SliceSabre
Banned
Teach me your ways sensei. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Every time I hear more SMT stuff my mind goes back to how I've yet to play that game.
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Why are SMT fans soo divisive?
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Yeah it's definitely worth a shot, I just bought the DS version as it was a limited edition, but since the 3DS version went off the radar I decided to give it a shot. Again, its the same great formula but it was pretty much the same I couldn't really be bothered a second time. Highly recommend it for first time players though.
cj_iwakura
Member
It's the gap between P3/P4 fans and core SMT/P1&P2 fans, but it really isn't all that big a divide. The communities coincide more often than not, there's just a few silly geese(like in any community) who try to act like there's this big gap between the two.
Still, it does kind of sting to see the newer fans tell people the older games suck, but c'est la vie.
Still, it does kind of sting to see the newer fans tell people the older games suck, but c'est la vie.
Probably because we havent really gotten a mainline game quite like Nocturne since Nocturne (I'd say DDS, which came out around the same time, feels the closest to me).
Also because Nocturne's setting and style is amazing.
I just kinda want this
against this
It's not like KH, but Raidou is an action RPG and the second game is great.
Leafhopper
Banned
Since this is damn near a SMT general. I wanted to mention that I started DDS like 2 days ago and it feels different, like really different. Doesn't feel like a nocturne or a Persona 1 or 2 or a Persona 3 or 4. Yeah the sentiment of it feeling like "the final fantasy" of SMT games seems about right. Hopefully I like it and keep playing it.
All SMT fans can agree that this is the best demon.
Correct.
And that diva demon from Persona 2
RSLAEV
Member
Who wouldn't get frustrated if their favorite franchise had a bucket of Visual Novel tropes dumped on it and all of a sudden all these young people are calling themselves fans and talking about waifus and husbandos?
Personally I just cannot play Persona 3 or 4, but I'm glad that it brought Atlus so much success because that means more games and more re-releases and that's good for everyone.
Personally I just cannot play Persona 3 or 4, but I'm glad that it brought Atlus so much success because that means more games and more re-releases and that's good for everyone.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
That's something we can agree on.
I have a HUGE backlog of JRPGs and there's the chance that we might get a better version of DS2 eventually, that's more than enough to keep me from going insane.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
I like horror themed fantasy with challenging but rewarding combat.
I hate dating sims, school settings, and modern anime tropes.
Guess which games I like and dislike.
I hate dating sims, school settings, and modern anime tropes.
Guess which games I like and dislike.
Leafhopper
Banned
Well that's good to hear, I been meaning to play it for years so am giving it a fair chance, it seems good so far. I am not too far though.
skLaFarebear
Member
Because whenever a conversation about Persona comes up, it usually ends up being a waifu war and "who's best girl" competition
Persona will never really be a problem though until Atlus decides to forget that the rest of the SMT franchise does actually exist. Hopefully this engine that P5 will run on will also set the ground for new SMT games.
, its Maya.
Persona will never really be a problem though until Atlus decides to forget that the rest of the SMT franchise does actually exist. Hopefully this engine that P5 will run on will also set the ground for new SMT games.
UltraGunner
Banned
I love mainline SMT and Persona, but I understand why SMT fans are not too hot on Persona. Instead of a massive storyline with heavy moralistic choices it has a character centric storyline that's more "anime" than SMT. It's popularity also is of concern to fans for fear of it overshadowing the mainline series. This year having 4 Persona games, a movie series, a new anime, two stage productions, its annual concert, and a shit ton of merchandise does nothing to alleviate the concern
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
No.
All SMT fans can agree that this is the best demon.
bobawesome
Member
SMT fans are afraid that the series will become more like the later Persona games.
E_Darkness
Member
Seeing as someone else said it, I recently finished Digital Devil Saga 1, I fucking loved it. Probably my favourite SMT I've played. So much so I picked up the newly english translated and released Avatar Tuner vol 1 book (which is pretty much the first half of DDS1 I think? It diverts from the games at the end of it I hear).
I've got DDS2 on my shelf waiting to be played. After I've read the book I'm going to play DDS2. I wanted a break just incase I didn't like DDS2 due to being burnt out. I'm going to be happy moving on from a 50Hz PS2 game to a game with an option of 60Hz <3
I've got DDS2 on my shelf waiting to be played. After I've read the book I'm going to play DDS2. I wanted a break just incase I didn't like DDS2 due to being burnt out. I'm going to be happy moving on from a 50Hz PS2 game to a game with an option of 60Hz <3
They've already forgotten that P1 and P2 exist and those were the ones that resembled past SMT gameplay.
In terms of utilizing Persona 5's engine, I'm not saying it can't happen but that engine was probably meant for internal use by Atlus's P studio and therefore will probably only be for Persona games.
If they follow the pattern they have in the past (hypothetically) Persona 6 should be on the same engine as P5.
(Also when was the last time a mainline SMT game was on console? Devil Summoner 2?)
Mostly because they offer, at first glance, different tones.
Persona 3, 4 and related spinoffs (And to a very lesser extent, Persona 1 and 2) have an air of a generic shoen manga with the concepts of the characters being middle school-aged/having their social lives revolving around school, the "Dating Sim" elements and the fact that the characters can have their own special monsters/summons that you can't get otherwise, giving it a vibe of a series like Digimon. (With a bit more of a "mature/serious" look to them.
SMT 3,4, and related spinoffs (Strange Journey) (However, 1 and 2 fall into the former category in some senses) have a different air, with characters being more mature, no real "sim" elements and having every demon obtainable by all. However, this is a bit false, as the tones of both series can intermingle at times. SMT4 had bare bones plot and character development, compared to Persona 4 in which had a deeper sense of what it wanted to do, plot/character wise.
Plus, bear in mind that there are multiple variations of the main series appealing to different age ranges. Demikids/DevilChildren appeals to a decidedly younger sect, while Devil Summoner could be seen as a bridge between the Persona and SMT series in tone. This isn't even getting into single game spinoff series, like Last Bible and Jack Bros.
So it's mostly because the games try and wedge themselves into a premade pit of first impressions.
Persona 3, 4 and related spinoffs (And to a very lesser extent, Persona 1 and 2) have an air of a generic shoen manga with the concepts of the characters being middle school-aged/having their social lives revolving around school, the "Dating Sim" elements and the fact that the characters can have their own special monsters/summons that you can't get otherwise, giving it a vibe of a series like Digimon. (With a bit more of a "mature/serious" look to them.
SMT 3,4, and related spinoffs (Strange Journey) (However, 1 and 2 fall into the former category in some senses) have a different air, with characters being more mature, no real "sim" elements and having every demon obtainable by all. However, this is a bit false, as the tones of both series can intermingle at times. SMT4 had bare bones plot and character development, compared to Persona 4 in which had a deeper sense of what it wanted to do, plot/character wise.
Plus, bear in mind that there are multiple variations of the main series appealing to different age ranges. Demikids/DevilChildren appeals to a decidedly younger sect, while Devil Summoner could be seen as a bridge between the Persona and SMT series in tone. This isn't even getting into single game spinoff series, like Last Bible and Jack Bros.
So it's mostly because the games try and wedge themselves into a premade pit of first impressions.
If you mean main mainline, then Nocturne.
Truth be told, I don't mind if SMT4 represents a shift to where we get more traditional MegaTen games for portable systems. At least if that just means we get Untold style remakes of MT1, 2, SMT1, 2, and If...
Chie Satonaka
Member
I hate to junp into the waifu wars...
Okay, I really don't.
and I'm saying this as a lifelong Chie fan.
Anyway MegaTen is great, and I wanted to double dip for Break Record too, but alas.
I should probably pick up Overclocked at some point. It's probably been long enough to do a Devil Survivor replay.
Okay, I really don't.
But seriously. The Valentines scene with Rise and Protag in P4G was easily the best out of all of them. It was goddamned adorable,
Anyway MegaTen is great, and I wanted to double dip for Break Record too, but alas.
I should probably pick up Overclocked at some point. It's probably been long enough to do a Devil Survivor replay.
flatearthpandas
Member
Nocturne.
As much as I would love some console SMT, another game on the PS3 seems less than exciting, considering how late in the system's life even P5 is coming. Hopefully it ports well to PS4 or Wii U. There's also the possibility of SMTxFE's engine being usable, since Atlus is the dev and the game is confirmed alive as of e3.
Of course, it remains to be seen if we'd even want more games on either engine. If both/either look at least as good as Catherine, then I at least would love more games on them. PS3 is my only hang-up.
Are you saying Final Fantasy games are more similar to each other than SMT?
DidntKnowJack
Member
Because nerds argue about the dumbest shit. It's tantamount to those inane "which fictional character would win in a fight" disputes. Guess what, neither one would win, they're fictional characters. Now shut up and gimme your lunch money.
Where were you when the waifu wars of 2014 went down? Those were dark times, my friend. Dark times indeed.
Oh my god.
Persona 3/4 are very different to SMT and its many other spinoffs.
I won't get into it too much, but there is a very vocal minority of Persona fans who annoy me for a variety of reasons.
And there's the part where I consider P3/4 bad games. I hope Atlus doesn't decide to continue milking Persona to the point of drowning out their other, mostly better, games. Persona 4 improved over 3 though, so who knows maybe P5 will be a good this time.
Strange Journey isn't a spinoff. It is an unnumbered mainline entry.
Which reminds me, another problem I have is with Atlus USA marking everything SMT. It has caused all sorts of confusion problems, the worst being when reviewers go into the mainline games expecting waifus, anime, and social links.
I won't get into it too much, but there is a very vocal minority of Persona fans who annoy me for a variety of reasons.
And there's the part where I consider P3/4 bad games. I hope Atlus doesn't decide to continue milking Persona to the point of drowning out their other, mostly better, games. Persona 4 improved over 3 though, so who knows maybe P5 will be a good this time.
Strange Journey isn't a spinoff. It is an unnumbered mainline entry.
Which reminds me, another problem I have is with Atlus USA marking everything SMT. It has caused all sorts of confusion problems, the worst being when reviewers go into the mainline games expecting waifus, anime, and social links.
I think you nailed it.
skLaFarebear
Member
They can't forget something that they didn't even know existed. I've talked to "huge" persona fans who don't even know the difference between Persona 2: Innocent Sin and Persona 2: Eternal Punishment.
Also, I'm just kinda hoping they do what they did for Nocturne and just make spin off SMT games on that engine. Atlus clearly has shown they have no problems with making SMT games on outdated consoles, so it'd be really cool to see what those games would like even on a ps3.
But I'm content with my handheld SMT games as long as they're as quality as SMT4 and DS:Overclocked.
All fighting games are the same, since you use arms and legs to fight.
Because people to tend to generalize and think that one game represents the whole genre; if the game doesn't have the same traits, the game is penalized for it. For example, when a reviewer expects the same character development in SMTIV that is in Persona 4 (Golden). While I don't put too much stock into review scores, I feel that they deter other people from playing a game like SMTIV which has much going for it.
You could make the same plot/character development comparison of P3 and Nocturne. Or for P3/P4 and Strange Journey. Not sure why you singled out SMT IV.
You could make the same plot/character development comparison of P3 and Nocturne. Or for P3/P4 and Strange Journey. Not sure why you singled out SMT IV.
bobawesome
Member
I see it every now and then in threads pertaining to Persona 4. It's usually only a handful of posters, though.
CaptainBroseph
Member
Persona 1 is dope. Where else can I nuke demons into obliteration? Raidou is probably my favorite SMT game, just because it's action.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Persona 3 is but you were close
OP just ignore the stupid elitism. Persona is casual is one of the funniest things I've heard in some time.
sixteen-bit
Member
Sounds more like a megaten fan issue than an SMT fan one
Z..
Member
The dating sim aspect sucks because all persona girls are designed to please insecure men. They're poorly written, one dimentional and underdeveloped. Only animu fans (I am one, but a harsh critic) would think these are good characters.
They're all terrible. That's why it sucks as a dating sim. It should be noted I don't think a "good" dating sim can e er exist. The audience prevents it.
That said, Persona games are still all kinds of awesome.
They're all terrible. That's why it sucks as a dating sim. It should be noted I don't think a "good" dating sim can e er exist. The audience prevents it.
That said, Persona games are still all kinds of awesome.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Ok, hear me out for a second:
I've noticed that some feel the need to have a schism or even provoke disputation as a means of:
I've noticed that some feel the need to have a schism or even provoke disputation as a means of:
- establishing a sense of superiority
- defining the etic/emic group
I think that's the main reason.
Person since 3 and other SMT games have a very different focus. It's a bit sad that, through the popularity of Persona 3/4, most of the talks about the series is around the waifu/social links.
And as someone else also mentioned, some might fear that Atlus will completely abandon every thing not Persona related, or at least not put much effort in it. Nocturne was a beautifull console game; now most of Atlus games are on handheld.
Is the fanbase really any different than any other fandom when it comes to this sort of thing? Fallout, Resident Evil, Bioware RPGs, etc--there are a lot of fanbases in gaming that have "old vs. new" or "us vs. them" community about them.
Think about music, and the whole mentality of "this band was cool before everyone else started listening to them". A lot of the disdain comes from people using the things they like as a means to define themselves, the more niche or obscure something is the more people use it as a means to create their identity. SMT generally is more difficult and complex than Persona 3/4, or more to the point the mechanics of both are very similar--but one is just more complex when it comes to those mechanics. More than that though, Persona 3/4 is much more popular than SMT as a whole while also taking that particular spin off series in a far different direction than the rest of SMT--the band sold out, so to speak. Where you're going to have disparity in difficulty, mechanics, and most importantly popularity--you're going to have a fanbase that condemns one side of it because it's no longer a thing that they use to define themselves.
At the end of the day, if you feel the need to flaunt the fact that you played a tough videogame as a sort of badge of superiority, then you're probably an unhappy person to begin with.
The funny part is, I'm willing to bet when Persona 5 comes out that it'll bring in a lot of new fans and you'll probably see a lot of P3/4 fans treat fans of that game the same way SMT fans try to treat them. It's a never ending cycle.
Think about music, and the whole mentality of "this band was cool before everyone else started listening to them". A lot of the disdain comes from people using the things they like as a means to define themselves, the more niche or obscure something is the more people use it as a means to create their identity. SMT generally is more difficult and complex than Persona 3/4, or more to the point the mechanics of both are very similar--but one is just more complex when it comes to those mechanics. More than that though, Persona 3/4 is much more popular than SMT as a whole while also taking that particular spin off series in a far different direction than the rest of SMT--the band sold out, so to speak. Where you're going to have disparity in difficulty, mechanics, and most importantly popularity--you're going to have a fanbase that condemns one side of it because it's no longer a thing that they use to define themselves.
At the end of the day, if you feel the need to flaunt the fact that you played a tough videogame as a sort of badge of superiority, then you're probably an unhappy person to begin with.
The funny part is, I'm willing to bet when Persona 5 comes out that it'll bring in a lot of new fans and you'll probably see a lot of P3/4 fans treat fans of that game the same way SMT fans try to treat them. It's a never ending cycle.
I'll tell you why, it was because ATLUS is milking the Persona franchise, people want a true next gen SMT main series. I mean Persona is really really great and P3:FES is my top 5 JRPG but the main series is fucking good that it makes me mad ATLUS only focus on Persona franchise after the success of P3.
TL;DR : PERSONA IS ALL ABOUT POWER OF FRIENDSHIP WHILE SMT IS BASED ON PURE BADASSNESS
TL;DR : PERSONA IS ALL ABOUT POWER OF FRIENDSHIP WHILE SMT IS BASED ON PURE BADASSNESS
chrominance
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Jotamide
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Because Social Links vs Demon Negotiation is a very existential question.