Which local? I know 3 is pretty much at capacity and they are kind of holding back their apprentice program.
Mirrors the trend of globalization as well.
Globalization isn't a bad thing. And it's not going to go away anytime soon. Knock off this xenophobic bullshit.
I don't disagree with the chart. Hispanic industries are typically on average lower skilled or service industries. It doesn't surprise me at all that non unionized low skill industries are worse off. Those sectors are far better served with union representation but America is a mess, the minimum wage should be at least double what it is.Not the second chart.
Relying on your union to negotiate for yourself and hundreds or thousands of others, when you have a marketable skill set doesn't make sense.
We both know that this isn't how this plays out, union member or not.If a business views you as a group asset, you're as equally disposable and hold the same value as the person who does far less work than you. That too can be massively problematic.
Okay, yes, we've established that union membership has seen a decline. Thanks again for clarifying.There aren't too many unionized industries with people regularly getting 6 figure salaries or more than 4 weeks vacation.
Globalization isn't a bad thing. And it's not going to go away anytime soon. Knock off this xenophobic bullshit.
It also gives an employer little motivation to pay above and beyond the average because a business cannot control it's own allocation of funds, the union effectively does it for them. An employer won't give someone a 15% raise if they think the union is going to turn around and demand a 10% increase for all next year.Collective bargaining increases the ability for workers to express influence over the policies of their employer. The benefits of which include everyone at the company and not just those at the top that can jump ship whenever they want because they're marketable. I don't see how this isn't worth pursuing or doesn't make sense because the absolute top earners might get more on their own. This doesn't describe most people working at the vast majority of companies after all.
We both know that this isn't how this plays out, union member or not.
Okay, yes, we've established that union membership has seen a decline. Thanks again for clarifying.
What exactly was xenophobic about my post?
This sounds like a hypothetical that plays out so often that it's just a forgone conclusion. Just like employers being unable to fire their employees.It also gives an employer little motivation to pay above and beyond the average because a business cannot control it's own allocation of funds, the union effectively does it for them. An employer won't give someone a 15% raise if they think the union is going to turn around and demand a 10% increase for all next year.
I think even you recognize that mid-level "nobodies" have next to no bargaining power, especially given your pinpoint focus on top earners.As I said, if you're in a skilled workforce, unions have little value. It doesn't matter if you're a mid-level nobody, collectively bargaining de-values everyone as a whole in that situation, the only people that benefit are the ones that are dragging the chains.
Again, not sure how my post suggested a hatred of globalization or was xenophobic in any way.Because this hatred of Globalisation ignores the very real gains that have been made in Asia and Africa (seriously, look what's happened in places like Botswana, it's incredible). For context, the percentage of people living in absolute poverty is at its lowest in recorded history. Meanwhile, the global middle class (which basically everyone in the West is above) now makes up 3.5 billion people.
I think it's really a personal preference. There is good and bad in them. Unions are just as capitalist as the corporations on the other side of the table. I also think there usefulness declines in modern society. Many of the protections they offer are covered by the government. In places like China with crazy abusive labour practices they would be very beneficial. Up here in Canada they are starting to tip the scales towards another racket that takes money away from workers. The security they offer is not for me but I understand why many people like them.
I think it's really a personal preference. There is good and bad in them. Unions are just as capitalist as the corporations on the other side of the table. I also think there usefulness declines in modern society. Many of the protections they offer are covered by the government. In places like China with crazy abusive labour practices they would be very beneficial. Up here in Canada they are starting to tip the scales towards another racket that takes money away from workers. The security they offer is not for me but I understand why many people like them.
It also gives an employer little motivation to pay above and beyond the average because a business cannot control it's own allocation of funds, the union effectively does it for them. An employer won't give someone a 15% raise if they think the union is going to turn around and demand a 10% increase for all next year.
As I said, if you're in a skilled workforce, unions have little value. It doesn't matter if you're a mid-level nobody, collectively bargaining de-values everyone as a whole in that situation, the only people that benefit are the ones that are dragging the chains.
Don't really got a problem with private sector unions, and I know that it's thanks to unions that we got a lot of worker rights, but my god do I ever hate public sector unions, specially here in Toronto, the TTC Union is just the worst thing ever.
What do you considered skilled? RNs in states with strong Unions have significantly higher pay and lower nurse/patient ratios in certain types of units. A first year RN in LA can make have a base salary of $43hr next year while in Denver it would be $26/hr. There is a difference in cost of living but it's no where near that big. An ER and ICU RN has peoples' lives in their hands all day, every day but in non-union states they are treated poorly.
Lawyers are effectively organized in a trade union. Those types of skill-based groups due hold up in the modern economy because they weren't reliant on physical availability for leverage.Public services are the exclusion to the rule. When you have politics dictating price, you absolutely need unions.
Good luck unionizing things like law, science, IT etc. Unions are only truly effective when there is a narrow supply of employers or high availability of capable employees. Unions are what levels the playing field in the absence of competition creating a market.
What this chart misses is the fact that the majority of union jobs at the peak were found in mostly Midwestern manufacturing jobs. As the rest of the world rebuilt itself after WWII, and Asia began to enter the global marketplace, the truly unique place that created the obscene growth and wealth for middle America ended.
In layman's terms, of couse US wages are going to be high when only the US can make stuff. When everyone can make stuff however, things have to change.
What's the racial resentment angle?
I'd like to join a union but the major one for my industry is absolutely awful, like campaigning against marriage equality, abortion rights, in vitro fertilisation and stem cell research, against the wishes of its members.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/why-...rs-stopping-gay-marriage-20150430-1mwl32.html
There is a minor union that popped up because the major one is awful, but I don't know that they have enough power to do anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retail_and_Fast_Food_Workers_Union
It also gives an employer little motivation to pay above and beyond the average because a business cannot control it's own allocation of funds, the union effectively does it for them. An employer won't give someone a 15% raise if they think the union is going to turn around and demand a 10% increase for all next year.
As I said, if you're in a skilled workforce, unions have little value. It doesn't matter if you're a mid-level nobody, collectively bargaining de-values everyone as a whole in that situation, the only people that benefit are the ones that are dragging the chains.
In London I hate Unite. The Local Union for train and underground services. Mainly because the choose the worst possible moments to kick up a fuss about an issue.
That said, I would rather deal with all the crap and have them, than not have them at all.
If anything I think we need more Unions in the UK. They get a bad rep because they cause a lot of problems for people with money. However if recent decades have proven anything, there is a need for them now more than ever.
I don't blame this on either a company or a political party.
Unions have vastly outgrown their original mission. Unions used to be for safe, fair job conditions and pay. Now they are just obstructionist in nature if they don't get everything they want. They don't want to work with the company for you, they want the company to work for them so they become far more valuable in the employee's eyes.
Obstructionist, lol. How do you think they got fair working conditions and pay? By talking and asking nicely? They got it by literally fighting with police and strikebreakers and other scum hired by capitalists. Nothing was ever gained by asking nicely, only by blood and broken bones.
Might be different here in the UK but I wouldn't say they are frowned upon.
An interesting read Margaret Thatcher vs Unions
Arguably, that was the only way for UK economy to recover.