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[IAmRandom31]

Sony had interesting line up of published exclusives last gen, the fact games like Starhawk etc existed is a testament to that, Now you have games like infamous, the Order, Driveclub, Killzone and so on whose only major selling point is amazing graphics.

You speak like a true next-gen gamer who has played nothing but still comment on the games.

Killzone = awesome multiplayer
Infamous = damn good fun, very solid game
The Order = you know nothing of this game like the rest of us
DriveClub = just look at the OT to see how much fun actually playing the game is

Despite that, you'll still shit on em saying they are about nothing more then graphics.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Twice in a row, Eurogamer ignored the existence of Infamous.

What's up with that?

Cherry picking....this count, this does not. If I include this - that might throw off my narrative a bit -- typical writing. I have done research papers, I know what to include and not to include to support my thesis - and I am usually very one-sided even though I try to give the impression I am not by including opposing views. Still, I can chose words and present opposing views in a way that benefit my narrative and not otherwise. It just takes a bit of analysis on your part to spot the underlining BS.

I avoid giving that site clicks even for DF - which I also find ripe of disgusting narrative. Hec, I only check Gaf. Games media is a joke for various reasons - not just an editorial full of opinionated BS.

 

[backbreaker65]

Something tells me you guys and most game writers have been in this game for far to long to know this shit isn't a sprint it's a marathon. Sony output has been just fine, no need to rush through games and have nothing to play towards the end of the generation, something MS is known for, front load the games when the tech is in its infancy and really can't take advantage of the platform and then abandon it at the end just when the tech matures. Sony takes the other approach, hence the late gen surge last year and great titles.

 

[Bgamer90]

Here is where people get it wrong. Multiplats and Indies make up a huge chunk of game sales throughout the year. AAA is but the icing on the cake. The fact that multiplats are considered better on PS4 is the big drawcard here and the rwason for the console's success (apart from MS commiting suicide with their reveal of the X1).
People can argue AAA games all day but better multiplats is the reason for the PS4's success and if Eurogamer and some people in this thread cannot aknowledge then ya'll are very short sighted.

Heh, I know why the PS4 has been successful. I never said in my post "I wonder why the PS4 is successful?". I know it's due to multiplats. I also never talked about sales either.

I simply talked about games that are on the PS4 that aren't avaialble on other same gen systems. There hasn't been anything attention grabbing during the PS4's first year when it comes to games of that category to make me want one. Wii U and XB1 has been really solid in terms of their lineups of games that aren't on the other same gen consoles.

I also wouldn't say the PS4's sucess is due to its power. The majority of people who currently own a current gen console mainly wanted it play new next generation multiplats. The PS4 for many months was the cheapest box to play them on; PS4 would have more than likely done exactly the same if the specs between the two consoles were switched.

 

[GameSeeker]

There are some folks who believe the PS4 "has no games" or that the Xbone or Wii U has a better SW lineup, but those customers are very clearly in the minority.

Customers vote with their wallets. And they are voting in droves that the PS4 has a better and more varied selection of games than either of the two competing consoles.

 

[curlyfriski]

Not exactly. Just pointing out the fallacy of your argument.

That's not what a fallacy is

 

[Mass Effect]

i don't think anyone cares about lbp, but i am excited for lbp3, despite the fact that it is still a 2D side scroller and hasn't gone full 3D.

I care. And while it mostly focuses on 2D levels, you can have full 3D levels as well.

 

[Japanmanx3]

Tis why I avoid giving them clicks as much as polygon smh. Whatever points of validity they try to promote, they drown out by their own bias.

 

[Zombie James]

Idiotic article. The PS4 is the first system I've owned where I've never had a dry month all year, and it was it's first year. Does the author not remember the starts the PS3 and 360 had? It's night and day comparing the start of this generation to last.

 

[ICPEE]

Heh, I know why the PS4 has been successful. I never said in my post "I wonder why the PS4 is successful?". I know it's due to multiplats. I also never talked about sales either.

I simply talked about games that are on the PS4 that aren't avaialble on other same gen systems. There hasn't been anything attention grabbing during the PS4's first year when it comes to games of that category to make me want one. Wii U and XB1 has been really solid in terms of their lineups of games that aren't on the other same gen consoles.

I also wouldn't say the PS4's sucess is due to its power. The majority of people who currently own a current gen console mainly wanted it play new next generation multiplats. The PS4 for many months was the cheapest box to play them on; PS4 would have more than likely done exactly the same if the specs between the two consoles were switched.

I agree with you. I was just adding to your intial post. Sorry i should have made that clear in my initial reply.

 

[GeordieMark]

There are some folks who believe the PS4 "has no games" or that the Xbone or Wii U has a better SW lineup, but those customers are very clearly in the minority.

Customers vote with their wallets. And they are voting in droves that the PS4 has a better and more varied selection of games than either of the two competing consoles.

Is that why people are buying it? Id say its in spite of the games rather than because of at this point.

 

[BigDug13]

Heh, I know why the PS4 has been successful. I never said in my post "I wonder why the PS4 is successful?". I know it's due to multiplats. I also never talked about sales either.

I simply talked about games that are on the PS4 that aren't avaialble on other same gen systems. There hasn't been anything attention grabbing during the PS4's first year when it comes to games of that category to make me want one. Wii U and XB1 has been really solid in terms of their lineups of games that aren't on the other same gen consoles.

I also wouldn't say the PS4's sucess is due to its power. The majority of people who currently own a current gen console mainly wanted it play new next generation multiplats. The PS4 for many months was the cheapest box to play them on; PS4 would have more than likely done exactly the same if the specs between the two consoles were switched.

I can agree that this year became a lull after their big splash in 2013 on PS3 and what is shaping up to be a big splash in 2015. This year was just not great for their exclusive front. Even infamous SS, it's the first game in that franchise that has bored me to the point of not wanting to finish it. But the games certainly are coming, and I blame their heavy push on PS3 towards the end and lack of money to pay-off external studios for exclusives that has caused this year to be lackluster.

MS has money to buy other studio output. How much have they really released this year from INTERNAL studios? That's where the real meat in exclusive game branding comes from. Not a one-time exclusive purchase of a third party game. Money has allowed MS to get more exclusives. That's where they have the advantage. Sony HAS to cultivate their games from within. They have no other choice.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Eurogamer is just whining. The PS4 does have games, have they not seen the list of indie games?!

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

There are some folks who believe the PS4 "has no games" or that the Xbone or Wii U has a better SW lineup, but those customers are very clearly in the minority.

The internet is a very different place from the real world.

"PS4 has no games" is basically "PS4 has no exclusives". It was the same last gen. "PS3 has no games" was basically all we heard for 2 years, but the PS4 is in a much better place than the PS3 was. PS3 basically existed on Resistance for a long time. PS3 has probably the best and most varied line up of exclusives from last gen with many of their in house titles being GOTY contenders or winners.

It's like people forget that WWS is even a thing.

 

[Fdkn]

It's also funny that almost everybody (and of course the article) ignores MLB the Show because somehow sport games don't count. Or because its also on ps3/vita.

I'm sure the ps4 version has sold at least comparable to Forza Horizon 2, possibly more.

And it's actually an important exclusive because for those baseball fans, there are no alternatives as far as I know

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

These journalists that were so biased toward the 360 last gen are really having a hard time coping with the fact that Sony is back on top.

Hilarious.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Heh, I know why the PS4 has been successful. I never said in my post "I wonder why the PS4 is successful?". I know it's due to multiplats. I also never talked about sales either.

I simply talked about games that are on the PS4 that aren't avaialble on other same gen systems. There hasn't been anything attention grabbing during the PS4's first year when it comes to games of that category to make me want one. Wii U and XB1 has been really solid in terms of their lineups of games that aren't on the other same gen consoles.

I also wouldn't say the PS4's sucess is due to its power. The majority of people who currently own a current gen console mainly wanted it play new next generation multiplats. The PS4 for many months was the cheapest box to play them on; PS4 would have more than likely done exactly the same if the specs between the two consoles were switched.

What exclusive game is really doing it for you on X1 BG?
I admit that Sunset is fantastic but after beating it I haven't gone back. I think that is more of a testament to Destiny than anything else though. Every other game on my X1 though has been just a uneventful as their counterparts on X1.

I played maybe 5 hours of FH2 and that did nothing for me.
Titanfall on PC which I spent about a week on.
Then umm Dead Rising 3 was okay and Ryse sucked.

Oh and MCC is the biggest shite show of a launch outside of Driveclub.

 

[RespectThySole]

Actually, not only does it matter, the way people use terms works to shape their meaning.

You can say other people are wrong until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't change the fact that people use the term indie to refer to a variety of titles, some of which have their own caveats.

Ridiculous. The only reason they have to add any caveats is because those games are not indie, exclusive, etc. If the game is inherently so, then there would be no need for any stipulations.

You could use that argument for pretty much anything as long as you add conditions. Titanfall is not exclusive and Ori is not an indie. You can twist it to mean anything you want, but that does not make it so.

Ori is an indie if we forget that it's owned by a company worth billions of dollars! Titanfall is exclusive if we forget PC and 360 exist! Destiny sold more on XB1 if you don't count bundles! Its a bit silly if this is the angle that you're really trying to take.

 

[USC-fan]

Its funny eurogamer pick up on the "no exclusive" narrative after seeing the "exclusives" released this holiday all bomb in sales. MCC should correct this but doubt it will even top 5 this month in npd.

Sony just doesnt only release games in the sept-nov months. They release games all year. For example xbone doesnt have a big first party game until fall of 2015? Sony first half 2015 is loaded with major exclusives. Ms is laser focus on holiday like most retailers but as a gamer this is when I have the most games to play.

 

[semiconscious]

Something tells me you guys and most game writers have been in this game for far to long to know this shit isn't a sprint it's a marathon. Sony output has been just fine, no need to rush through games and have nothing to play towards the end of the generation, something MS is known for, front load the games when the tech is in its infancy and really can't take advantage of the platform and then abandon it at the end just when the tech matures. Sony takes the other approach, hence the late gen surge last year and great titles.

this has more to do with why the public's 'embraced' the ps4 this gen than most people think. best value over the long haul...

 

[GameSeeker]

Is that why people are buying it? Id say its in spite of the games rather than because of at this point.

People are not buying the PS4 as a blu-ray player, like some did for the PS3. People are buying the PS4 to play games and it has better and more games to play than the competition.

The proof is in the customer behavior.

 

[benny_a]

I simply talked about games that are on the PS4 that aren't avaialble on other same gen systems. There hasn't been anything attention grabbing during the PS4's first year when it comes to games of that category to make me want one. Wii U and XB1 has been really solid in terms of their lineups of games that aren't on the other same gen consoles.

And this is absolutely fine to think that way. Everyone is entitled to their preference.

There are loads of preferences found on GAF, we even have quite a few people on GAF that have no interest in a single game that isn't found on Nintendo hardware.

If you say: This is how I feel and it sucks for me.
Unfortunately that doesn't make for a great headline, so the author wants to speak for others.

People should have enough common sense that they should maybe not speak authoritatively for others if they can't at least back it up with some statistics.

 

[Bgamer90]

There are some folks who believe the PS4 "has no games" or that the Xbone or Wii U has a better SW lineup, but those customers are very clearly in the minority.

Customers vote with their wallets. And they are voting in droves that the PS4 has a better and more varied selection of games than either of the two competing consoles.

Really don't think a huge portion of current PS4 owners bought the system to play games outside of the multiplats (that are also available on the XB1).

PS4 was a better price from the get-go and didn't have negativity/bad PR. That seemingly played a far bigger role because the games that many are buying for the PS4 are multiplats obviously.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

These journalists that were so biased toward the 360 last gen are really having a hard time coping with the fact that Sony is back on top.

Hilarious.

Rubbish

 

[Grisby]

Sony's lineup has been super weak compared to the X1. However, I've been playing all the multiplats on it so it's still being used a lot (dragon age this upcoming week).

Infamous was a huge disappointment for me as it didn't even match up to the previous two games.

 

[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

The PS4 is the most popular system and the easiest to develop for, with the most power. The 3rd party exclusives will come.

 

[BigDug13]

What's the narrative here? That Sony has not opened up their empty wallet to buy off third party studio games like Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive? It's not like Microsoft game studios are flooding the market with exclusives. MS is buying them. It's great for the XBO owner, no doubt, but is that a reflection of poor management on Sony's part that their financial situation forces them to cultivate internal games?

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Sony's lineup has been super weak compared to the X1. However, I've been playing all the multiplats on it so it's still being used a lot (dragon age this upcoming week).

Infamous was a huge disappointment for me as it didn't even match up to the previous two games.

What did you find disappointing about it ? Not having a go at you just curious. I thought it was great personally.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

So when do we get the articles about how Microsoft must hate themselves because they AREN'T having a great year and they have even less games?

I mean, I don't want EITHER article to ever be written, but throwing shade the PS4 for having flaws that the Xbox One suffers from in greater amounts seems kind of disingenuous. :/

 

[The Artisan]

I care. And while it mostly focuses on 2D levels, you can have full 3D levels as well.

super cool username. and i know it is "capable" of full 3D levels, but that should've been what the game was entirely, and 2D being an option, instead of the other way around.

 

[Zia]

The echo chamber of fandom makes people really defensive about their branded media boxes.

Anyway, it's been a terribly disappointing first year between a first-party lineup consisting of brain dead tech demos such as Infamous, Driveclub and Killzone, the spit in the face of preservation that is PS Now, Plus being a required thing and Sony's embrace of indies requiring weird exclusivity windows.

Next year honestly doesn't look that much more interesting. You have Bloodborne, probably the Game of 2014, and the uncertainties that are Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Tomorrow Children and Rime, but otherwise it's more stuff and things like The Order and probably a new Dragon's Lair from Quantic Dream. No news of The Last Guardian, no interesting third party exclusives like Okami, Rez, Katamari or God Hand that defined the PS2 generation in North America.

Things will get better but I'm skeptical as to just how much better, and if games existed in a vacuum without Nintendo, the PC space or iOS, if it was just the Next-Gen Twins, I'd be questioning why I still play games.

Do better, Sony.

 

[CaptainofIndustry]

I posted this question in another thread, but do you all think that Sony should've released The Last of Us as a PS4 exclusive? I get a feeling that there would be a lot less whining about "no new games" if it would have been a PS4 exclusive. Anyway, I think the PS4 has a ton of great games, with plenty more on the way.

 

[mrklaw]

I wont criticize quality. I mean Infamous, Tlou, what else through the first half I just don't remember honestly.

OK, then I apologise for my comment.

From what I can remember - big budget titles only for 2014

Sony (6): Infamous, MLB'14, TLoU, Driveclub, LBP3, Guilty Gear Xrd
MS (4): Titanfall, Forza Horizon 2, Halo:MCC, SO

Separating by time

Q1
Sony: Infamous (March)
MS: Titanfall (March)

Q2
Sony: MLB'14 (May)
MS: N/A

Q3
Sony: TLoU (July)
MS: Forza Horizon 2 (Sep)

Q4
Sony: Driveclub (Oct); LBP3 (Nov); Guilty Gear Xrd (Dec)
MS: Sunset Overdrive (oct), Halo:MCC (Nov)

 

[Jburton]

With 2015 bringing the first real wave of Sony exclusive titles and a price drop that will hit at some point in 2015 the timing couldn't be better.

With a maturing OS and more AAA titles for PS+ Sony have no worries.

 

[BigDug13]

The echo chamber of fandom makes people really defensive about their branded media boxes.

Anyway, it's been a terribly disappointing first year between a first-party lineup consisting of brain dead tech demos such as Infamous, Driveclub and Killzone, the spit in the face of preservation that is PS Now, Plus being a required thing and Sony's embrace of indies requiring weird exclusivity windows.

Next year honestly doesn't look that much more interesting. You have Bloodborne, probably the Game of 2014, and the uncertainties that are Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Tomorrow Children and Rime, but otherwise it's more stuff and things like The Order and probably a new Dragon's Lair from Quantic Dream. No news of The Last Guardian, no interesting third party exclusives like Okami, Rez, Katamari or God Hand that defined the PS2 generation in North America.

Things will get better but I'm skeptical as to just how much better, and if games existed in a vacuum without Nintendo, the PC space or iOS, if it was just the Next-Gen Twins, I'd be questioning why I still play games.

Do better, Sony.

Uhh...Sony having exclusivity windows for indies? I think you have that backward. It's MS that has the exclusive or parity policy for indies. Sony has no such mandate.

Also you're mentioning third party Japanese exclusives. If the studios aren't making those games anymore because their console market has dried up, how exactly do you want Sony to shit those games out?

I think people have unrealistic expectations.

 

[Stone Ocean]

I posted this question in another thread, but do you all think that Sony should've released The Last of Us as a PS4 exclusive? I get a feeling that there would be a lot less whining about "no new games" if it would have been a PS4 exclusive. Anyway, I think the PS4 has a ton of great games, with plenty more on the way.

Not really, what would releasing TLOU this year accomplish? PS4 is selling like mad, TLOU sold well on both consoles, there is literally nothing to gain aside from having sites like Eurogamer shut up.

 

[GameSeeker]

Really don't think a huge portion of current PS4 owners bought the system to play games outside of the multiplats (that are also available on the XB1).

PS4 was a better price from the get-go and didn't have negativity/bad PR. That seemingly played a far bigger role because the games that many are buying for the PS4 are multiplats obviously.

Customers bought the PS4 to play games. It doesn't matter if those games are 1st party, 3rd party, indie, physical disc, downloadable, exclusive, non-exclusive, AAA, non-AAA, etc.

Customers are voting with their wallets that the PS4 is the best console for playing games. Some folks may think differently, but that is a minority viewpoint.

 

[delSai]

I posted this question in another thread, but do you all think that Sony should've released The Last of Us as a PS4 exclusive? I get a feeling that there would be a lot less whining about "no new games" if it would have been a PS4 exclusive. Anyway, I think the PS4 has a ton of great games, with plenty more on the way.

Nah, i think Last of Us was the perfect "Good Bye" for the Ps3. The God of War Game and Puppeteer could've been on Ps4 if ya ask me.

 

[GeordieMark]

People are not buying the PS4 as a blu-ray player, like some did for the PS3. People are buying the PS4 to play games and it has better and more games to play than the competition.

The proof is in the customer behavior.

But there are many reasons for why customers would buy a PS4. Saying it is because it has more and better games than the competition is false. It's as silly as saying PS4 has no games.

 

[Upinsmoke]

I just want to aolpologise to eurogamer because I've played a bunch of great games and enjoyed them a lot, so I do apologize for doing that, I know it's not allowed so sorry.

 

[Fdkn]

brain dead tech demos such as Infamous, Driveclub and Killzone,

You didn't like those games so they are brain dead tech demos, allright

Sony's embrace of indies requiring weird exclusivity windows.

this is a lie. don't lie.

OK, then I apologise for my comment.

From what I can remember - big budget titles only to the end of this year

Sony (6): Infamous, MLB'14, TLoU, Driveclub, LBP3, Guilty Gear Xrd
MS (4): Titanfall, Forza Horizon 2, Halo:MCC, SO

I'd say FFXIV fits in that criteria too.

 

[LurkingFear]

 

[gundamkyoukai]

The echo chamber of fandom makes people really defensive about their branded media boxes.

Anyway, it's been a terribly disappointing first year between a first-party lineup consisting of brain dead tech demos such as Infamous, Driveclub and Killzone, the spit in the face of preservation that is PS Now, Plus being a required thing and Sony's embrace of indies requiring weird exclusivity windows.

Next year honestly doesn't look that much more interesting. You have Bloodborne, probably the Game of 2014, and the uncertainties that are Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Tomorrow Children and Rime, but otherwise it's more stuff and things like The Order and probably a new Dragon's Lair from Quantic Dream. No news of The Last Guardian, no interesting third party exclusives like Okami, Rez, Katamari or God Hand that defined the PS2 generation in North America.

Things will get better but I'm skeptical as to just how much better, and if games existed in a vacuum without Nintendo, the PC space or iOS, if it was just the Next-Gen Twins, I'd be questioning why I still play games.

Do better, Sony.

Your joking right ?
Sometimes it's hard to tell plus your wrong about sony and indie games

 

[Curufinwe]

The echo chamber of fandom makes people really defensive about their branded media boxes.

Anyway, it's been a terribly disappointing first year between a first-party lineup consisting of brain dead tech demos such as Infamous, Driveclub and Killzone, the spit in the face of preservation that is PS Now, Plus being a required thing and Sony's embrace of indies requiring weird exclusivity windows.

Nothing you said here is close to being accurate.

 

[USC-fan]

I posted this question in another thread, but do you all think that Sony should've released The Last of Us as a PS4 exclusive? I get a feeling that there would be a lot less whining about "no new games" if it would have been a PS4 exclusive. Anyway, I think the PS4 has a ton of great games, with plenty more on the way.

No way.

No one cares if people whine. People whine about everything.

Ps4 is the king and people love to attack the king.

 

[Malice215]

The PS4 has games, it's just lacking that exclusive killer app which will come in time.

Xbone starting to get its act together, but it has less to offer than the PS4 does. But this is to be expected as we transition from one generation to the next. And the Wii U has some strong first party titles, but not much else.

But if there was nothing to play on the PS4, then the console wouldn't be leading in sales month after month. The system has had a consistent stream of games so far, and 2015 will look even better.

 

[GeordieMark]

Silly thing is that what the article is saying is that none of the PS4 exclusives so far have been a 'killer app', not that there are literally no games.

And they are right. There hasn't been a killer app in terms of a single awesome game so far.

 

[GnawtyDog]

I posted this question in another thread, but do you all think that Sony should've released The Last of Us as a PS4 exclusive? I get a feeling that there would be a lot less whining about "no new games" if it would have been a PS4 exclusive. Anyway, I think the PS4 has a ton of great games, with plenty more on the way.

I don't think it would of really mattered. You still have the game on PS4 - and it does not matter in these sort of discussions now does it? The game does not stop being great for being on the PS3 - even if arguably the best experience is on PS4. The only thing that matters is a tick on a criteria sheet that makes it "count" or "not count" - significantly enough.

Those hellbent of the idea of PS4 "has no games" will move the goal-post, or come up with criteria to suit their narrative to push the thesis. It's an old and overused methodology.....

There are 177 games on the PS4...177. How many people have purchased more than 10? Average 2-3 games per PS4 owner...same for Xbox One with 114 games.

Indie developers are there waiting for the media to cover their games or approach them about writing an article about their games BUT NO. Big media these days will prefer to go content-dry for a day than cover an indie game. You could get more info about a game in a 1 hour conversion with an indie developer than you will with a AAA dev that has a PR leash around his neck.

 

[Melchiah]

PlayStation 4 has had a great year. But PlayStation 4 owners haven't, not really. We've done our part: bought the machines in good faith and persuaded ourselves that those extra frames per second, those extra lines of resolution, are really worth it. It's getting hard to keep that up. The PS4 must be the most successful console without a killer app there's ever been, but its momentum can't last forever, its feelgood factor has worn off, and its opponent has got its act together. Sony - and all your partners - it's over to you.

What a load of crap. I've had a great gaming year myself.

 

[semiconscious]

What's the narrative here? That Sony has not opened up their empty wallet to buy off third party studio games like Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive? It's not like Microsoft game studios are flooding the market with exclusives. MS is buying them. It's great for the XBO owner, no doubt, but is that a reflection of poor management on Sony's part that their financial situation forces them to cultivate internal games?

the narrative is: not sure why ps4's doing so well. because, as we all know, consumers are short-sighted & attracted to gimmicks, & choosing a console is premised on first-year output & holiday fireworks, & not on what's eventually to come...