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Why are Europeans so much more racists than Americans?
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maniac-kun
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Thats the Netherlands. Europe is not a country.
wait this changes everything
benjipwns
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Like I'm just going to believe some racist when he says he isn't one.
Yeah. Threads like this don't make any sense most of the time. Speaking about Europe like that is pretty much like speaking about the entire American continent as being one country. There are large differences between all the countries that make up Europe.
Man I wish. I've been here legally for 19 years and they still won't give me my citizenship. About a decade ago my grandfather said fuck it and moved to Spain where he and his wife got citizenship in like two years.
I always thought about doing that, a Spaniard passport would be nice.
Devolution
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I dunno but Roma threads are pretty scary.
benjipwns
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It's kinda the same way to talk about the United States and Canada as a whole. Oregon is not Quebec is not Alabama is not Maine.
I don't know, a country like Singapore challenges the notion only white/Anglo countries can build a nation with a common nationality instead of an ethnicity. Also remember, those Anglo nations had the benefit of industrialization and colonization.
I dont think he considered being Anglo a requirement, just a trend so far.
It's even worse. The US and Canada at least share the same language (bar Québec).
I don't know about Switzerland but the UK has been great.
benjipwns
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I don't disagree but just trying to discern the "culture" of the U.S. by looking at either San Francisco or Mobile, Alabama has many of the same problems as trying to asses Europe via Paris or Prague.
Birds will follow roads and walls in flight, so clearly we need to build massive walls around all nations so that birds will recognize our differences.
We cannot allow such brazen mockery of national and state boundaries.
They should wear it for Halloween instead like Americans do.
benjipwns
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Violating our air space constantly and what do we do? NOTHING! WE EVEN GIVE THEM HANDOUTS!
Well, aside from occasionally chopping them up with windmills and plane engines.
It's not like that at all.
Nikodemos
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No. When birds look down all they see is toilet, toilet as far as the eye can see.
Sternsinger. Then again, stopping that would be actually racist, so...
Blackface has no deeper meaning in Europe to begin with, there's no white guilt in large parts of Europe. We don't do it to mock blacks, we do it because we usually don't have black actors to play certain roles. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion - the only alternative would be whitewashing the characters after all.
Glass Rebel
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benjipwns
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I already acknowledged the differences that Arksy intelligently pointed out, but to take any single cultural factor from West Virginia and apply it as "American culture" is no different than ascribing Zwarte Piet to all of Europe.
A family member lives in Ireland, and while it's not tradition over there, it's acceptable for people to wear blackface as well.
It's not acceptable in the US because it was used to mock blacks over there. We had no black slaves or racial segregation. Different perspective.
ReplacementPelican
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Well for a start you're comparing a nation to a continent so you're doomed to fail.
Also, I don't think you're right.
I mean, in the US aren't all of your awful schools in 'black areas'? You can also kill black kids in self defense and get away with it, you can't with white kids, can you? I've also seen a lot of videos of American police abusing black people. I'm pretty sure institutionalized racism is much, much worse in America and I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about.
Once again though, some European countries are racist but why are you comparing a continent to a country? You're aware that almost all of our cultures are more different to each other than, for instance, the UK is to the US.
benjipwns
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In Europe?
I don't know about that.
And even if Ireland didn't have black slaves, there could be many arguments made that the Irish were slaves to the English in some capacity for a very long time. It'd be difficult to justify wearing blackface given those circumstances as well as understanding the meaning of blackface after Birth of a Nation.
Yep.
Now you know. And I'm really not sure what past Irish-English relationships are supposed to have to do with anything. Blackface per se is no symbol for slavery.
Glass Rebel
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About the whole "Europeans say niggah thing", in Dutch (Belgian) the word 'nikker' means 'nigger' while the word 'neger' means 'negro'.
Thing is that a lot of people still say 'neger', I've never heard anyone say 'nikker' in my life. But because of English influence, both words seemed to have got the same connotation.
Thing is that a lot of people still say 'neger', I've never heard anyone say 'nikker' in my life. But because of English influence, both words seemed to have got the same connotation.
MidgarBlowedUp
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Some of us white people in the usa, the scotch Irish, also arose from slavery. My ancestry is both native American and scotch Irish. I've been to Italy and manyAfricans, are selling trinkets and knock off handbags on the streets. It's pretty messed up because I think many of them are working for someone else, they aren't really doing it by choice.
Jews are not a race. That was also only a short era in a single country, though religious segregation was a thing in many European countries over centuries.
benjipwns
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No. They're in poor areas.
http://www.humanityinaction.org/kno...netherlands-segregation-in-a-tolerant-society
You can kill white people in self defense too, yes. And asians and robots and anybody but police really.
There's lots of whites abused too, it's not a racism thing as much as it's a serfs and lords thing.
The disproportionate impact of the War on Drugs and War on Poverty on blacks is more due to their being given a bad hand to start with not out of the state's intentions.
Really? No racial and ethnic segregation ever in all of Europe huh?
Come on, son.
Blackface is not directly a symbol for slavery. It's a symbol of racism. While it's not a black and white issue between the English and Irish, it certainly is an issue of one side historically feeling superior to another. It's the same case with blacks and whites in America. It's nearly been 100 years since Birth of a Nation. Western educated people should understand the significance of blackface by this point.
I don't know about more racist, but I can take a stab at why we there's been a lot of racism historically.
The identity formation process of Europe since early medieval times has been in opposition to someone else. The most extensive and widespread identity Europe possessed was Christendom and so Europe for a long time was defined in contrast to Islam. This was still present, but lost much of its significance after the Reconquista and final exile of a Muslim presence in western Europe. By then, religious differences had been tearing Europe apart as well with the Reformation, exodus of jews in Europe, religious wars, and ultimately the Peace of Westphalia, which gave Europe national recognition and some semblance of respect for other countries' religions.
You can see a lot of parallels in 19th century (Westernization and) Orientalism, the western justification for colonialism. Plainly put, the Oriental was supposedly uneducated and didn't know what was best for them.
The Jews have sadly been a historical scapegoat. They are not Christians, but they're very similar and belong to the same religious tradition. Freud explains it well when he talks about the narcissism of minor differences. The most minor differences are blown up and caricatured (Jewish monsters, child eating, depersonification) as a justification for mistreating them and at the same time creating cohesion among those who are not them, usually for some political agenda.
Huguenots, the Morescos, Jews, Muslims, Orientals, and many more different European minorities have been attacked in the homogenization of Europe. The persecution of minorities has been an essential part of European identity formation and it continues all the way up to the 20th century nationalism. Whether it's the case nowadays, that's hard to tell without resorting to anecdotal evidence, but for a recent example of the narcissism of minor differences at work, just look at Ukraine, the Ukrainian population and what's happening to the Russians among them as well as vice versa. It's really sad.
The identity formation process of Europe since early medieval times has been in opposition to someone else. The most extensive and widespread identity Europe possessed was Christendom and so Europe for a long time was defined in contrast to Islam. This was still present, but lost much of its significance after the Reconquista and final exile of a Muslim presence in western Europe. By then, religious differences had been tearing Europe apart as well with the Reformation, exodus of jews in Europe, religious wars, and ultimately the Peace of Westphalia, which gave Europe national recognition and some semblance of respect for other countries' religions.
You can see a lot of parallels in 19th century (Westernization and) Orientalism, the western justification for colonialism. Plainly put, the Oriental was supposedly uneducated and didn't know what was best for them.
The Jews have sadly been a historical scapegoat. They are not Christians, but they're very similar and belong to the same religious tradition. Freud explains it well when he talks about the narcissism of minor differences. The most minor differences are blown up and caricatured (Jewish monsters, child eating, depersonification) as a justification for mistreating them and at the same time creating cohesion among those who are not them, usually for some political agenda.
Huguenots, the Morescos, Jews, Muslims, Orientals, and many more different European minorities have been attacked in the homogenization of Europe. The persecution of minorities has been an essential part of European identity formation and it continues all the way up to the 20th century nationalism. Whether it's the case nowadays, that's hard to tell without resorting to anecdotal evidence, but for a recent example of the narcissism of minor differences at work, just look at Ukraine, the Ukrainian population and what's happening to the Russians among them as well as vice versa. It's really sad.
ReplacementPelican
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The Marxists have crawled out!
Remind me again what the racial numbers are behind Stand Your Ground laws? Are you really going to tell me that race doesn't seem to be an issue when it comes to the judicial system?
Once again though, do these 'poor areas' happen to be areas with large African-American populations thus getting them stuck in the trap of poverty? I'm not saying it doesn't happen to white people.
Also, I still think the thread is ridiculous for trying to compare an entire continent because I keep seeing one nation mentioned for this, another for something else whereas most of the continent seems ignored for these arguments.
I thought he was specifically referring to Ireland in response to a comment about blackface.
No, it's not. The difference in attitude between Alabama and Maine is what you'll normally find in any country. You could say the same about the nothern and southern Germany. But take Europe as a whole and you'll find far, far more diversity in Europe than in the US for the simple reason is that we're talking about a total of fifty countries where more than 700 million people speak dozens of different languages. Each country in Europe has a 2000 year history and culture. It's nonsense to make blanket statements about racist Europeans by pointing to a picture of Zwarte Piet while ignoring that only 20 million people out of 700 million will know who the fuck Zwarte Piet is - and also ignoring the fact that any American will simply don't understand the concept of Zwarte Piet/Sinterklaas and only respond to what they do recognize: blackface.
benjipwns
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I think the existence of ethnic political parties is one place to start.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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How accurate is this opinion?
Would America as it is even exist without hardcore racism?
Europe (aka a continent composed of many countries) seems like it might
Would America as it is even exist without hardcore racism?
Europe (aka a continent composed of many countries) seems like it might
In some capacity? The Irish were sold as slaves by the English, brah.
We don't have Klu Klux Klan so no, we aren't.
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