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Why are so many people such physically broken messes?
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Really? In my experience farmer's markets can't begin to compete with supermarket prices--not just for meat, milk, and eggs, but for fruits and vegetables as well. Particularly in urban areas, farmer's markets cater to young professionals (their largest customer base) with artisan breads and the like. Shit's expensive.
It's real and not uncommon in rural and suburban America.
Devolution
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The local ones I've gone to the quality of vegetables is so much better than a bunch that has been left in a warehouse then sold to people. I consider it a cheaper alternative because it's local and you don't need to drive out to a store. The fruit at my local one was actually cheaper and monumentally better than the in store stuff that gets frozen.
ElectricBlue187
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depends, sometimes you get awesome farmers market and sometimes you get "those two tomatoes are $5" rip off crap in my area. Besides, the supermarkets are buying from the exact same farms, they are just able to negotiate a better price through volume
OrangeJulius
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Farmers markets can be great if you happen to have good, fair priced ones around. It's luck really. Some do cater to the upscale crowd like you said. Befriending them is a very good idea. My step dad did this and makes out like a bandit all the time because of it.
High quality fresh meat, eggs, vegetables, you name it.
High quality fresh meat, eggs, vegetables, you name it.
I agree that the quality is far superior...but it comes at a price. I don't own a car and live within easy walking distance of a local supermarket and a big-box store (Target). I suppose if you don't live within walking distance of those things and factor in fuel costs, the farmer's market food may be cheaper--but, generally, if you've got to drive to the supermarket, you'll have to drive to the farmer's market as well.
EDIT: It seems farmer's markets with good prices exist...I just haven't found one in my area.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I live in Clearwater, Florida, and yes, it's a real thing.
There is a difference between being healthy, and being fit with ''a six pack and huge muscles.''
Not being obese is generally a good thing whether or not you are ripped.
OrangeJulius
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In my own personal experience, it's less about difficulty and more about just staying dedicated to your workout routine and eating right.
And eating right is honestly the most important part of the equation. If you do that, the looking and being fit part falls into place with a bit of effort and determination.
Devolution
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I agree that the quality is far superior...but it comes at a price. I don't own a car and live within easy walking distance of a local supermarket and a big-box store (Target). I suppose if you don't live within walking distance of those things and factor in fuel costs, the farmer's market food may be cheaper--but, generally, if you've got to drive to the supermarket, you'll have to drive to the farmer's market as well.
EDIT: It seems farmer's markets with good prices exist...I just haven't found one in my area.
Well that's why I would love more localized farmers markets as well as better transportation within cities. A lot of this stuff is interconnected and makes for a terrible way to run society. Yet we keep on chuggin' a long not changing anything.
Yep - your mind will break down well before your body. Case in point: I never really worked out and I'm not in any way fat (5'10" 185 lbs). Most years I'll start running for a week, then quit, play hockey once a week in the winter, that's about it. I decided I wanted to get down to 175 about 3 weeks ago and started running.
Now I basically run 3.5 miles a day and actually just signed up for a sprint triathlon (0.5 mile swim, 12 mile bike, 3 mile run). The swim is what I'm most worried about and after never really being able to do more than a couple laps in the pool, I went today and did 18 laps (granted, breast stroke, but no big deal).
Triathlon is in 3 weeks - looking forward to it.
BruceLeeRoy
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Awesome job man that's going to be a great accomplishment. Tip for the swim: Let all the He-Men swim to the front and bang each-other around and just get behinds someones wake. Much much easier.
On a side note London hasn't escaped obesity despite all the walking. I was there for 2 weeks last year and I was pretty surprised how overweight the avg. person seemed to be. Must be the price you pay for having amazing pubs and meat pies
Yup, just by simply eating right, youll get to a healthy weight, or at least a slightly overweight state. Will you have a 6 pack with rippling muscles? Probably not, but if you really want that, you are probably already lifting weights
No it doesn't if you can cook at all. Self-made burgers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything any shitty McDonalds or such can sell you and it's not even that much more expensive.
Mister Wilhelm
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Poor education concerning diet, rampant availability of bad food that is addictive, apathy.
DR2K
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That's like giving books to people who don't know the alphabet. Unless you know how to read calories or even care to, then it's just a pointless law.
Devolution
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Look I don't personally think it tastes good because I hate artificial sweeteners and corn syrup but plenty of people love that shit. If taste wasn't part of the equation then it wouldn't matter that it's cheap.
PuppetSlave
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BruceLeeRoy
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I think a big part of it is the addictive effect of processed sugar and janky preservatives.
Having a Coke after months of abstaining is a mind blowing experience though
Speedymanic
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I call BS. Hard to imagine people are so fat they use scooters to get around....scooters that are built for genuinely disabled folk.
worked at a walmart for a year and saw this all the time. also they have fat children and fat grandchildren in tow
Speedymanic
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The kids weren't in their own scooters, were they?
Hard to believe it's gotten that bad.
I know it's not right to judge, but you'd think they would change their lifestyle when they reach that point.
DR2K
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Caloric information is already on just about everything you buy at stores. Putting it on fast food(McDonalds already does this) is not going to start some crazy revolution.
Or just above walking. While you dirty peasants touch the floor, they hover above it.
I know that I was just making a general point.
Being very fit is a lot harder than being healthy but they both require will power.
That's what I mean by it being difficult.
You need a huge amount of determination and will power.
SonicMegaDrive
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1) they eat unhealthy, quck-fix food or fast food because they don't have time to cook healthy alternative
2) they don't work out enough because they don't have time. Also, they're lazy due to poor nutrition and from their bodies being spent working.
I'm assuming OP is from the United States. People in this country work a lot. It's a vicious cycle.
2) they don't work out enough because they don't have time. Also, they're lazy due to poor nutrition and from their bodies being spent working.
I'm assuming OP is from the United States. People in this country work a lot. It's a vicious cycle.
OrangeJulius
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I get what your saying, upon first starting out it is hard, I imagine much harder still if you are already overweight.
But like some others above already said, eating right is more than half the battle. If you eat good, clean food, consistently and cut out all the crap, looking good with clothes on is only a matter of time.
Now, if you want the cut, six pack look, yes, that is going to require some working out.
The hardest part IMO isn't the working out, it's cutting all the garbage out, like sodas, chips and other junk food. It's hard, but once you do it, you eventually forget they even exist.
-Pyromaniac-
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Can I just say, I find it kind of disgusting to imagine someone sitting on a bench and judging all the people walking by and calling them physically broken messes/disgusting/whatever word. I don't know. Maybe that's just me.
Either way, yeah it's a problem, a societal one. Like said above, it's a vicious cycle.
Either way, yeah it's a problem, a societal one. Like said above, it's a vicious cycle.
ElectricBlue187
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Nah cutting out junk food is as easy as not walking down those aisles at the grocery store, its the stomach crunches that are going to suck
Jason's Ultimatum
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This is true.
I don't get the point of this thread. Are you asking these questions because you're incapable of thinking critically and coming up with the answers by yourself or is this another way of bringing up the same old discussion on GAF?
The reasons vary. To assume someone is fat because they're lazy is pretty stupid and/or shortsighted. The person could be lazy. They could have suffered an injury and put on some weight while they were down. They could have been pregnant. They may have bad eating habbits from their parents. They may believe they're invincible. They may simply not give a damn because they feel comfortable in their skin or they may look fat and unhealthy but may be actually healthy.
Yes, the obese ones are obvious but it's really stupid to sit there and just judge people on their appearance because making assumptions is kind of really dumb.
The reasons vary. To assume someone is fat because they're lazy is pretty stupid and/or shortsighted. The person could be lazy. They could have suffered an injury and put on some weight while they were down. They could have been pregnant. They may have bad eating habbits from their parents. They may believe they're invincible. They may simply not give a damn because they feel comfortable in their skin or they may look fat and unhealthy but may be actually healthy.
Yes, the obese ones are obvious but it's really stupid to sit there and just judge people on their appearance because making assumptions is kind of really dumb.
FleckSplat
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Yeah, I'm a weightlifter.
OrangeJulius
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I guess that just depends on perspective. I hated working out initially, but you learn to love it and even get addicted to it. I had a much harder time cutting out sweets and other junk food.
Stomach crunches do in fact suck though, only assholes enjoy those.
SonicMegaDrive
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Like they say, no pain, no gain.
You are either really, really sheltered, or in another country (and still sheltered).
Start your research into the horrible anus of the US here:
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
MidgarBlowedUp
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I've never once seen caloric information on the drive thru menu at any McDonald's I've visited.
I've never once seen caloric information on the wrapper, box, bag of anything I've purchased at any McDonald's I've visited.
That's what the new law is for, to make it more readily available. While I agree that counting calories is a dumb idea, you should be counting carbohydrates, at least it is a step in the right direction. It's a much better idea than simply banning the sale of 32 ounce sodas or claiming "fat people are dumb and lazy" or whatever misinformed, unproven and, unhelpful statement people want to throw at the issue.
MightyHedgehog
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The cheapest, easiest food most commonly available is bad for you. Most people live in the biggest population centers, which are urban or suburban and which require less walking and much more riding or driving to go around to live there. Most poor people live in these population centers. The poorer you are, the more likely you'll be eating poor and not exercising as regularly. It's also pretty easy to not try to take care of yourself when so many around you don't either, so it becomes a pretty clear and growing effect on the population. If the food subsidies weren't so fucked up, we'd probably see a better set of cheap and easily available prepared foods, but the microwave and oven being primarily used to cook specifically-prepared foods really are a huge part of the problem. Convenience and price overtakes the quality of food every time, so that needs to be addressed at some point and, really, better eating and exercise habits should be a stronger part of early public school child curriculum before the bad habits set in.
Wait what? Counting calories is an extremely effective way of losing weight.
That's really it in the end. It is really expensive to eat healthy, not to mention the time require to properly prepare the meals. Time and money people either don't have or is better spent elsewhere once looking their overall schedule. I think this is the case for the average person you see walking around.
backflip10019
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It's true. I started counting calories like 3 weeks ago and just generally staying away from unhealthy foods and I've lost 10 lbs so far. Now I'm just a little bit overweight for my height. It's a really effective strategy.
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