Yeah, I think both have already cemented their status.
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Who's replacing these music legends?
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Yeah, I think both have already cemented their status.
GreatestHits
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Yes, Reznor, Maynard, there are a lot of people making extremely impactful music, using the artistic process. This shit doesn't make headlines until the die. A lot of you seem to be playing right along with the mainstream media as opposed to actually listening to the content
We can have a debate on the distinction between "pop star" and "artist", but someone like Beyonce will be pretty well revered when she passes someday. Her cultural imprint is pretty large.
I like Beyonce well enough, but I will never understand the cult-like idolatry that follows her. It is one of the modern era's most baffling mysteries.
Taylor Swift
what the hell is she doing?
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SlackAdjuster
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For me, within genres, it just feels like everything has been done and not just done but ran into the ground. Rap/hip hop / rock / metal / country. I rarely hear anything new out of any of those genres and when you do, it seems too far out of the box. I feel like this is a part of me just getting old but I also feel like it's true. I try to stay off the beaten path a little and whenever I turn on the radio for any reason, I feel like I just hear generic re-hashing of other songs.
Already Torn
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That is for sure you getting old. I think the same thing when I turn on Classic Rewind.
Escape Goat
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This is all subjective so it's all a feeling for me. But nothing Beyonce can do is nothing Jackson, Madonna, etc haven't done in their trailblazing careers. They were unique at a time when music was changing.
GreatestHits
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Beyonce is the winner of a popularity contest. She displays brazen confidence and contentedness with all the obvious things we think we want in life. If that is something you worship or just enjoy, that's great, but for a lot of us, life is quite a bit deeper and more nuanced than that, and so people like her just end up perpetuating more bullshit that has no value to our situations. Yet other artists spend a lot of time writing about these "deeper" sides of existence, and it yields an incredible response from fans, turning them into what we're talking about here.
As you can see, it is all subjective, but certain subjects resonate deeper, stronger and longer than others. And I think it's safe to say, this society respects deeper stronger and longer
ElectricBlanketFire
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Had to Google image search this one.
Ray Wonder
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me too,
It's some dude named Casey Crescenzo so the next person doesn't. Singer for The Dear Hunter and The Receiving End of Sirens.
we are VERY early in the history of mass-appealing music, as in, music that isn't volk or classical.
what has been happening in the last 60 or so years is unprecedented, uncharted territory. we can't possibly guess what will trascend the test of time.
Will Michael Jackson or Beatles be heard in, say 200 years after their deaths?
will history take care of putting artists in their right place?
it has happened with classical music for (at least) the last 300 years or so, we can just hope that modern pop-rock music works the same way.
what has been happening in the last 60 or so years is unprecedented, uncharted territory. we can't possibly guess what will trascend the test of time.
Will Michael Jackson or Beatles be heard in, say 200 years after their deaths?
will history take care of putting artists in their right place?
it has happened with classical music for (at least) the last 300 years or so, we can just hope that modern pop-rock music works the same way.
Ewwww
Coreda
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The 00s creep inconspicuously into each subsequent decade. There's plenty of good music today but the 20th century was a very significant period for music of all genres, including creating most of them.
SecretMoblin
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Rihanna has already replaced several of them, frankly.
GreatestHits
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Oh, how time will gracefully teach us all
So you don't actually have taste, you just wait for others to tell you what to listen to / who to value as an artist? Seems derivative.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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Thom Yorke replaces Bowie
Kanye replaces Prince
Gaga replaces George Michael
And the good thing is, that all the living replacements have already produced more truly great songs than the person who is no longer with us, and I'm saying that as a huge fan of all three of those who died.
Kanye replaces Prince
Gaga replaces George Michael
And the good thing is, that all the living replacements have already produced more truly great songs than the person who is no longer with us, and I'm saying that as a huge fan of all three of those who died.
DeadOnions
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As some have mentioned Kayne, Thom Yorke, Trent Reznor all fit the bill. The variety of music out there and how easy it is to find new artists/bands kinda of reduces the impact a single one can have anyway.
Killer Queen
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In your opinion sure.
WaffleTaco
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I don't think Trent Razor or Thom Yorke are household names.
I would say the current crop of legends are probably:
Beyoncé
Kanye West
Taylor Swift
maybe Drake
maybe Adele
And for bands maybe:
Adam Levine
Chris Martin
I would say the current crop of legends are probably:
Beyoncé
Kanye West
Taylor Swift
maybe Drake
maybe Adele
And for bands maybe:
Adam Levine
Chris Martin
Ray Wonder
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Everything about music preference is opinion, no notation necessary.
Coreda
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How are they even similar? Maybe if you only look at the Berlin period instrumentals or something.
Lol no way is Radiohead as good as Bowie
who's that and what's going on there???
GuitarAtomik
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Not totally but Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead pretty much are. Besides, I think it's not just about how popular they are and more about how they pushed music forward. They both fit that bill imo.
Now that I think about it, I'd add Bjork too (to current legendary status).
GreatestHits
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You can up-keep that facade as long as you want but you're fooling no one with statements like that, lol
Radiohead holds Aphex Twin at legend status. Here's what Aphex had to say about them:
Aphex twin (on Radiohead): "I donÂ’t like them. I heard maybe five or six tracks and I thought they sounded really really cheesy."
Lol
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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They aren't really similar. Radiohead just replaces, and, yes, surpasses Bowie. I'll take Paranoid Android over Ground Control to Major Tom, although, fortunately, I can still enjoy both.
It's not a facade. I grew up with Prince and Bowie songs. Wham I enjoyed, but wasn't as pervasive, but I still enjoyed it. Now, though, I'd rather listen to other artists than "Little Red Corvette" for the trillionth time.
Lol no
I dunno, some jackass pretending to be a DJ.
mysocksarepink
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Coreda
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You mean Space Oddity. Given the examples and comparison I can't honestly believe you're a 'huge fan' of Bowie. Sounds like you only listen to the radio output. Radiohead and Yorke are their own thing.
KurtSloane
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This.
GreatestHits
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I've heard of 'Snoop Dude'. Amazing, really
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
You know who else said that? Every person in their mid thirties ever.
I think one thing that people don't consider is that most people don't like most music. Most people don't like all genres, won't listen to a few, tolerate others, like some, and really only love a handful. And even within the genres they like, there's lots of music that doesn't speak to them and that they don't care about, and some that they hate.
Add to that there's a fairly limited window in which we find music that we really really love, which is somewhere between 13 years old and maybe 20 for most people. If you don't discover something within that window you're going to like it much less than you would have if you'd heard it during that time.
The most important thing to remember is that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not good. Everything is for someone, but nothing is for everyone.
Nobody. I'm 21 but even i can see that 70s,80s,90s and even 00s music is way better than what we have now. Such a shame imo hopefully it gets better as life goes on, otherwise there is enough stuff from those time periods for me.
Sure there is good stuff these days, but there is loads of crap music like Wii shovelware amount of bad.
Sure there is good stuff these days, but there is loads of crap music like Wii shovelware amount of bad.
great post :]
KurtSloane
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Or Kanye anywhere near Prince.
Gaga is nowhere near George Michael.
Just factually incorrect.
The Albatross
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From the perspective of "Is anybody going to make identical music to these legends...?" The answer is no.
But keep in mind, when Prince rose to pop-stardom in the mid 80s, some curmudgeon was complaining that pop music today is nothing like it was with Frankie Vally or that R&B wasn't what it was with The Drifters, Platters, etc., or what have you.
I think we're also looking back with rose colored glasses in thinking that every musician was considered a future classic when they were producing most of their best music. George Michael was panned when I was a kid. When Phil Collins dies, a generation of Brits and Americans will think "Wow, another legend..." but when I was a kid, I would have scoffed at Phil Collins being anything other than dentist waiting room music.
Times change, and some acts become legendary as time goes on and others are forgotten to time. If you asked this question 15, 20 years ago, I think there'd be a lot of legitimate surprise that NYSNC or the Backstreet Boys are an irrelevant novelty, or that Britney Spears is relegated to Vegas shows (not saying that's bad, but I think virtually everybody would see that as a career drop off).
But keep in mind, when Prince rose to pop-stardom in the mid 80s, some curmudgeon was complaining that pop music today is nothing like it was with Frankie Vally or that R&B wasn't what it was with The Drifters, Platters, etc., or what have you.
I think we're also looking back with rose colored glasses in thinking that every musician was considered a future classic when they were producing most of their best music. George Michael was panned when I was a kid. When Phil Collins dies, a generation of Brits and Americans will think "Wow, another legend..." but when I was a kid, I would have scoffed at Phil Collins being anything other than dentist waiting room music.
Times change, and some acts become legendary as time goes on and others are forgotten to time. If you asked this question 15, 20 years ago, I think there'd be a lot of legitimate surprise that NYSNC or the Backstreet Boys are an irrelevant novelty, or that Britney Spears is relegated to Vegas shows (not saying that's bad, but I think virtually everybody would see that as a career drop off).
GreatestHits
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I think people sometimes overestimate how popular some of these guys actually were during their creative peak.
Sometimes it takes longer to discover the legends. It probably takes longer without the exposure and the increased noise from everyone with a Macbook putting out music.
Was Leonard Cohen a legend and known in Middle America in 1970. Probably not.
David Bowie was a star who sold nowhere near the albums/records that other artists did until the 80s and MTV. The identity politics revolution is a thing people talk about after the fact.
People talk about how crazy great Lou Reed was and the Velvet Underground, but no one bought that record. Even less people knew who Lou Reed was than Bowie.
I think sometimes it takes longer for certain people to be discovered and appreciated as legends.
Michael Jackson was known. John Lennon and everyone in the orbit of the Beatles were legendary from the moment they stepped foot in America.
There is also another aspect in all this and how fickle the public is with icons or stars before they die. I feel as though once CDs hit, old MTV videos, and the internet became a thing, a lot of old less popular artists became more well known than they ever were during their time.
I think the same thing will happen with modern music. Some tastemaker will talk about how a certain artist bent identity politics, discovered new sounds, and attacked political strife and everyone will say how great the artist was at the same time.
I think this is how new recording stars will be born. Once they are old and dead enough to control and exploit. Everyone has pictures and videos of themselves now, so it will be incredibly easy to market.
Everyone that exists as a mega star now became a mega star in the last dying breaths of the recorded music promotion business.
Sometimes it takes longer to discover the legends. It probably takes longer without the exposure and the increased noise from everyone with a Macbook putting out music.
Was Leonard Cohen a legend and known in Middle America in 1970. Probably not.
David Bowie was a star who sold nowhere near the albums/records that other artists did until the 80s and MTV. The identity politics revolution is a thing people talk about after the fact.
People talk about how crazy great Lou Reed was and the Velvet Underground, but no one bought that record. Even less people knew who Lou Reed was than Bowie.
I think sometimes it takes longer for certain people to be discovered and appreciated as legends.
Michael Jackson was known. John Lennon and everyone in the orbit of the Beatles were legendary from the moment they stepped foot in America.
There is also another aspect in all this and how fickle the public is with icons or stars before they die. I feel as though once CDs hit, old MTV videos, and the internet became a thing, a lot of old less popular artists became more well known than they ever were during their time.
I think the same thing will happen with modern music. Some tastemaker will talk about how a certain artist bent identity politics, discovered new sounds, and attacked political strife and everyone will say how great the artist was at the same time.
I think this is how new recording stars will be born. Once they are old and dead enough to control and exploit. Everyone has pictures and videos of themselves now, so it will be incredibly easy to market.
Everyone that exists as a mega star now became a mega star in the last dying breaths of the recorded music promotion business.
Sevenfold
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He paid 3 quid for the app. He's a DJ.
And I don't think people understand how technology impacted all these stars. Without the invention of the electric guitar and feedback, multi-track recording equipment, the microphone, moog synthesizers, sampling machines. I think music follows technology more than anything else.
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