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Where is the hype for ps4 pro???

I'm excited about it and seeing how games look and feel on my 4k TV, but not hyped. It's a hardware revision finally.

When I'll load up FFXV on it, that's the hype moment.
 
Rahvar said:
Ok, here is one thong that I don't get. So many people claim the lack of UHD Blurays is the reason for not buying the Pro.
I work in a store that sells Blu-rays, exceptwe don't. No one buys discs here anymore, more people buy cheap dvds for their kids.
We basically sell 1-5 Blu-rays a week.
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In the US, Blu-ray is 30 to 40% of the market depending on the week with major releases outselling DVDs which means part of the reason DVD sells more is because of the larger library. So while it's less than DVD, the 2:1 ratio still means there's a substantial market.
 
Rahvar said:
Ok, here is one thong that I don't get. So many people claim the lack of UHD Blurays is the reason for not buying the Pro.
I work in a store that sells Blu-rays, exceptwe don't. No one buys discs here anymore, more people buy cheap dvds for their kids.
We basically sell 1-5 Blu-rays a week.
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Pretty much.

I'm willing to waste money on a lot of junk, but not on $20-30 UHD blu-rays
 
TrojanBlade said:
A lot of people are complaining about no UHD player but at the same time complaining that most gamers don't have 4K/HDR tvs....lol
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Not sure I understand the "lol."

I think the point is that's it doesn't appeal greatly to those without a 4k tv nor does it appeal greatly to those with a 4k tv with the lack of UHD player.
 
Rhazer Fusion said:
You are probably right. I think they should strategically market it individually or at least inform consumers of the benefits of the PS4 Pro over the regular PS4 or Slim. Most people will probably just insinuate that it is a bulkier PS4 for $400. I think they Scorpio is getting more hyped than the PS4 Pro and that is over a year off. Sony should at least try to build some type of excitement for it especially since their presentation or unveiling failed to do that. Sony does not want another Wii U situation when so many people thought it was an add on for the Wii.
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They want to keep early adopter happy, that's the vibe I get from unveil event and TGS.
People asking for graphic comparison in 1080p for FF15 etc probably won't happen officially because OG PS4 still the biggest audience for their games.
 
Rahvar said:
Ok, here is one thong that I don't get. So many people claim the lack of UHD Blurays is the reason for not buying the Pro.
I work in a store that sells Blu-rays, exceptwe don't. No one buys discs here anymore, more people buy cheap dvds for their kids.
We basically sell 1-5 Blu-rays a week.
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You can get HD movies on netflix.
You cant get HDR 4k movies on Netflix.. at least not yet. 4K is the reason we're getting these consoles right?
 
Wheatly said:
Pretty much.

I'm willing to waste money on a lot of junk, but not on $20-30 UHD blu-rays
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The format is only six months old and we are already getting cheaper discs and sales. Let's give the format at least a little time for the price to settle. Blu ray and DVD started out high and now you can find discs for less than $4 for both formats. It's just the nature of a new format.
 
c0de said:
Could you please tell us where it is confirmed to be Puma?
I don't say you're wrong but we don't have any specifics for the hardware but you behave like we have.
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There is no confirmation just that Jaguar didn't exists below 28nm. The new 14/16nm APUs is mostly using Puma due clock/power requirement. Jaguar can't reach the clocks used in Pro.
 
ghibli99 said:
Is this actually true or will the Pro just be running at the same CPU/GPU clocks as a regular PS4? I seem to remember hearing/reading that there will be no difference (as opposed to the automatic slight bump on XB1S vs. XB1).
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This is what we were told, everything else seems to be made up.
For example, if you google for the pro and Puma, you will find this thread at page 2...
 
If the video comparisons (e.g. Uncharted and Spider-Man) to show the benefits didn't impress me, what would?
 
icespide said:
honestly there haven't been any video comparisons yet to really do a great job of selling the thing yet.
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So why are some here so defensive and dismissive about the cynicism? The 4K console not able to distinguish itself enough visually and disregards UHD playback for its 'Pro' consumers. I just don't get it.
 
ghibli99 said:
Is this actually true or will the Pro just be running at the same CPU/GPU clocks as a regular PS4? I seem to remember hearing/reading that there will be no difference (as opposed to the automatic slight bump on XB1S vs. XB1).
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The Pro will be running at the same clock than PS4 and GCN upgrade already give you beneficies over the PS4 APU.

Even if it is minimal like 30fps games that have dips to 28fps running now smooth at 30fps the beneficies will be there.

There is no way to hold the same performance of PS4 with a new APU... what some did is reach a close scenario with the same clocks but arch itself already give you beneficies.
 
c0de said:
This is what we were told, everything else seems to be made up.
For example, if you google for the pro and Puma, you will find this thread at page 2...
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Do any of the reports explicitly address patchless pre-Pro game frame rate stability/dips?
I mean we've had reports on how the Pro supposedly works but it's not like the people reporting on it has had time to test things, have they? Like no one like Digital Foundry has a Pro console in house, can pop in a copy of Bloodborne, do an analysis, and say "game has frame dips in same situations as old PS4". The XB1S improves frame rate without a patch so why should the PS4 Pro need one (Oh man Sony if they do). One thing is for sure, Sony have not given much info on the Pro.
 
c0de said:
This is what we were told, everything else seems to be made up.
For example, if you google for the pro and Puma, you will find this thread at page 2...
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Made up?

GCN 1.4 is confirmed to be faster than GCN 1.1 at same clock.

Jaguar and Puma looks to have the same IPC.

Rappy said:
Do any of the reports explicitly address patchless pre-Pro game frame rate stability/dips?
I mean we've had reports on how the Pro supposedly works but it's not like the people reporting on it has had time to test things, have they? Like no one like Digital Foundry has a Pro console in house, can pop in a copy of Bloodborne, do an analysis, and say "game has frame dips in same situations as old PS4". One thing is for sure, Sony have not given much info on the Pro.
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BB is a bad example because it didn't have framerate dips... it is constant 30fps with framepace issues... even Pro at full clock won't fix that without a patch from devs :(

But you can expect minimal difference in framerate (for better) due the move to new APU arch even at the same clock... games dipping 1-2 fps will mostly run smooth.
 
Rahvar said:
Ok, here is one thong that I don't get. So many people claim the lack of UHD Blurays is the reason for not buying the Pro.
I work in a store that sells Blu-rays, exceptwe don't. No one buys discs here anymore, more people buy cheap dvds for their kids.
We basically sell 1-5 Blu-rays a week.
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Not surprising. I honestly think Netflix and other similar services is the primary reason this. I think most people cannot justify paying $20-$40 for UHD movies that they are only going to watch one time while Netflix and other similar services offer a plethora of movies in HD and a few in comparable 4K(?) for a monthly subscription fee.
 
Rappy said:
Do any of the reports explicitly address patchless pre-Pro game frame rate stability/dips?
I mean we've had reports on how the Pro supposedly works but it's not like the people reporting on it has had time to test things, have they? Like no one like Digital Foundry has a Pro console in house, can pop in a copy of Bloodborne, do an analysis, and say "game has frame dips in same situations as old PS4". One thing is for sure, Sony have not given much info on the Pro.
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This is why we are discussing here.
Also Bloodborne didn't drop frames, it had frame pacing issues which is different to dropping frames.
The only thing that we know is that old games still work, like they did on the vanilla ps4.
What that means in the end, we will see.
 
sense said:
If anything ms are the ones selling the new systems way lower than the rrp and since it includes 4K had player, they are probably not making much money and maybe even losing money on the one s. Sony has only had crazy deals for the OG PS4 to clear inventory. They haven't had anything crazy on the slim other then maybe bundling an extra game. Reaction to less than stellar sales - lol
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- The PS4 Slim launched in Australia with an RRP of $439 (500gb model) on September 15th
- The PS4 Slim is now selling at several major retailers in Austraila for $339 (500gb model)

- The Xbox One S launched in Australia with an RRP of $399 (500gb with a game)
- The Xbox One S can not be purchased for less than $399 currently

$100 off the RRP in a month certainly looks like a reaction to me. Or do you think a reduction of that much doesn't mean anything?
 
Meus Renaissance said:
So why are some here so defensive and dismissive about the cynicism? The 4K console not able to distinguish itself enough visually and disregards UHD playback for its 'Pro' consumers. I just don't get it.
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it's a decently large upgrade in specs from the standard PS4 so i'm excited about what devs will do with it but i also understand that 1) these types of differences are not articulated well on compressed internet streams and 2) Sony is playing a delicate game of not wanting to make standard PS4 owners feel like shit

i'm buying day 1 because i usually get the first revisions of consoles and it being more powerful is just a huge plus. i'm waiting on folks like digital foundry to really dive into the improvements
 
Wait. The Xb1 S is a 4K machine? Why is it so much cheaper than the Pro?
 
Rhazer Fusion said:
Not surprising. I honestly think Netflix and other similar services is the primary reason this. I think most people cannot justify paying $20-$40 for UHD movies that they are only going to watch one time while Netflix and other similar services offer a plethora of movies in HD and a few in comparable 4K(?) for a monthly subscription fee.
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The thing is that it isn't comparable.
People just got used to the quality but some should buy or watch a Blu-ray every few months to see how bad the quality is when you stream.
Of course not horribly but definitely notable. If it's worth the price is up to yourself.
 
c0de said:
The thing is that it isn't comparable.
People just got used to the quality but some should buy or watch a Blu-ray every few months to see how bad the quality is when you stream.
Of course not horribly but definitely notable. If it's worth the price is up to yourself.
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Admittedly, I haven't seen many 4K UHD discs in comparison to 4K streaming services on Netflix. Yeah, I would imagine that streaming would not look as good as it running off the disc when it can even be noticeable with 1080p content. I think most people just deal with the lesser quality to save money, but I could be wrong.
 
As someone mentioned here the hype was bigger leading to the reveal, but I ended up a bit disappointed afterwards. Mainly due to Sony made it clear that unless you have a 4K/HDR and "patched" games, you are gonna miss a lot, old unpatched games won't get any enhanced experience. I would understand this if it weren't for Xbox One S which can at least boost the performance of older games out of the box.

I was on a hurry to put my hands on it day one but now I'll just wait and sell my OG PS4 first :)
 
Has Sony confirmed or denied whether the Pro supports FreeSync? With support coming to TVs it would be a little strange if Sony decided not to, although after 4K Blu-ray it would not surprise me.
 
icespide said:
folks really oversell the performance boost the Xbox One S provides
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Who? I mean it's not like df did a great test suite at all. I'm still mad they didn't test games with a dynamic resolution but I also don't see many people talking about the small gains.
 
icespide said:
folks really oversell the performance boost the Xbox One S provides
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There's barely any performance boost, but the upscale and HDR is supposed to be fairly decent. You can't knock that the revised xbone has not produced a quality product at a decent price.
 
MilkyJoe said:
There's barely any performance boost, but the upscale and HDR is supposed to be fairly decent. You can't knock that the revised xbone has not produced a quality product at a decent price.
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oh don't misunderstand me, the one s is really nice and they added several great features. i was merely referring to a performance boost. not trying to knock the system at all
 
Rahvar said:
Ok, here is one thong that I don't get. So many people claim the lack of UHD Blurays is the reason for not buying the Pro.
I work in a store that sells Blu-rays, exceptwe don't. No one buys discs here anymore, more people buy cheap dvds for their kids.
We basically sell 1-5 Blu-rays a week.
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I've never bought a Blu-ray because I stream everything. Streaming 4k movies and tv doesn't seem feasible right now. Renting 4k Blu-ray seems like a good use for a new TV along with games.

Hype for ps4 pro seems to be about what is should be given what they've packed into it.
 
icespide said:
oh don't misunderstand me, the one s is really nice and they added several great features. i merely mean performance boosts
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Oh right, yeah totally, a few frames here and there might equal no more than taking a corner on a track differently. It's barely worth the mention let alone trying to make a thing of it.
 
My list why:

  1. Hardware increase is mediocre.
  2. No 4K Blu-ray player.
  3. Very unattractive design.
  4. With hardware specs it would be near impossible to actually do 4K making it pointless as it doesn't have a 4K Blu-ray player.
 
ethomaz said:
BB is a bad example because it didn't have framerate dips... it is constant 30fps with framepace issues... even Pro at full clock won't fix that without a patch from devs :(
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c0de said:
This is why we are discussing here.
Also Bloodborne didn't drop frames, it had frame pacing issues which is different to dropping frames.
The only thing that we know is that old games still work, like they did on the vanilla ps4.
What that means in the end, we will see.
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I was under the impression that both were an issue but the frame pacing much larger an issue in comparison. But why are we discussing that though? Can someone link me some reports on where people got this idea that unpatched pre-Pro games will play exactly the same (in regards to frame rate)? But I guess it doesn't really matter and we'll just know for sure when the Pro is actually out.
 
MilkyJoe said:
Oh right, yeah totally, a few frames here and there might equal no more than taking a corner or a track differently. It's barely worth the mention let alone trying to make a thing of it.
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The thing is that there is close to no talk at all about that.
Where are the many threads about the performance gains? There was the df thread after launch and a little bit of that in the ot but this is all to be considered as old by now.
 
I've got one pre-ordered, but I'm still not really clear what the benefits are going to be. I'm excited in the same way as when I have a new video card on the way with which to upgrade my PC, except in this case, I'm not completely clear what the benefits will be for me in each situation.

Did they ever clarify whether or not there will always be benefits even in 1080p with compatible games, or will some benefit only with a 4K display?
 
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