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Why are there no (modern) X-men games?

Finished replaying the Wolverine Origins game a few days ago. Man, I really want a new Wolverine game from Raven set in the comics universe. And a new X-Men Legends and Marvel Ultimate Alliance (in the vein of the first one).

Raven did some kickass Marvel games back in the day, are they still stuck with CoD multiplayer stuff? That's as sad as the state of the X-Men IP
 
Red Arremer said:
You can't just cherrypick the outliers from Fox's library and say "see, Fox is better off not getting any creative input from Marvel", and handwave away the stinkers. And not only the last Fantastic Four movie was crap, all Fantastic Four movies were crap (all of which were Fox's doing), and more X-Men movies were bad than average or better.
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X-Men 1 - Good
X-Men 2 - Great
X-Men 3 - Terrible
Wolverine : Origins - Awful
X-Men First Class - Good
X-Men Days Of Future Past - Great
The Wolverine - Good
X-Men Apocalypse - Bad
Deadpool - Great
Logan - Great

So 3 terrible movies, 7 good to great ones.
 
LFMartins86 said:
X-Men Apocalypse - Bad
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Wait, people didn't like that movie?

We need a new X-Men Mutant academy:

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LFMartins86 said:
So 3 terrible movies, 7 good to great ones.
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My assessment would be more like this:
X-Men 1 - Average
X-Men 2 - Good
X-Men 3 - Terrible
Wolverine : Origins - Awful
X-Men First Class - Average
X-Men Days Of Future Past - Average
The Wolverine - Bad
X-Men Apocalypse - Bad

Haven't seen Deadpool or Logan yet, though they're supposedly really good (though what I've seen of Deadpool, it would likely end up in the "meh" category for me at best).

4 bad, 3 average, and I'll give the 2 I didn't see the benefit of the doubt and say 3 good ones. Granted, more average ones than I gave the series credit for (I guess the Fantastic Four stink was just too big on Fox's hands for me to leave that impression), but still wouldn't say that the good ones outweigh the bad or average ones.
 
Red Arremer said:
And a movie before that that benefited heavily from "no creative input from Marvel" was F4NT45T1C. Yeah, Fox sure made a blockbuster there. And on a whole most of Fox's Marvel movies were more akin to F4NT45T1C in quality than Logan, let's be honest here.
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Technically F4NT4T1C had some extenuating circumstances in that Fox was basically in "use them or lose them" mode with the rights. If they didn't make a F4 movie RIGHT THEN, they'd lose the rights back to Marvel.

Fox only has the rights perpetually as long as they continue to put out films with the properties. If they wait too long, the rights revert back to Marvel.
 
Patryn said:
Technically F4NT4T1C had some extenuating circumstances in that Fox was basically in "use them or lose them" mode with the rights. If they didn't make a F4 movie RIGHT THEN, they'd lose the rights back to Marvel.

Fox only has the rights perpetually as long as they continue to put out films with the properties. If they wait too long, the rights revert back to Marvel.
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That doesn't justify their two previous horrible Fantastic Four movies
 
Red Arremer said:
My assessment would be more like this:
X-Men 1 - Average
X-Men 2 - Good
X-Men 3 - Terrible
Wolverine : Origins - Awful
X-Men First Class - Average
X-Men Days Of Future Past - Average
The Wolverine - Bad
X-Men Apocalypse - Bad

Haven't seen Deadpool or Logan yet, though they're supposedly really good (though what I've seen of Deadpool, it would likely end up in the "meh" category for me at best).

4 bad, 3 average, and I'll give the 2 I didn't see the benefit of the doubt and say 3 good ones. Granted, more average ones than I gave the series credit for (I guess the Fantastic Four stink was just too big on Fox's hands for me to leave that impression), but still wouldn't say that the good ones outweigh the bad or average ones.
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Logan is the best x-men since x-men 2

Deadpool sucked imo.
 
Red Arremer said:
My assessment would be more like this:
X-Men 1 - Average
X-Men 2 - Good
X-Men 3 - Terrible
Wolverine : Origins - Awful
X-Men First Class - Average
X-Men Days Of Future Past - Average
The Wolverine - Bad
X-Men Apocalypse - Bad
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i think you're being a little harsh (aside from xmen origins & x3, of course). Here's how i would rank them:

X-Men 1 - Average (it's aged a lot)
X-Men 2 - Great
X-Men 3 - Awful
Wolverine : Origins - Awful
X-Men First Class - Good
X-Men Days Of Future Past - Great
The Wolverine - Average
X-Men Apocalypse - Average
Deadpool - Great


Bryan singer is really good at making movies that are character driven imo; that's why x2 & DoFP stand out from his work. the moment he went for a larger scale film, like in apocalypse where he introduces a whole bunch of inconsequential characters vying for screen time in an already full-rostered ensemble, his work suffers greatly. it's less time focused on developing already established personalities, and more time wasted on new characters that are 1 dimensional.
 
Makes me sick how X-men got done over in the games world.

We should have had a continuous stream of various X-men related games covering various genres
 
Wow, I didn't even know that Marvel is crippling any X-Men games and merchandise. Too bad, since I like those characters much more than the other Marvel stuff
 
Basically what has been said. Fox owns the movie rights, which Marvel wants badly. Marvel owns the rights to everything else, including most of the film related merch. X-Men is still one of the most popular comic book franchises sales wise, so Marvel isn't going to cancel those.


There is evidence that the two studios might be on better ground in recent months, so an X-Men console game might not be as far off as we think. Many within the industry speculate that Marvel gave Fox the OK to do a full out X-Men TV series (currently casting) in exchange for the rights to the Fantastic Four after 4 failed films at Fox.
 
Which version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine is the best?

The fact that the PC version is not available digitally puts me off a bit, so if one of the console version is better I would get that.
 
Tonyx said:
Which version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine is the best?

The fact that the PC version is not available digitally puts me off a bit, so if one of the console version is better I would get that.
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PC version is great, probably the best version. 360 & PS3 are fine too, but a few performance dips. There's a Wii, PS2 and PSP game of the same name that is not the same game and is far lesser.
 
LewieP said:
PC version is great, probably the best version. 360 & PS3 are fine too, but a few performance dips. There's a Wii, PS2 and PSP game of the same name that is not the same game and is far lesser.
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Thank you. I'll check how easy is the PS3 version to find or I'll suck it up and get the PC disc.
 
Red Arremer said:
And a movie before that that benefited heavily from "no creative input from Marvel" was F4NT45T1C. Yeah, Fox sure made a blockbuster there. And on a whole most of Fox's Marvel movies were more akin to F4NT45T1C in quality than Logan, let's be honest here.
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The majority of tne xmen movies have been good. Logan is another step forward, something the current appeal to everyone marvel can't do.
 
Lime said:
But the PC version is the better one, I'm not understanding?
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True. But he said the PS3 version is fine too so since I am not a fan of PC games on discs I'll look for the PS3 version first.

However seems it's not too easy to find (and disc only as well) so I've ordered the PC version.
 
Tapejara said:
Question about this Marvel/Fox stuff: would it be possible for Fox to find a publisher for their own game? Fox is partnering with Ubisoft/Massive for an Avatar game, which shows they have some interest in licensing out their properties. Do you guys think they could get Ubi or another publisher to make an X-men game, or does Marvel retain some control over X-men video games?
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No, Fox has no say over the X-Men in non-live action media.

But yeah, up to this point, Marvel Entertainment (or more specifically, Ike Perlmutter) doesn't want Fox to get any free advertising. That said, things are starting to improve between Marvel Entertainment & Fox, between the rumors of the Fox characters being DLC in MvCI (though too late for the base roster) & the possibility of a new X-Men cartoon being a thing. If those rumors are true remains to be seen (though the former rumor has some merit thanks to our own Ryce, who leaked MvCI's existence, being the one who reported on it).
 
An X-Men game would probably sell great, but why waste time building up the X-Men when you can build up Guardians of the Galaxy, sell merchandise and also make movies based on those characters and bring in billions of dollars?
 
Lime said:
Honestly, I wish Square Enix had used Crystal Dynamics to make an X-Men game than a Avenger game.
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Given the way Marvel Entertainment has been treating the X-Men, Square Enix's first game was unlikely to be X-Men (& rumor has it that the Eidos Marvel game is Guardians of the Galaxy). Maybe that'll change in the coming years, but all we can do right now is hope that Marvel Entertainment stops being petty about the whole situation.

Though realistically speaking, Avengers is Marvel's biggest IP right now. Might as well start a big partnership off with the biggest gun you have.
 
Jason Frost said:
Anyone remember why the blood was purple in this scene? I think it's because it was taken from the demo version, but I'm not really sure.
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I don't remember KoolAid in the demo. I'll redownload it and give it a try later on. Was it censored in other countries or something?

edit: Oh, I guess it was the demo. Just ran through to that part. Red blood everywhere else, but purple goo for helicopter part.
 
Neoxon said:
No, Fox has no say over the X-Men in non-live action media.

But yeah, up to this point, Marvel Entertainment (or more specifically, Ike Perlmutter) doesn't want Fox to get any free advertising. That said, things are starting to improve between Marvel Entertainment & Fox, between the rumors of the Fox characters being DLC in MvCI (though too late for the base roster) & the possibility of a new X-Men cartoon being a thing. If those rumors are true remains to be seen (though the former rumor has some merit thanks to our own Ryce, who leaked MvCI's existence, being the one who reported on it).
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To add to this post, Marvel Comics is doing that Death of X comic book (which is sort of an obliteration of mutant kind but ALSO sort of a rebirth/restructuring of metahuman factions in the Marvel Comics universe, as I understand it... as the name goes, many big-name deaths in this book,) so X-Men doesn't have a great future for Marvel either way.

Part of that Death of X book line was supposedly a f-u to Fox, but it's also a rebranding/re-distribution of characters for a new generation of readers. Unless no X-Man survives Death of X, some of these characters will have a future to expand on afterwards. And for all the bad blood that Fox and Marvel have had, there's been something of a coming-together, and Fox has stepped up in quality (everywhere but F4.) The latest Wolverine movie follows the old-man Logan series, Deadpool is a hit, the Legion show is great, the Matt Nix X-Men series has some steam, the Gambit movie hit the brakes when things looked bad instead of lurching into F4/ASM rush-job territory, X-Force may happen, X23 is now a hot property...

Marvel would really like for its own Inhumans property to balloon and make X-Men irrelevant, but that's a hard road ahead. Meanwhile, the way Fox has come around on its franchises, Marvel cannot just expect Fox to fail out and give up on X-Men. At some point, it'll be wasted energy to hold a grudge when there's business to be had.

I expect Marvel Games to concentrate on its core MCU brands first (Spider-Man is an in-between brand, it's interesting that it started there but it is still in the universe,) but I would not at all be surprised if/when Marvel Games announced a partner for a Wolverine or X-23 or Deadpool/Cable or even X-Men game. These are strong and active Marvel brands.

EDIT - Also, Marvel Comics just today announced a relaunch in Astonishing X-Men. They're calling it the "ResurrXion".
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Marvel's business doesn't always follow the books, but rumors of the death of the X-Men may have been greatly exaggerated...
 
It's a real shame. Marvel had so many good superhero games before last-gen too. The Hulk, Spider-Man, X-Men ones and so on.

The X-Men Legends games and Wolverine Origins were great.

Would absolutely love to get an X-Men Legends 3 or Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 with X-Men characters included.
 
CamHostage said:
To add to this post, Marvel Comics is doing that Death of X comic book (which is sort of an obliteration of mutant kind but ALSO sort of a rebirth/restructuring of metahuman factions in the Marvel Comics universe, as I understand it... as the name goes, many big-name deaths in this book,) so X-Men doesn't have a great future for Marvel either way.

Part of that Death of X book line was supposedly a f-u to Fox, but it's also a rebranding/re-distribution of characters for a new generation of readers. Unless no X-Man survives Death of X, some of these characters will have a future to expand on afterwards. And for all the bad blood that Fox and Marvel have had, there's been something of a coming-together, and Fox has stepped up in quality (everywhere but F4.) The latest Wolverine movie follows the old-man Logan series, Deadpool is a hit, the Legion show is great, the Matt Nix X-Men series has some steam, the Gambit movie hit the brakes when things looked bad instead of lurching into F4/ASM rush-job territory, X-Force may happen, X23 is now a hot property...

Marvel would really like for its own Inhumans property to balloon and make X-Men irrelevant, but that's a hard road ahead. Meanwhile, the way Fox has come around on its franchises, Marvel cannot just expect Fox to fail out and give up on X-Men. At some point, it'll be wasted energy to hold a grudge when there's business to be had.

I expect Marvel Games to concentrate on its core MCU brands first (Spider-Man is an in-between brand, it's interesting that it started there but it is still in the universe,) but I would not at all be surprised if/when Marvel Games announced a partner for a Wolverine or X-23 or Deadpool/Cable or even X-Men game. These are strong and active Marvel brands.

EDIT - Also, Marvel Comics just today announced a relaunch in Astonishing X-Men. They're calling it the "ResurrXion".


Marvel's business doesn't always follow the books, but rumors of the death of the X-Men may have been greatly exaggerated...
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To be fair, the comics were never really the problem with Marvel pushing the Fox properties into the corner. Even before ResurrXion, we had around 6 or so X-Books a year. It mainly pertained to the games & cartoons. So while the new wave of X-Books (along with new Inhumans books) is nice to see, the real test is if Marvel's willing to create new X-Men fans through said cartoons & post-CoC games.
 
Where are all the Marvel games in general? Outside of some F2P stuff and MvC, we really haven't gotten anything. Insomniac's Spiderman game announcement kinda highlighted how we haven't really gotta a AAA Marvel game.
 
SuperStiltzkin said:
Where are all the Marvel games in general? Outside of some F2P stuff and MvC, we really haven't gotten anything. Insomniac's Spiderman game announcement kinda highlighted how we haven't really gotta a AAA Marvel game.
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Square-Enix just announced a deal to make a bunch of Marvel games.
 
Im fine with fox hanginf onto the rights, the x men wouldnt fit into the current mcu and there is no way disney would allow films like deadpool or logan to be made
 
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