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A game like Uncharted 4 is basically aliasing-free and not blurry.

I know, Naughty Dog are incredible in the technical department, but the point is clear - the (original) PS4 has enough horsepower to create a complete package that has absolutely no parallel, be it on consoles or PC, be it at 1080p or 4k. This game obliterates everything else in the graphics department. Which only makes me think that new hardware right now is a) brute forcing performance and b) cash. I wonder what would happen if Naughty Dog somehow could license U4's engine and development tools to other companies. I mean, Jesus, the jeep sections look better than most racing games out there.

Seriously, for the hardcore PC gamers that are in denial, play the game. Please. I have a GTX 980ti and an i5 6600k, I've tried every single graphically demanding game on it, and a few come close, (Crysis 3 maxed @ 4k), but Uncharted's 4 art direction blows it out of the water.

This isn't hyperbole guys. This is the most impressive game EVER released, and I believe it's going to stay like that for a while.
 
Maybe because people dont just play 1 game over and over again?

Just because Uncharted 4 and The Order look great, doesnt mean I can play FC4, Crysis 3, AC maxed on a PC while the console versions still look inferior.
 
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This game does look very good.

Can we stop saying it "obliterates" everything as if that is an objective metric by which we can measure how good a game looks? Thanks.
 
Because I can use a 1080 to play the games I actually want to play at higher fidelity and/or performance.

I'd have thought that obvious.
 
Because sometimes brute forcing a problem is the easiest way to solve it.

Not every studio has the money or technical skill of Naughty Dog. If you increase the base power of the components in a machine, then even 1-man indie teams can get a performance boost out of it without having to jump through an extreme amount of programming loopholes, which is how I assume Naughty Dog manage to get such impressive results out of the PS4.
 
It is total hyperbole. 1080p is 1080p, and ND can't do nothing about that. I've played the game, and it has plenty of blur to it. It has a decent AA solution, but there's no doubt it would look even better at higher res and FPS.
 
Hyperbole, the thread.
No, there are better looking games, tech wise, than Uncharted 4 on PC. No, Uncharted 4 IQ isn't perfect. Clean, but not perfect.
Also, some people prefer 60fps.
 
felipepl said:
Yup. I'm playing on a 4k TV. Completely fine.
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No I think they are confused because when the hell would it be blurry? Most decent 4k TV's up scaling engines are not going to result in blurry picture.

Also no. I'm playing it, it's gorgeous but no parallel? that's entirely subjective.
 
You pretty much answered your own question. Naughty Dog's art direction is what lets them get absolute magic out of Sony's boxes. It's extreme artistic talent, blended with top-notch technical staffing.

Not every studio has that sort of talent at the ready.

And as good as UC4 looks, it could certainly still improve.
 
To hopefully make incredible games look MIND-BLOWING by giving it the extra ommph to add in more effects! Kinda like adding hot fudge and chocolate sauce to an already delicious ice cream sundae!
After watching the Digital Foundry technical analysis video I would love to see improved shadows and 60fps!
That is all I can think of as I think that this is one of the nicest looking games ever made, from a artistic and technical standpoint!
Naughty Gods indeed!
 
felipepl said:
Yup. I'm playing on a 4k TV. Completely fine.
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It looks great but you can still see the pixels at 1080p and 4K is truly on another level, and I only have a 55" TV albeit OLED and UHD. I would suggest that if you were used to 4K gaming you would definitely see 1080p as a step back.

There's nothing wrong with wanting more. Not every developer is ND nor does every game have the budget to allow for the graphics design, coding and optimisation that UC4 will have gone through.

Not to mention that other games cry out for 60fps (FPS, racing, action), whereas Uncharted is quite cinematic in scope and gameplay and doesn't demand it as much as some other games.

Personally I'm glad that graphics technology keeps progressing in terms of brute performance. It's just a shame we haven't seen a radical change to the foundations of the way computer graphics work.
 
Durante said:
Because I can use a 1080 to play the games I actually want to play at higher fidelity and/or performance.

I'd have thought that obvious.
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I think you're missing my point here. I'm not saying that Uncharted is the best game ever and that you don't need to play anything else.
 
felipepl said:
A game like Uncharted 4 is basically aliasing-free and not blurry.

I know, Naughty Dog are incredible in the technical department, but the point is clear - the (original) PS4 has enough horsepower to create a complete package that has absolutely no parallel, be it on consoles or PC, be it at 1080p or 4k. This game obliterates everything else in the graphics department. Which only makes me think that new hardware right now is a) brute forcing performance and b) cash. I wonder what would happen if Naughty Dog somehow could license U4's engine and development tools to other companies. I mean, Jesus, the jeep sections look better than most racing games out there.

Seriously, for the hardcore PC gamers that are in denial, play the game. Please. I have a GTX 980ti and an i5 6600k, I've tried every single graphically demanding game on it, and a few come close, (Crysis 3 maxed @ 4k), but Uncharted's 4 art direction blows it out of the water.

This isn't hyperbole guys. This is the most impressive game EVER released, and I believe it's going to stay like that for a while.
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UC4 looks great, but it does look blurry (especially on faces at normal viewing distance) and there are still jaggies (however minimal)
 
that's because of insane artists, programmers, engineers etc

Not every dev has the benefit of a ridiculous talent/skill pool a studio like ND has + the ICE team.
Not to mention the security from being a first party studio that only has to develop for one platform and obviously the backing from Sony, budget wise.

I agree that UC4 is the best looking game made, but you do realize that the scope and priorities of the game aids that right? it's much bigger than past UC games but try pulling of that level of fidelity or asset quality in an open world game? or a racer that has to be 60fps?

cmon man chil with the hyperbole

edit: and of course, it is a fact, that uncharted would look better on better hardware.
 
480p was enough for me in PS2 times playing KH, FFX, XII, Jak... And I thought it looked awesome.

The fact that U4 looks great in PS4 doesn't mean games can't look better. In a few years we will look back at this gen and say "wtf was wrong with those graphics".
 
felipepl said:
Seriously, for the hardcore PC gamers that are in denial, play the game. Please. I have a GTX 980ti and an i5 6600k, I've tried every single graphically demanding game on it, and a few come close, (Crysis 3 maxed @ 4k), but Uncharted's 4 art direction blows it out of the water.
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But art direction =/= graphic horsepower. With that PC you could run U4.... at 60 FPS.
 
Well I can agree that GPU's don't make up for art direction and mo-cap. But then there are upcoming projects like Star Citizen which should hopefully pave the way for next gen graphics and utilize new hardware
 
PS4 is plenty capable machine, we have three of the most stunning games visually exclusively on it, 1886, DC and U4..just don't believe the constant degrade of the consoles you read on the internet..

About Neo, GTX1080, these products are offered for people who are willing to boost the performance even further, it doesn't mean PS4 or Gtx 970 are weak.
 
felipepl said:
I think you're missing my point here. I'm not saying that Uncharted is the best game ever and that you don't need to play anything else.
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No, you're saying it's the best looking game ever and wonder what's the point of 4k, NEO or GTX1080.
First, no, it's not the best looking game ever. It looks insane, sure, but there are better looking games in term of strict tech.
Second, it's because horsepower and resolution gets a boost that games keeps looking better and better.

The whole question of the thread is flawed. I mean basically, you should have just said "Uncharted 4 is the best looking game ever" on the title, because that's basically what your thread is about.

A lot of your reasoning is flawed: The comparison to racing games is flawed and stupid. Racing games deals with AI, more high poly count car models, physics even meteo.
 
I thought the 60fps option on The Last Of Us remastered looked really, really nice, however didn't it sacrifice some of the more detailed shadow effects as a trade-off?
Now if U4 on the Neo could keep both with no loss in quality then I'd be all in!
 
felipepl said:
I think you're missing my point here. I'm not saying that Uncharted is the best game ever and that you don't need to play anything else.
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Then what is your point? If Uncharted is not the best game ever and there are games you may want to play, then the answer is simple: to play other and better games with a higher image fidelity and better performance. That is exactly why people want better hardware.

I honestly don't see the reason for this topic, other than "a PS4 game looks better than anything on PC, take that hardcore PC gamers!".
 
dude, i dont think 4k is even close to the best use of excess rendering power, but youre just wrong. upscaling 1080p to 4k is blurry. also, while U4 does have great IQ, a native 4k game is absolutely going to look sharper/have more clarity
 
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