After watching Logan and getting into Xmen again a bit, started wondering why there aren't really any games centered around this IP? Feels like such a huge wasted opportunity. If I had to guess it's got something to do with the IP rights between Fox and Marvel but just seems like money being left on the table.
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Why are there no (modern) X-men games?
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Waddle Dee
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It's buggy as fuck and drops frames constantly, but it's good fun if you're a fan of the character.
Don't play this piece of shit though.
It's buggy as fuck and drops frames constantly, but it's good fun if you're a fan of the character.
Don't play this piece of shit though.
Yeah I've heard good things about Origins, but no longer on PC unfortunately :/
Red Arremer
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And there's your answer already.
You have to consider that every product advertises another product. The approach here is that if Marvel uses the X-Men IP, they advertise the Fox movies (and with it their merchandise). Given the fact Marvel has absolutely no creative say in the Fox movies, being associated with them may have a negative impact on Marvel's reputation, as well, which is why they cut all ties, basically.
I think they might do some low key Xmen DLC for Marvel 4, I can see why the game wouldn't include any Xmen at release, but Wolverine is a linchpin of that series, and it started off as Xmen vs Street Fighter.
Lupin the Third
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My understanding is, this is the issue.
You'll notice Marvel seems really into Guardians of the Galaxy, Iron Man, and all those Marvel Studios-owned Cinematic Universe characters and has really been downplaying X-Men and even Spidey now despite them being like, the definition of Marvel Comics for the layman in the 90s.
smashballTaz
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The last X-Men game was made by Silicon Knight and was baaaad.
Fittingly though, the Wolverine X-Men Origins game (by all accounts) is very fantastic. You should definitely track that down. Other than the Batman Arkham games there's really barely been any very good superhero games at all, since Spider-Man 2.
[edit] beaten so hard!
Fittingly though, the Wolverine X-Men Origins game (by all accounts) is very fantastic. You should definitely track that down. Other than the Batman Arkham games there's really barely been any very good superhero games at all, since Spider-Man 2.
[edit] beaten so hard!
They did remaster the Deadpool game though, right?
smashballTaz
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Pretty sure it was just re-released rather than remastered.
I think X-Men DLC is likely (and was rumoured for MVC Infinite IIRC), but obviously it won't be in the core game and thus won't get any exposure in the game's main marketing campaign/promotions.
Waddle Dee
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Lupin the Third
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They did port it to the new-gen consoles (or or was it just PS4?), but I don't think they did much to it, yeah.
Deadpool is like, one of the rare counter-examples.
I think Marvel had been trying to get a decent Avengers tie-in game going for years now, and am surprised it took them so long to do so now that we're two movies into that IP.
Right. Marvel has no creative inputs to the xmen games and the spiderman games. That is why they are awesome. Logan is the last movie that benefits from "no creative input from Marvel".
Hooray for a digital only world right guys?
GlassBurrito
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X-men Destiny was a mess.
Sad.
X-Men games are going to win and win bigly.
Make X-Men Games Again.
Sad.
X-Men games are going to win and win bigly.
Make X-Men Games Again.
It technically started with X-Men COTA as Akuma was in that game too.
Anita turned it into Marvel vs Capcom in MSH.
archreaper93
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I'd love an X-Men RPG where you create a mutant and join the X-Men. Choose what powers you have, with more abilities becoming available as you level up.
This is an amusing game to try to make this point about, as it was never available digitally at all on PC.
Stiler
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Marvel has basically 0 interest in promoting ANY Xmen (or Fantastic 4, etc) in any medium that they still retain the rights to.
Basically they don't want to do anything that would help make the IP bigger or give Fox more promotion, etc.
It's sad to because in the end, doing this only hurts the fans of said series and leaves money on the table.
Fox isn't going to suddenly give the rights back and with how well the Logan movie is doing and previous X-men movies it's not like people are going to forget about them.
The only way you might ever see them is if Fox and Marvel work out a deal similar to Sony with Spiderman.
Basically they don't want to do anything that would help make the IP bigger or give Fox more promotion, etc.
It's sad to because in the end, doing this only hurts the fans of said series and leaves money on the table.
Fox isn't going to suddenly give the rights back and with how well the Logan movie is doing and previous X-men movies it's not like people are going to forget about them.
The only way you might ever see them is if Fox and Marvel work out a deal similar to Sony with Spiderman.
Yeah, like I get that they're basically trying to starve Xmen so Fox will somehow give up the rights, but that just isn't going to happen with how successful the movies are and in the meantime they are wasting $ not using the IP in other areas. Then again, I'm not a CEO of a multibillion dollar company so what do I know.
Question about this Marvel/Fox stuff: would it be possible for Fox to find a publisher for their own game? Fox is partnering with Ubisoft/Massive for an Avatar game, which shows they have some interest in licensing out their properties. Do you guys think they could get Ubi or another publisher to make an X-men game, or does Marvel retain some control over X-men video games?
That's literally what the X-Men Destiny game was. It was garbage.
smashballTaz
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Still, it is a good idea that was executed terribly.
NightmareTrigger
Banned
I have two dream games. One of them is a Persona-style X-Men academy game. I would kill a man and his family for it.
Tizoc
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To answer your question:
Disney.
The X-Men aren't part of the MCU, so Disney and Marvel could give fuck all for exposure to that franchise.
Far as Fox is concerned, they would mostly make iOS games since their costs would be low.
It's buggy as fuck and drops frames constantly, but it's good fun if you're a fan of the character.
Don't play this piece of shit though.
Wolverine Origins is on PC and runs really well from what I played.
What do you mean 'remaster'? Deadpool was released on PS360 and PC.
They just ported the dang thing to PS4. Whether it lives up to the PC version's performance is something I hadn't checked though :V
Marvel owns the rights to X-Men video games, Fox only has the film rights. So no Fox can't do that.
Thanks for clarifying!
Marvel wants to crush the Xmen part of their IP until it's worthless to Fox and they'll release it back to Marvel, that said Fox have been doing a bang up job of doing that to themselves in recent years, but interestingly their R rated stuff like Logan and Deadpool have been very positively received.
X-Men Legends 1&2 are and forever will be the end all be all when it comes to X-men games.
I also have a special place in my heart for X-Men 2: Clone award on the Genesis. Severely underrated game. Any X-men fan owes it to themselves to play it.
But yes brother/sister we are in a dark age of Xmen rights wars and it is we the fans who are paying the price in the battles raged across corporate meeting rooms. Let us pray for an end to the conflict and a glorious renaissance to follow shortly thereafter. So say we all!
I also have a special place in my heart for X-Men 2: Clone award on the Genesis. Severely underrated game. Any X-men fan owes it to themselves to play it.
But yes brother/sister we are in a dark age of Xmen rights wars and it is we the fans who are paying the price in the battles raged across corporate meeting rooms. Let us pray for an end to the conflict and a glorious renaissance to follow shortly thereafter. So say we all!
It's not just the rights to video games, Marvel has veto rights over all merchandise related to the X-Men and Fantastic Four.
There's a reason you don't see a ton of X-Men merchandise, because Marvel vetoes all of it.
I know all of that, I just didn't feel it was necessary to mention explicitly when answering his question. Though I did say Fox ONLY has the film rights...
Red Arremer
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And a movie before that that benefited heavily from "no creative input from Marvel" was F4NT45T1C. Yeah, Fox sure made a blockbuster there. And on a whole most of Fox's Marvel movies were more akin to F4NT45T1C in quality than Logan, let's be honest here.
no, Fox only has the film rights to x-men & fantastic 4.
if they wanted x-men games, they would need to go through Marvel...
and Marvel don't want to promote properties they can't make movies from.
who gives a fuck about the fans, or the fact that the X-men (and spiderman) were the only things keeping marvel afloat in the 90's.
hell if it weren't for X-Men & spiderman comics, Marvel would have filed for bankruptcy at the turn of the century.
Azure Phoenix
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It'll never work though, Fantastic Four wasn't a big enough name to survive such awful films. X-Men is still a big name and the movies alone are doing well enough that, short of a catastrophic mis-step, Fox aren't going to let that IP go. Marvel are never going to get the rights back with their current course of action, they are the ones losing potential revenue from not selling games, comics, figures and other merchandise - heck at this rate most people won't even associate the X-Men brand with Marvel in a few years.
LFMartins86
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Deadpool was probably more profitable than any Marvel movie and Logan will also do quite a lot so there really is no way that Marvel are getting those licenses back.
And thank God for that, Deadpool and Logan are better than every Marvel movie except Guardians Of The Galaxy.
Mr. Phellps
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I just need a good X-Men Legends 3.
Most marvel movies are average to bad quality. Avengers (the first one) and GOG are outliers. Marvel belongs to "no risk taking" Disney and it shows.
But you are right, the last F4 movie was crap. I was not talking about it.
AntiFacebook
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Because marvel don't want ro promote the franchises that fox holds the movie rights for
Flintty
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To be fair, I thought Fox were on to something good with the Xmen movie 'reboot' but they decided to keep it in the same universe and prove once again that they're terrible at handling the franchise. Deadpool (and Logan by the sounds of it) are the only exceptions to the rule. Fuck the Xmen until Fox make a deal with Disney, IMO. It's a shame they won't be in any games any time soon but I get why Disney are doing this. Didn't the terrible FF movie prompt them to cancel the comic??
TRUE ORDER
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A new only X-Men game would be awesome, but as many have said already, it's somewhat difficult with all the licensing issues and Marvel not wanting to promote them.
A MUA3 or Legends 3 need to happen at some point please.
A MUA3 or Legends 3 need to happen at some point please.
Discotheque
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those lames should suck it up and release some xmen games again. they would not lose anything out of it since Fox doesn't get any profit from the merchandising anyways. plus they have a bunch of xmen and wolverine comics in publication too. so wtf...
that wolverine game from raven was pretty awesome. aside from the MvC series it was up there with the raimi spiderman movie games as some of the best marvel videogames i ever played.
gimme a new hack n slasher or a xmen legends 3.
that wolverine game from raven was pretty awesome. aside from the MvC series it was up there with the raimi spiderman movie games as some of the best marvel videogames i ever played.
gimme a new hack n slasher or a xmen legends 3.
Red Arremer
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You can't just cherrypick the outliers from Fox's library and say "see, Fox is better off not getting any creative input from Marvel", and handwave away the stinkers. And not only the last Fantastic Four movie was crap, all Fantastic Four movies were crap (all of which were Fox's doing), and more X-Men movies were bad than average or better.
TRUE ORDER
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I don't think that making a new game would be that bad for Marvel since they would get all the money from it... this is just being salty (I know that it requires more thought on the matter, but they shouldn't be like that, not that the MCU movies would get less money)
Well, the Deadpool game and UMVC3 were re released, so it's something.
Well, the Deadpool game and UMVC3 were re released, so it's something.
I dunno why, but I remember avoiding the Xmen Origins game when it came out. I guess maybe I thought it was bad or something? Strange because I'm pretty sure I had a decent time with the demo.
Just bit the bullet and ordered a copy though. I'm guessing this is one of those games that you're going to have to get a physical copy for and won't be like... re-released digitally or something.
Just bit the bullet and ordered a copy though. I'm guessing this is one of those games that you're going to have to get a physical copy for and won't be like... re-released digitally or something.