Imperfected
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If I didn't know this was actually a thing, I would straight-up accuse you of posting the shittiest photoshop I've ever seen.
Goddamnit, why can't it be a photoshop?
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Who the fuck is responsible for the Sonic series?
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If I didn't know this was actually a thing, I would straight-up accuse you of posting the shittiest photoshop I've ever seen.
Winterfang
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People give Sonic too much shit for doing things every other platform game does. How dare Sonic games have a hub world, Why am I talking to other characters to do missions Boo!!, why are they adding new characters to a new story?
Just when you think you have seen everything...
By "recent" I mean compared to the cool 90s titles.
Gormless Noodle
Member
Yeah. It's incredibly sad, Sega had a second Mario on their hands and they just threw it all out the window. With a giant boulder attached to its feet. And then they threw lava over it. And a meteor.
KojiKnight
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Hardcore sonic fandom is one of the few gaming fandoms that honestly makes me cringe (I'm not talking your average every day sonic fan, and I don't mean the hardcore genesis fans... I mean the hardcore current fans).
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Sonic Adventure 2 is still complete dogshit despite what nostalgia blinded fans of that game will tell you. The treasure hunting stages were beyond awful. The mech shooting stages sucked. The speed stages were decent. That's more than two thirds of a shit game. Two thirds shit and one third decent equates to a shit game. People that want a sequel are bad and should feel bad.
Hero of Legend
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I can't wait to see what Big Red Button brings to the table with Sonic Boom. You have the Crash and Jak leads from Naughty Dog (Bob Rafei can basically be credited as the main artist and character designer. Without Bob, Crash and Jak would be VERY different).
And some outstanding animators and concept folks from Disney Feature Animation and Dreamworks Animation. Todd Ammons from Disney has animated for MANY of their Renaissance Era films.
Need more info? Get a load of my findings of the team here:
http://www.sonicstadium.org/2014/02...-long-quiet-history-lets-have-a-look-and-see/
http://www.sonicstadium.org/2014/03...uperbots-are-invading-we-need-reinforcements/
And some outstanding animators and concept folks from Disney Feature Animation and Dreamworks Animation. Todd Ammons from Disney has animated for MANY of their Renaissance Era films.
Need more info? Get a load of my findings of the team here:
http://www.sonicstadium.org/2014/02...-long-quiet-history-lets-have-a-look-and-see/
http://www.sonicstadium.org/2014/03...uperbots-are-invading-we-need-reinforcements/
Yaphett Kotto
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lmao, theres only been three ports of both Adventures.
Compare that to Sonic 1-3 separately.
AuthenticM
Member
The post Adventure games made me feel as if they had been designed by an autistic person; at least when it came to the narrative.
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NaDannMaGoGo
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The Chao Garden in SA2B on GameCube really was quite amazing. So much stuff to do. It's like another decently chunked game on top of that Sonic game.
Mind you, by now I consider these Tamagotchi-like pet games as no longer all that great, because usually it simply isn't good gameplay / game design that keeps you interesting but it's rather addicting elements that keep you going. Either way, the Chao garden in SA2B was still pretty much the best pet zoo game I've ever seen as far as that's concerned.
I mean the variety of Chao (that's plural alright!) was great. Having hero, dark and neutral ones, and then having them alter their form even more depending on what kind of stats you prioritize; heck, going so far as to being able to create "Sonic" look-alike Chao etc. Really good.
The Chao Karate got you interested in the competitive aspect at first and then you stay for the progressively more and more extreme races.
I don't care much for "cute" usually but I also have to admit, those things really were quite cute. And the AI was actually rather impressive. Once you got toys for these folks and they had singing lessons and whatnot there was constantly s.th. fun going on.
Yeah... I want those Chao guys again, maybe an even better implementation than SA2B.
One way to improve would certainly be cutting down on the grind and making it more fun to collect stuff for the Chao in your normal level runs. For example completing a stage really well should grant you rare animals/chao drives (or how they were called); you know, as opposed to just running through levels to quickly gain these things because that's more effective.
Shit, I've just written a really long post about the Chao Garden :|
Mind you, by now I consider these Tamagotchi-like pet games as no longer all that great, because usually it simply isn't good gameplay / game design that keeps you interesting but it's rather addicting elements that keep you going. Either way, the Chao garden in SA2B was still pretty much the best pet zoo game I've ever seen as far as that's concerned.
I mean the variety of Chao (that's plural alright!) was great. Having hero, dark and neutral ones, and then having them alter their form even more depending on what kind of stats you prioritize; heck, going so far as to being able to create "Sonic" look-alike Chao etc. Really good.
The Chao Karate got you interested in the competitive aspect at first and then you stay for the progressively more and more extreme races.
I don't care much for "cute" usually but I also have to admit, those things really were quite cute. And the AI was actually rather impressive. Once you got toys for these folks and they had singing lessons and whatnot there was constantly s.th. fun going on.
Yeah... I want those Chao guys again, maybe an even better implementation than SA2B.
One way to improve would certainly be cutting down on the grind and making it more fun to collect stuff for the Chao in your normal level runs. For example completing a stage really well should grant you rare animals/chao drives (or how they were called); you know, as opposed to just running through levels to quickly gain these things because that's more effective.
Shit, I've just written a really long post about the Chao Garden :|
Professor Beef
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Not all of the 90's titles were golden. Or are people purposely forgetting Spinball, Chaotix, etc? Because I don't blame you if you do.
Thats great that you feel that way.
I mean that didn't address anything but sure.
Eh actually thats one of the reasons I value, it.
yeah its stupid, thats why I like it.
Also the comics are good.
Don't have much hope for boom though.
As a franchise and as a game.
But we'll see.
Besides, there already is a Sonic Adventure 3.
It came out in 2006, and it was titled "Sonic the Hedgehog".
Shadoken
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If people hate Sonic so much , why do new sonic threads pop up every day asking the same damn questions ? And it is mostly the same people with the same replies too lol.
And SA1 and SA2 arent all that bad when it came to story, sure it was the start of the plot and story sections for sonic games. But games like Shadow and Sonic 06 is where things went from "edgy cool plot" for kids to downright weird. The modern games though don't really have a story at all.
And SA1 and SA2 arent all that bad when it came to story, sure it was the start of the plot and story sections for sonic games. But games like Shadow and Sonic 06 is where things went from "edgy cool plot" for kids to downright weird. The modern games though don't really have a story at all.
You mean the game that introduced an edgy reskinned version of the main character, a bat with big tits who was meant to be sexy, had Sonic just jumping into a limousine the president is sitting in and a story with all of that that takes itself incredibly seriously? Nope, not an embarrassment at all.
Also, I've seen plenty of people say that Sonic Adventure 2 is shit.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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You mean like they've been doing since 2010? Seriously guys you're not even trying anymore. The amount of people that shit on the series without knowing anything about the series is astounding.
With that said Sonic Boom is returning to a plot focused style, but that's only a spinoff and based on the new cartoon with a new dev so that's to be expected. I'd imagine the next Sonic Team game will be a return to the Lost World gameplay style(but much improved hopefully) and the simple story style.
Gamers who continue buying Sonic games are responsible. Lavished money on some of the worst games in the franchise until no one at Sega was aware that they were doing a terrible terrible thing.
That being said, the "shitty friends" hate goes too far. Hating on Rouge the Bat is no different than hating on Waluigi. The characters in and of themselves are innocuous. That they're associated with a terrible story that goes above and beyond what it really should be doing for a platform game is where the hate should be directed.
That being said, the "shitty friends" hate goes too far. Hating on Rouge the Bat is no different than hating on Waluigi. The characters in and of themselves are innocuous. That they're associated with a terrible story that goes above and beyond what it really should be doing for a platform game is where the hate should be directed.
Winterfang
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They've gone for some really weird character design decisions lately.
I don't remember Big having cannons and he hasn't being in a main game in more than a decade. So that can be lately, probably some fan mod.
Professor Beef
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The same reason people keep making "whats the deal with MLP" threads: so they have an excuse to shit on the series. It's tiring.
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Saturday after noon and you bored, why not hate on a thing. Fill some time
I would imagine there would be less ports considering one is older than the other.
" why are their less ports of 64 than SM1-3"
I coudn't hazard a guess.
Mr.Marston
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Sonic Colors is a legitimately very good Wii game.
And Waluigi doesn't have boobs and was not meant to be sexy.
His extreme sex appeal is completely unintentional.
I'm comparing both approaches to the series. I'm not hating on it as a whole, and good job realizing I don't know a lot about the series considering I said I'm new to Sonic games, lol.
AuthenticM
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Was he banned for that ? His post history doesn't reveal anything worthy of a ban.
I want to know !
wintermute0
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Sonic Adventure 2 was a good 3D Sonic game, imo. I loved the chao raising aspects of the game.
Everything after SA2 however... >_>
Everything after SA2 however... >_>
foxuzamaki
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afoni was trolling lol
Yaphett Kotto
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So how are the Adventure games "keep getting re released because it does well?"
That was what I was getting at.
MagnaderAlpha
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To me, the 2D games are canon. Everything else is expanded universe
I'd say half on Sonic 4, though. IMO, an idealized version of the game(that actually plays good, like the old ones) would fit in well, but generally, Sonic1-3 + CD and S&K are the ONLY Sonic the Hedgehog games that MATTER. Everything else I'm not much a fan of, and it could exist in alternate Sonic worlds(like all the different toon series do). Sonic Boom, which I remain open-minded about(which I tend to do, even though all others have kinda let me down in general), definitely takes place in an alternate Sonic world.
Though, in my ideal Sonic the Hedgehog world, the only HUMAN there is Eggman. There's no Elise, no Unleashed "human cities/towns" and such. It's a cartoony world of mainly anthopomorphic animals with the exception of Eggman. I'd liken it to some Disney cartoons(a lot of the older ones where it's primarily JUST animal people) or the worlds like seen in DuckTales, Darkwing Duck, TaleSpin and such. That and less realistic design style. Sonic's worlds are naturally stylized. Grass sprouts in colored lines, rock formations naturally come checkered, and the hills form paths to go into loops and twirling ledge bridges. That's what the world of Sonic the Hedgehog is and should be. There's no "regular forest" or "normal looking beach" in that world(or should be in that world). Everything should have a hint of stylization that reflects that unique aspects of the world. That's something I actually liked about Lost World. Art direction-wise, it was LIKE the old games. Gameplay-wise... er....
That being said, I don't have much a problem with additional anthropomorphic characters in the Sonic universe. The only problem I have is that there are too much of them. I don't think we need all those "other" hedgehogs. Sonic and Amy Rose are good enough. We don't need Shadow or Silver.
Of course, this is just my personal canon.
To be fair, Sonic games were really shitty for almost a decade. Not even the innocuous mediocrity of most bad mascot platformers, Sonic's shittiness was straight-up sinister.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Pretty much. It's a shame people don't get called out on their bullshit more with this. Time after time people shit on the series make it pretty clear they haven't even touched a game in years. We're still seeing people refer to games like 2006 as "recent" for crying out loud. Like that shit is still common with the series. Sigh.
Professor Beef
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Everything after SA2 was great, aside from Sonic 06, Black Knight, and (arguably) Lost World.
Um...welcome to 7+ years ago?
I'm not the most optimistic guy about the Sonic franchise these days. Wasn't feeling Lost World and not excited for Boom either. But come on. The problems in the OP are obsolete. Chao Gardens have been dead forever, deep plots/realistic humans don't happen anymore, and Rouge rarely appears in games (much less is playable), and Big was retired quite some time ago.
At least know what the series is actually like now before bitching about it.
I'm not the most optimistic guy about the Sonic franchise these days. Wasn't feeling Lost World and not excited for Boom either. But come on. The problems in the OP are obsolete. Chao Gardens have been dead forever, deep plots/realistic humans don't happen anymore, and Rouge rarely appears in games (much less is playable), and Big was retired quite some time ago.
At least know what the series is actually like now before bitching about it.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Personally I wasn't a fan, but this I at least get why people liked. I'm going to assume that the majority of the love for SA2 is purely because of the chao garden.
Should I just post the list of other Sonic games that are less than great you probably expect to be posted in response, or should I wait for someone else to do that? :V
Mango The Magician
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If you're referring to the massive amount of fan-fics/disturbing pictures it's worth-noting Sonic isn't alone in that regarded, I run across plenty of Mario ones when just googling various mario games, same with Zelda, Crash and practically any popular video game.
Sonic 4 (both episodes) is one of the few Sonic games I've played, and IMO they're okay. Especially espisode 2. My favorites are Sonic 1 and CD, they feel like pure platformers with great music and settings.
They've gone for some really weird character design decisions lately.
He's all outta gum.
It was released where it needed to be.
Gamecube
Then the Xbox360 and Ps3
then the pc
And ps4 and xbone whenever they are ready along with crazy taxi or whatever
Eh , They are animals, the two animals look alike. Sure guy, also the imiplcation that being edgy or in this case having 1 more emotion than look " how fucking cool and blue i am " is some sort of bad thing for some reason. Also the implication that introducing one of the most popular characters into the series, is some how a bad thing.
As far as rouge goes, eh their anthroporphic, I dunno why she had to be sexy or whatever. But like everyone else she is a better character in the comics than in the games.
While I do not see that as implicitly bad, I don't like it. I also don't really like the old sonic setting either.
I think the comic books have it best, its animal people because animls. Why can't everything just adopt that, its literally free toy money.
Just look at the pony things, every time somebody is really feeling Background horse number 8 they release a toy and make bank. Seriously sega just do it.
If seen people not like a lot of popular things.
Professor Beef
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Wouldn't you know it, I have a list of just about every Sonic game released in the SonicGAF Community Thread OP. They can just pull from there, and we can logically explain why they may be incorrect, and they can go ahead and ignore the points we bring up until the next time a thread like this is made. :V
Succinct Verbosity
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I am currently running through generations and it's a pretty great game outside of the horrendous cut scenes that I insta-skip.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Unleashed was pretty crappy to be honest. It had good things going for it but the werehog stages were terrible, the medal collecting was awful and there were some serious design issues in general. When it was good it was gooooood. But when it was bad it was seriously bad, and that badness took up quite a large chunk of the game.
Also Sonic 4 sucks and Secret Rings was mediocre. But yes there have been a number of great games that came after SA2 such as the Advance games, the Rush games, Colours and Generations.
I wrote like 4000 words back in 2012 about why SA2 is and always has been kinda shit, if anyone wants perspective on why someone might say that.
People shit on the werehog, but honestly the werehog's gameplay wasn't that bad. It was baby's first GoW clone but it wasn't fundamentally broken or terribly made, the problem is the levels were too god damned long.
People shit on the werehog, but honestly the werehog's gameplay wasn't that bad. It was baby's first GoW clone but it wasn't fundamentally broken or terribly made, the problem is the levels were too god damned long.
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