Because you live in a stupid socialist country, people should earn the right to a degree and not have them handed out... giving shit out for free is bad for business.
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Because you live in a stupid socialist country, people should earn the right to a degree and not have them handed out... giving shit out for free is bad for business.
Shieeet, you guys are getting reamed.
I just asked my class tutors for how much we're expected to spend on books and they said 20-30 a book and a single book will last ~2 courses in math or physics. The teachers mostly supply their own material either on paper or on the school intranet.
I just asked my class tutors for how much we're expected to spend on books and they said 20-30 a book and a single book will last ~2 courses in math or physics. The teachers mostly supply their own material either on paper or on the school intranet.
oh and the tuition is free as well - only joining the student organizations costs anything
CliqWriter
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Many of you guys skipped over an earlier comment with a suggestion to buy a tablet.
This shit saved my life. Lightweight. Cheaper for my books. Pays for itself after 2 semesters.
This shit saved my life. Lightweight. Cheaper for my books. Pays for itself after 2 semesters.
narcosis219
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This is really unnerving lol.
I can't identify which part is bush and which is obama!!
Featheredkitten
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don't Taunt us with your socialism! (seriously though my mum said the same thing.)
Our socialism brings all the engineers to the yard.
Started yesterday at an Applied Sciences university. Both days have ended with tutor-led boozing. Luckily there's two days of rest before the next official student activi--- boozing.
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It is. Links to anything piracy is a nono.
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Bu-sama
http://www.webassign.net/
is one of them. I argued with the director of the math department about it being just a method to submit our hw assignments. Their argument was that there are videos on the service that give instructions on how to do the problems, basically the same videos that you can find on youtube and other free tutor services.
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btw, i hope some of you students realize you have a voice with all this more than just posting on Neogaf.
is one of them. I argued with the director of the math department about it being just a method to submit our hw assignments. Their argument was that there are videos on the service that give instructions on how to do the problems, basically the same videos that you can find on youtube and other free tutor services.
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btw, i hope some of you students realize you have a voice with all this more than just posting on Neogaf.
Featheredkitten
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i have heard if you want students to show up you should offer booze and/or a free t-shirt.
That's probably the case here in the Georgia. But then again, it's not like most of the students here are that bright. Lazy and dumber than a sack of rocks... "What do you mean? We have to read and study this book?" ... "I know right? It's like you're in college or something."
No one is forcing you to go. You can always do a trade school, learn programming, or something that doesn't require to go down a traditional learning path.
I have no clue what to do, or where to go. Once I graduate I'm pretty much fucked left without a path for a career. I'm almost 25 and have nothing.
I've been pretty lucky with my professors this semester. Decided to hold off on buying my books and all of my professors have some sort of lax book policy. Be it that we don't need those stupid ass exclusive codes, or that we dont need the most up to date edition.
Full retail for all my books this semester was $377.90 and I ended up paying about $70 all in all for used books on Amazon. One of the books my school offered was the first ten chapters of another book in a binder on printer paper for $80 so I went onto Amazon and bought the full book for $15.
They're thieves.
Full retail for all my books this semester was $377.90 and I ended up paying about $70 all in all for used books on Amazon. One of the books my school offered was the first ten chapters of another book in a binder on printer paper for $80 so I went onto Amazon and bought the full book for $15.
They're thieves.
RoadHazard
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Really weird. During my 4 years at university so far, I've only once actually been required to buy a book for a course (it was a work book made especially for it, by the school). In all other cases it's just been "this is the course book", and then it's been up to us to get it or not. Actual assignments are usually separate from it (but often based on it, of course). Pretty sure that's more or less the norm at Swedish universities.
..that you can't re-sell. Such bullshit
Featheredkitten
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Dude, i'm 26 and just starting on monday.
It's your life and your path no one else is going to come along and figure stuff out for you. If you're unhappy with it, you have options. Don't just resign yourself to whatever and think you have no way out.
oneils
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Wow. Are you, like, in North America? That is really backwards. Feel bad for you, man.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
So glad I'm done with school this week. Can't imagine taking my time going to college, paying more and more in money (and time) for the exact same result. Such a corrupt system.
My advice for anyone in the US here on the fence about going, about to go, or not sure if to continue going... First, consider trade school. There are lots of different trades that you can study in and you're bound to find something you like that's employable and pays decent enough. Second, if you're doin the full four years, be realistic about what you're doing. If you're getting some degree in medieval history or sports theory... Yeah, most likely you're going to get out and have jack shit opportunity. Instead go for one of the STEM fields that the US needs more of. And lastly, there is no shame living at home if it saves you money. I missed out on the dorm experience, but I'd much rather graduate without the crippling debt than years from now say, "Well all that debt sure was worth a couple of years in that mildew ridden dorm."
Edit: For the record I did both, trade school and university.
Edit: For the record I did both, trade school and university.
I thought that the expense of textbooks was tax deducible.
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=205674,00.html
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=205674,00.html
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
people will complain as long as there are books to be bought, it really doesnt matter what price they are.
i think books are less of an evil (provided you actually have a use for them) than the online access codes which you cant even try to sell back.
i think books are less of an evil (provided you actually have a use for them) than the online access codes which you cant even try to sell back.
Featheredkitten
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This man knows what he's talking about. For the record, my SO went to one year of college and was majoring in philosophy of all things, he dropped out and now has a very nice career. Without having to do four years and accrue massive debt. It can be done!
dream
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God, that is so good of you. I can't tell you how many lit courses I've taken where the profs insist on using specific editions of novels just for citation's sake.
I can understand why professors do that though. It just makes their lives easier when students write papers and use citations. Although it would definitely be great if all professors were like JAGII.
Its not like you get to keep the stuff you bought through the code. Everything is locked out after two or so semesters.
Sometimes the online code is the only option because otherwise you paying like $100 more.
Luckily that shit is kept to early classes (so they can get everyone), the books have gotten cheaper once I started upper level courses.
Sometimes the online code is the only option because otherwise you paying like $100 more.
Luckily that shit is kept to early classes (so they can get everyone), the books have gotten cheaper once I started upper level courses.
I am a wonderful person, its true.
But really, I'm only teaching 100 and 200 level courses, and I'm less concerned with formal elements than other profs. That means we don't need to spend a great deal of time pouring over the minutia of a particular passage, and can talk in fairly broad terms about scenes and characters. If there is a certain passage that I want them to keep in mind, I'll usually project it on the screen and read it out loud.
In higher level classes, or those with an emphasis on form, it can be imperative that everyone be able to find passages and readings quickly and accurately, so there is a very good reason for requiring a particular version. Plus, there can be substantial differences between editions, as translations can be different obviously, and sometimes the author will revise his or her work between reprints.
Most of the time, though, there's no need to burden someone in a 100/200 level course with that level of detail.
dream
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Yeah, that's what I used to think but, as a comp lit major, it's just so painful to have to buy different versions of texts I already own.
It's especially annoying because I've had more than 1 (more than 3, actually) profs tell me that they don't actually look up citations on primary sources...
Angry Fork
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Why hasn't someone tried to file some sort of lawsuit about this kind of stuff? Is there nothing students can do?
Yikes! I would imagine specific versions would be imperative for comp lit, especially if you plan to go on to Grad School and start publishing. Editors get really snippy about editions. My specialization is in contemporary American lit, so its less of a concern for me, but I've got to believe you're going to run into fights about translations and corrected texts and all that fun stuff.
selling books isn't illegal.
and students can do something, making their voices heard on campus. but what Im realizing is that students just dont give a darn, particularly when their parents are paying everything. book selling probably has a more adverse effect on the working class student, and they should bring this to attention. contact the department, school newspaper, class presidents at cetera.
Zoe
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Only makes a difference if you itemize which, if you're a student, is likely less than the standard deduction.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
how do you mean book selling has an adverse effect? in what sense?
just curious what you meant, not saying it isnt true.
virtuoso88
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But professors, administrators and web weenies need to get paid too!
Lamel
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Well either quit...or be pro-active in your learning outside of the classroom.
90% of the material you learn in college courses is what you teach yourself.
BrLvgThrChmstry
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Nice thread. I'm in the process of applying to go (back, sorta) to college. In the US. Major: computer animation. SCAD (Atlanta) is first on my list, though I am interested in going to school back in NYC... Any advice?
I've been doing my own research but would love some insight from anyone.
I've been doing my own research but would love some insight from anyone.
That's ALL you spent on books? Good lord. My first semester was something like $650. It just went up from there, then the codes came in to play and I said, "fuck this bullshit," and haven't been back. I'll go back, eventually, but it's a shit show of the highest order right now.
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Wait, colleges in US don't support photocopying?
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