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Who did Batman better? Nolanverse or Rocksteady/WB?
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Doctor Decimate
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Hush especially.
Batman is an asshole. It's more blatant depending on certain writers, but a man who does what he does isn't exactly a picture of stability or pleasantness.
Right, but Rocksteady's Batman likes to feel the snap of people's bones. It's very Frank Miller-esque brutalization of criminals.
Delta Assault
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Naaah. There's very different ways of going about it.
TAS Batman, for the most part, did not come off as an asshole. He seemed a lot more caring and human then most interpretations. At the end of "Babydoll", he just gently pats Babydoll's shoulder while she cries in sorrow. It's a good touch.
That's why a lot of people like me were turned off by The New Batman Adventures, because he really did turn into more of an asshole.
Without a doubt, Rocksteady. Nolan's Batman wasn't Batman in any way other than in name and costume. His Batman didn't display any Batman characteristics such as having a sharp mind, investigative skills, martial arts background, use of gadgets in fights/investigations, and finally, Nolan's Batman didn't look cool. Ever. Especially when he thought it was a great idea to shoot Batman in broad daylight. That was absolutely genius.
Rocksteady destroys the NolanVerse. Why is this even up for discussion?
https://youtu.be/rRDAh-fSM60
Love letter indeed.
https://youtu.be/rRDAh-fSM60
Love letter indeed.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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One thing I like more about the Arkham games versus the Nolanverse is how the psychology of Batman is explored. It feels a lot more horror-oriented, especially when you throw in their version of the Joker, Scarecrow, Mad Hatter, etc. It feels like everyone delving down a rabbit hole of insanity. Even Batman, super-competent as he is, feels like he's a couple steps away from falling into the abyss.
No martial arts background? He was trained by ninja's and Ra's Al Ghul.
No use of gadgets in investigations? What about the sonar tech? The tumbler? The batpod? The sticky bomb launcher? The cape? Using a frequency to call in bats for backup? The EMP gun?
And there's tons of Batman comics where's he's portrayed in daylight.
And he never looked cool? Ever?
Seven Force
Banned
It's weird. I had played Arkham Asylum and City in anticipation of Knight, and Batman was even less of an asshole than I remembered in Asylum. Even had some lighthearted banter with Oracle every now and then. Then I played City, and he was even more of an asshole than I remembered. It's kind of like the jump in character between Batman: The Animated Series and The New Batman Adventures that was mentioned above.
Surprised at the comments about Bale - his performance is the driving force in TDKT. He played Bruce with sincerity and injected a dose of humanity the on-screen character sorely needed. There are moments that Bale sells so incredibly well, especially with his eyes.
Not to mention, Bale's Batman fights for family and lives for love.
Not to mention, Bale's Batman fights for family and lives for love.
Primethius
Banned
Out of the two, it's a pretty easy choice for me.
Rocksteady. The universe is more fleshed out, and especially with Arkham Knight, seeing some of my favorite comic book moments come to life and/or referenced is really cool.
The universe is just more in line with the comics then the Nolan universe.
Rocksteady. The universe is more fleshed out, and especially with Arkham Knight, seeing some of my favorite comic book moments come to life and/or referenced is really cool.
The universe is just more in line with the comics then the Nolan universe.
PeskyToaster
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The Rocksteady version is the animated version. They are like the same. While one is trying to just be another comic book story the other is trying to distance itself
from the comics and just focus on a relatively grounded version of the character and villains.
thankfully
The Lamonster
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Rockstar Batman, easily.
Escape Goat
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Nolan's Batman was so bland and uninteresting. Adam West beats Nolan's Batman.
Vampirolol
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Rocksteady mixed perfectly comics, cartoon and movie versions of Batman. It's perfect.
MrRudiMentary
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The Nolanverse is better media but Rocksteady universe is a better representation of Batman.
tearsintherain
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Rocksteady's universe is far, far more fun and interesting but that is kinda unfair since its a video game. The joker in the video games is the absolute best, he is the best portrayal of the character bar none for me - I haven't seen any of the cartoons or read any of the comic books though since I was a kid.
Dark Knight is probably my favorite comic book movie, Heath Ledger did such an amazing job with the character and the movie is nearly flawless. Just the perfect combo of Batman, Bruce Wayne, Joker, and Gotham. The other two movies just don't compare for me personally, while I liked Begins I thought the last movie was pretty mediocre and both Batman and Bane were just awful.
Dark Knight is probably my favorite comic book movie, Heath Ledger did such an amazing job with the character and the movie is nearly flawless. Just the perfect combo of Batman, Bruce Wayne, Joker, and Gotham. The other two movies just don't compare for me personally, while I liked Begins I thought the last movie was pretty mediocre and both Batman and Bane were just awful.
The Shapesmith
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The game universe is PERFECTION! The real worldish trappings of the Nolan verse but with everything you would want in a Bat film and then some.
True Savior
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You are probably the one person with a batman avatar who has probably never read a batman book.Or just 4 or 5.
reelbigtink
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This is the answer we need AND deserve
Haloid1177
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The Rocksteady trilogy overtook BTAS as my definitive Batman series. So yeah, it's much better than Nolanverse at being about Batman.
Well, Rocksteady stood on the shoulders of Bruce Timm and Paul Dini, and Nolan's interpretation was it's own thing.
As far as adaptations go, clearly Rocksteady, though I think Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are great movies. Dark Knight remains the best superhero movie AFAIC.
As far as adaptations go, clearly Rocksteady, though I think Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are great movies. Dark Knight remains the best superhero movie AFAIC.
Beastdrowski
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Between the two I'd go Rocksteady.
Mostly due to how The Dark Knight Rises portrays Bruce/Batman.
Bruce would never stop being Batman by choice. He can never stop being Batman. He would have to be physically incapable of being Batman or dead before he relinquished the cowl.
That movie couldn't even go all the way and just kill Batman at the end. They had to have an out for Bruce to go to Italy or whatever the fuck. Fuck that.
Mostly due to how The Dark Knight Rises portrays Bruce/Batman.
Bruce would never stop being Batman by choice. He can never stop being Batman. He would have to be physically incapable of being Batman or dead before he relinquished the cowl.
That movie couldn't even go all the way and just kill Batman at the end. They had to have an out for Bruce to go to Italy or whatever the fuck. Fuck that.
Origins has the best storyline and character designs in the franchise. It's open world is a bit of a copypasta job, and it's a more bugged game, but it's either underrated or over-criticized IMO.
Regginator
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Rocksteady and honestly I think it's not even close. Batman Begins was cool, Dark Knight was good and Heath Ledger was fucking great, and I found Rises damn underwhelming with Tom Hardy literally being the only redeeming thing in it.
Regginator
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It has an average of ~75 at this point and I consider that to be the exact score it deserves. It's a good game, great premise but rather lacklustre execution. Considering the fact it's way too similar to Arkham City, relatively little new stuff and the many bugs it had during launch, a 75% is a very respectable score.
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I understand the divide, actually...even if it doesn't bother me in the least. I think people's problems with Bale are representative of the big difference between the Nolanverse movies and the character as he's been portrayed in the comics and most media prior to Nolan. Prior to Nolan, the best parts of Batman were his rogue's gallery and Batman being Batman. Bruce Wayne was a mask, and a pretty flimsy, uninteresting one at that. The brilliance of Nolan's twist, as already laid out in that much better post that I previously quoted, is that he managed to tell an interesting Bruce Wayne story, and make him the focal point. Bale kinda' sucks when he's Batman, but who gives a crap? Right or wrong, his movies aren't really about Batman.
I think you're spot on about his performance, by the way. He's an excellent actor, and I can't imagine anyone else pulling those movies off as well as he did.
BKatastrophe
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It's tough. Rocksteady because I like their world more, but I also like Nolan's stories more. As far as character is concerned, like many have said, Nolan's didn't feel like Batman. It was someone, but not Batman. That's not a bad thing, as he was still a solid character. Just didn't feel like the Batman I knew at the time, and still doesn't now. However, while Rocksteady's is most definitely Batman, he is so dark and cynical to the point of making me uncomfortable.
So it's a rough call, but I'll go with Rocksteady. Their world is so fucking cool.
So happy that this exists, because I was not aware until just now.
So it's a rough call, but I'll go with Rocksteady. Their world is so fucking cool.
I liked Hush. It's a nice detective story, I think. Plus, wasn't that an anniversary-type story? Because it makes sense so many characters showed up in that.
So happy that this exists, because I was not aware until just now.
SuperInuit
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You're a saint!
But ot: strictly between Nolan and Rocksteady, I prefer the manner in which RS presents Gotham and Batman. It feels like this gorgeous recreation of an imaginary city taking the best bits from every interpretation of the Bat, and then given me what basically is to me a huge playground to just be the goddamn Batman.
No disagreement there. I just started Arkham Knight and am having a blast. Only reason I picked up a current gen console.
i side with the arkham games since they feel more batman. However the arkham games have the saem problem the Btas had in the fact that they did all these villains with great interpretations, and still get a shitty bain. Its like bruce timm never read anything with him in it. I enjoyed DKR even with its faults, but I love how Bain was done right and an absolute beast. At least in the first half of the movie.
People talk about it like it's horrible, though.
TBH, I'm not sure I would recommend City over Origins to a player who had played neither. A huge part of why Origins was disappointing was how much was carried over from City.
Poodlestrike
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Nolan did an amazing crime drama, but you could have subbed in basically any non-powered costumed vigilante for Batman and lost... nothing, really. Arkham at least has that going for it.
Scott Snyder beats both.
Rocksteady's work is the epitome of Batman to me.
I hate Nolan's movies.They felt nothing like Batman to me.There's no charm in it and bale is a terrible Batman.Heath Ledger was absolutely the highlight of these movies though.
I liked Burton's better in terms of live action movies.
I hate Nolan's movies.They felt nothing like Batman to me.There's no charm in it and bale is a terrible Batman.Heath Ledger was absolutely the highlight of these movies though.
I liked Burton's better in terms of live action movies.
I agree origins is better then city. The main problem is the city itself is the same as the previous games. Particularly coming off an arkham city playthrough and going right into origins. Origins is repetitive. Origins has a better story though, the villains fights are better, the christmas theme of the game was great as well. I prefer it to city. My only problem with origins, is that a year 1 or 2 batman, should not beat Deathstroke, let alone as the first fucking fight. It was a great fight though. After that I was surprised the game didn't have you beat lady shiva.
I've never read Timm's explanation for his take on the character, but I always took it as him sort of thumbing his nose at how DC drummed up gravitas by using him and Azrael in that series all those years ago. I loved the Venom arc in the Tales books and Bane's origin story, but everything after that just felt kinda' cheesy and "me too-ish"...DC's take on more gritty Marvelverse. Hey, this guy is Batman's superior! We're going to let him break Batman's back because we can't think of anything more interesting to do, and then we're going to bring in this new guy as Batman who is pretty messed up & doesn't have such a problem with killing.
In my head, Timm said "this is so fucking stupid! Look at this big, dumb ape! He looks kinda' like one of those luchadors. Heh...yes, that's it!"
restraining order
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Rocksteady's Batman is abhorrent. Fuck that guy.
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