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[Deified Data]

So yeah, using the term "hero" with the Punisher is a bit of a stretch, but you know what I mean.

VS.

Both costumed vigilantes have tragic backstories in which their respective families are slain by mobsters and they vow revenge. Both vigilantes employ the use of fear and subterfuge to see criminal elements destroy themselves. Both vigilantes have a massive war chest (the Punisher has the collected funds of uncounted dead drug lords...his spending power is not to be underestimated), with a varied and powerful arsenal. But, both vigilantes have different philosophies when it comes to dealing with the criminal element.

The primary difference, as I see it, is that Bats prefers the non-lethal takedown, while Punisher is more than happy with a deadly outcome - that's his goal, in fact. Now, this isn't another "who would beat who?" argument, so much as it is a discussion of each vigilante's respective methods, and which are more effective in the long run.

Who do you think has the greater impact on crime?

 

[iddqd]

Batman's track record with the joker is not that great.
Frank Castle deals with things more permanent.

 

[Izick]

Batman

 

[ElFly]

Well, if we are talking about the comic versions, both are completely ineffective in their fight against crime. No matter how many criminals they kill/imprison, crime is still at super high levels.

But Batman has actively created a few villains, so I say that he is anti-effective.

Batman is an enabler.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Antihero is the term, yes.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Batman is borderline ineffective at any long-term change. He even makes things worse at times! The Punisher's results stick.

Punisher.

 

[jaxword]

Punisher's victims have a 0% recidivism rate.

Batman's victims have 100% recidivism, given enough time and inevitable jailbreak.

 

[Harry Potter]

The Bat. It's not close.

 

[Mister0079]

Batman's villains keep breaking out and committing more crime. The Punisher's villains are dead.

 

[OneEightZero]

Batman waivers.

Punisher delivers.

Now morally...

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Batman's villains keep breaking out and committing more crime. The Punisher's villains are dead.

And in many cases, they get out and make things WORSE. Batman basically eggs them on. With no fear of actual permanent reprisal, why not?

Punisher puts fear into people. Fear of death. That's an effective preventative measure.

 

[Deified Data]

The Bat. It's not close.

Could anyone saying Batman elaborate?

 

[BattleMonkey]

Gotham is such a safe place to live....

 

[EVIL]

punisher, less drama

 

[unknownhero]

give the punisher one day in gotham and I'm willing to bet that most of batman's rouge gallery won't be bothering gotham ever again.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Batman is a major douche about how Gotham is under his protection and doesn't want anyone else involved if he doesn't approve, yet it's one of the worst places to live in the DC universe

 

[Tom_Cody]

 

[ElFly]

Batman is borderline ineffective at any long-term change. He even makes things worse at times! The Punisher's results stick.

Um this is false? Whenever the punisher finishes a mafia gang or trafficking ring or whatever, another one just takes its places.

Punisher's results are completely empty.

 

[Aegus]

How many people would be alive if Batman killed the Joker within their first few encounters?

 

[FairyD]

I would say Punisher. Batman is cooler, but Punisher would be more effective in real life.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Um this is false? Whenever the punisher finishes a mafia gang or trafficking ring or whatever, another one just takes its places.

You do know the comic book named "The Punisher" needs that there are always criminals in existence so he can proceed with the aforementioned punishing, right?

 

[Mister0079]

Um this is false? Whenever the punisher finishes a mafia gang or trafficking ring or whatever, another one just takes its places.

Punisher's results are completely empty.

Well there won't be any more Punisher comics if there was nobody left. Batman's villains are the same people committing crime over and over and new ones here and there.

The Punisher tries to eliminate crime, Batman keeps the status quo.

 

[Deified Data]

Um this is false? Whenever the punisher finishes a mafia gang or trafficking ring or whatever, another one just takes its places.

Punisher's results are completely empty.

He recognizes this, which is why his work is never done.

Batman, on the other hand, seems perfectly content with letting the current generation of crime run rampant. And they know that the worst thing that could possibly happen to them is they go to prison and break out again in a month.

 

[Hagi]

Every Mafioso Punisher kills has like 15 brothers, sisters and aunts who take their place and vow to take revenge. I'd say they are both as effective in their respective areas just Franks methods are more permanent even if it does lead to a different kind of roundabout effect.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Punisher.

Batman is the typical child of privilege dressing up and pretending to be better than a pampered milksop, but is just indulging his narcissistic and pederast leanings in public.

 

[Amagon]

Punisher puts the work in.

 

[legacyzero]

Thomas Jane is still the best Punisher.

Come at me GAF.

EDIT: and yeah. PUNISHER is more effective. Batmans solution is always so tentative.

 

[SteveWD40]

The Punisher by a mile, although as Wolverine told him: there will always be a mob.

 

[Nokagi]

Punisher, at some point you have to weigh the life of the criminal vs all the lives he's just going to continue to take. Batman just keeps locking Joker away only to have to him break out and kill over and over..

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Thomas Jane is still the best Punisher.

Come at me GAF.

Most states have laws against coming at the severely mentally handicapped I'm afraid.

 

[Flame Lord]

Which ever one kills the villians (which I'm assuming is the punisher).

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Punisher.

Batman is the typical child of privilege dressing up and pretending to be better than a pampered milksop, but is just indulging his narcissistic and pederast leanings in public.

I was going to make a joke about Bats and Mad Hatter sharing photos of underage Batkids, but you did it better.

 

[legacyzero]

Most states have laws against coming at the severely mentally handicapped I'm afraid.

Tag quote lol

 

[Amakusa]

Batman's track record with the joker is not that great.
Frank Castle deals with things more permanent.

and the first post wins it again, I love some batman. But Frank takes the cake.. and eats it

 

[ElFly]

You do know the comic book named "The Punisher" needs that there are always criminals in existence so he can proceed with the aforementioned punishing, right?

So you are saying I am right.

If the Punisher went to Gotham, sure enough he'd kill most if not all the villain gallery of the batman -guess that Ra's al ghul can come back-, but other people would take their place soon enough, or just anonymous, regular mob crime would take over.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Whos in the punishers rogue gallery

Oh wait punisher doesnt have a rogues gallery

 

[ScreenSplitter]

The justification for letting Joker live outside of the "He's Batman's arch nemesis" IRL thing is getting weaker and weaker.

 

[LiK]

Punisher, you don't get another chance.

 

[GungHo]

The Punisher has far fewer issues with recidivism... similar to roads in the Ozarks and drunk drivers.

 

[jaxword]

Whos in the punishers rogue gallery

Oh wait punisher doesnt have a rogues gallery

There's Kingpin, who surrounds himself with enough men to keep from dying.

Jigsaw, who survives by luck, comic book magic, and suffering severe disfiguring injuries anyways.

Barracuda, who survives by just being a ridiculously huge and strong pile of muscle and violence.

Spoiler

Eventually even being shot in the face takes him down, though.

 

[Deified Data]

Whos in the punishers rogue gallery

Oh wait punisher doesnt have a rogues gallery

Castle doesn't have a rogue's gallery because he kills the vast majority of his foes before they can effectively be considered "regulars".

 

[Slayven]

Batman deep down doesn't want shit to get better. If Gotham crime levels dropped to Keystone levels, Batman would eat a gun.

 

[f0lken]

So you are saying I am right.

If the Punisher went to Gotham, sure enough he'd kill most if not all the villain gallery of the batman -guess that Ra's al ghul can come back-, but other people would take their place soon enough, or just anonymous, regular mob crime would take over.

Better than having the same mobs killing and terrorising people AND still letting other newcomer villians coming for their share

 

[Slayven]

It's funny DC went and created a city even worse then Gotham, then stick Nightwing in it.

 

[ElFly]

Castle doesn't have a rogue's gallery because he kills the vast majority of his foes before they can effectively be considered "regulars".

Villains in Marvel are not as rigidly categorized in rogue galleries as in DC.

The Punisher regularly fights the Kingpin -who is also a Spider-man villain and a Daredevil villain-, has fought Dr Doom -FF and Avengers villain- and tons of other hero's villains.

Yet he has failed to kill them.

So basically when he is trying to clean up say new york, the green goblin is still around ruining Spider-man's live.

The "Punisher doesn't have a rogue gallery" argument is moot. There are still a fuckton of well known super villains in the very same cities the Punisher operates. Just the punisher doesn't deem them worth of punishiment because ???

At least Batman doesn't have a Flash villain operating from Gotham and saying "hey he is Flash's problem, sorry".

 

[Log4Girlz]

I sympathize with Punisher.

 

[lethial]

The Punisher kills bad guys so he doesn't have to fight them 100000000 times like Batman does. I always wondered if Batman got bored of going after the same villains over and over, I mean, did he ever have any meetings with Arkhams security team about break outs and shit? Seriously they need to get their shit together.

 

[Slayven]

Villains in Marvel are not as rigidly categorized in rogue galleries as in DC.

The Punisher regularly fights the Kingpin -who is also a Spider-man villain and a Daredevil villain-, has fought Dr Doom -FF and Avengers villain- and tons of other hero's villains.

Yet he has failed to kill them.

So basically when he is trying to clean up say new york, the green goblin is still around ruining Spider-man's live.

The "Punisher doesn't have a rogue gallery" argument is moot. There are still a fuckton of well known super villains in the very same cities the Punisher operates. Just the punisher doesn't deem them worth of punishiment because ???

At least Batman doesn't have a Flash villain operating from Gotham and saying "hey he is Flash's problem, sorry".

Punisher cleans the up the chumps, while bigger fish handle the bigger fish.

 

[Parch]

Batman works with the police, not against them. Batman inspires the public, not frightens them.

Fiction aside: Batman is much more effective at selling books.

 

[ElFly]

Punisher cleans the up the chumps, while bigger fish handle the bigger fish.

I'll give you Dr Doom, but Green Goblin and the Kingpin?