coverage going over the likely benefits that i'd recommend checking out.

 

[c0de]

It will be like a 2-3 frames of difference in 30fps games (or 5-6 frames of difference in 60fps games) but that could be enough to have a more smooth... less dips... better experience.

BTW the difference between at the same clock of 1.1 and 1.4 is close to 10%.

https://www.computerbase.de/2016-08/amd-radeon-polaris-architektur-performance/2/

I can find later a comparison between Jaguar and Puma.

The pro is using Puma now? When was that confirmed?

 

[zoukka]

It's hard to get hyped over hardware that doesn't have exclusives.

 

[ethomaz]

They could have implemented two operating modes for the pro.
I'm not sure what implications would be there for existing games running on better hardware.
You have games that expect certain cache patterns and access times, coded to the metal. If the metal changes and you don't guarantee the exact same behaviour, it might have consequences for existing games.

Yes if you are running in a way different arch but it is not... it is GCN 1.1 vs GCN 1.4 The exactly same arch with performance improvements close to 10%. The same "code to metal" used in GCN 1.1 will run faster on GCN 1.4 and you can see that on PC already.

The Jaguar vs Puma is a bit less exciting because it looks to be the same IPC with improvements in power draw... I need to check more comparisons about the two CPUs but the "code to metal" used in Jaguar will run in Puma without any downside.

The pro is using Puma now? When was that confirmed?

There is no Jaguar in 14/16nm because Puma was created for that... I believe even XB1S and PS4S is using Puma instead Jaguar.

Some will say it is the same CPU and if you exclude the improvements in power management / power draw yes it is the same.

 

[Haines]

I feel more hype for a Scorpio.

Or a pc if Scorpio won't run vr good enough.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I don't think Sony will market Pro individually.
All we'll get is Pro and Slim together at the end of games ad.

You are probably right. I think they should strategically market it individually or at least inform consumers of the benefits of the PS4 Pro over the regular PS4 or Slim. Most people will probably just insinuate that it is a bulkier PS4 for $400. I think they Scorpio is getting more hyped than the PS4 Pro and that is over a year off. Sony should at least try to build some type of excitement for it especially since their presentation or unveiling failed to do that. Sony does not want another Wii U situation when so many people thought it was an add on for the Wii.

 

[sense]

4K TV + Xbox One S makes a lot of sense. Pretty huge oversight on Sony's part to leave out UHD Blu Ray playback, and great move on Microsofts for bringing out an appealing redesign with tempting features.

Seems like a lot of stores are selling PS4 Slim a good $100 odd cheaper than it's launch RRP, which really smells like a reaction to less than stellar sales. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if a price cut like that alone will be enough to put PS4 back in the drivers seat.

If anything ms are the ones selling the new systems way lower than the rrp and since it includes 4K had player, they are probably not making much money and maybe even losing money on the one s. Sony has only had crazy deals for the OG PS4 to clear inventory. They haven't had anything crazy on the slim other then maybe bundling an extra game. Reaction to less than stellar sales - lol

 

[Ostinatto]

You've already got a PS4 which you only use for exclusives because you play multiplats on your PC, why do Sony need to hype you for a day 1 purchase?

Because im a gamer and a potential customer?

Are you saying Sony don't want Ps4 owners to update to PS4 pro?

 

[ethomaz]

To make it clear for us: what is the benefit on the screen for old, unpatched ps4 games on the pro?

I expect less dips... better and smooth frame rates.

 

[Rahvar]

Ok, here is one thong that I don't get. So many people claim the lack of UHD Blurays is the reason for not buying the Pro.
I work in a store that sells Blu-rays, exceptwe don't. No one buys discs here anymore, more people buy cheap dvds for their kids.
We basically sell 1-5 Blu-rays a week.

 

[c0de]

Yes if you are running in a way different arch but it is not... it is GCN 1.1 vs GCN 1.4 The exactly same arch with performance improvements close to 10%. The same "code to metal" used in GCN 1.1 will run faster on GCN 1.4 and you can see that on PC already.

The Jaguar vs Puma is a bit less exciting because it looks to be the same IPC with improvements in power draw... I need to check more comparisons about the two CPUs but the "code to metal" used in Jaguar will run in Puma without any downside.


There is no Jaguar in 14/16nm because Puma was created for that... I believe even XB1S and PS4S is using Puma instead Jaguar.

Some will say it is the same CPU and if you exclude the improvements in power management / power draw yes it is the same.

Could you please tell us where it is confirmed to be Puma?
I don't say you're wrong but we don't have any specifics for the hardware but you behave like we have.

 

[ghibli99]

I expect less dips... better and smooth frame rates.

Is this actually true or will the Pro just be running at the same CPU/GPU clocks as a regular PS4? I seem to remember hearing/reading that there will be no difference (as opposed to the automatic slight bump on XB1S vs. XB1).

 

[c0de]

I expect less dips... better and smooth frame rates.

So you hope for something like the bone s does?

 

[icespide]

Is this actually true or will the Pro just be running at the same CPU/GPU clocks as a regular PS4? I seem to remember hearing/reading that there will be no difference (as opposed to the slight bump on XB1S vs. XB1).

we really won't know for sure until it's out and DF does their thing