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Why didn't anyone tell me Windows still crashes?
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And an example of proper use of quotations would be, instead ofshadowcomplex said:
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" Macs "never" crash , lololololol"You would use single quotes for the embedded quote (And get rid of those extra spaces)
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"Macs 'never' crash, lololololol"I like good punctuation.
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Sharp said:
I wonder if it could be your video card overheating? In my experience, processor-related problems generally cause an instant reboot, while video card issues will often just lock up the computer and force the user to restart. Do you ever run games on the laptop or anything else that would cause the video card to work hard? Any issues there?
Sharp said:
I guess they assumed you were a semi-competent computer user and would understand the difference between software and hardware defects. I don't even own Windows 7 but you're acting like an ass in this entire thread.
YOU chose to take their advice. This is YOUR problem. Stop whining about what others said to you. YOU chose it. Seriously, take some responsibility. People wouldn't be so antagonistic if you didn't pull a Cortland Finnegan and play the victim.
ChocolateCupcakes
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Sharp said:
You just completely contradicted yourself.
If I'd just said "My mac hardly ever crashed" instead of "Macs don't crash" would I be able to avoid like half the responses in this thread? For the record, I wouldn't really mind if it were just Firefox crashing, so I'm not sure what other contradictions there are in what I said. FWIW, Windows XP hardly ever crashed for me either (though still more than OS X did), which is why I was rather surprised to find Windows 7 crashing constantly.ChocolateCupcakes said:
fortified_concept
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Laptops suck.
They overheat, have performance issues, ridiculous little problems that affect stability, their drivers support depends entirely on the attitude of each laptop manufacturer and they not that easy to fix by yourself. I bet it's a hardware problem not a software one.
They overheat, have performance issues, ridiculous little problems that affect stability, their drivers support depends entirely on the attitude of each laptop manufacturer and they not that easy to fix by yourself. I bet it's a hardware problem not a software one.
Anton Sugar
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Only Windows 7 crashes I've had were hardware related. Hope you find what's causing it, I love W7.
Robobandit
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Sharp said:
Unless you've got a fresh installation of windows with no factory-loaded crap, I'd say it could be some of the add-on stuff that Lenovo puts on machines.
A windows 7 base installation without OEM (lenovo, dell, etc.) crap added and a machine without any defective hardware is remarkably stable.
I've been running it for over a year at work and at home and I have not had any blue screens or random reboots that were not due to a hardware problem.
BTW, you don't have to buy CDs to run memtest. SystemRescueCD can boot from a usb drive and includes memtest+.
Read all about it here: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_install_SystemRescueCd_on_an_USB-stick
http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_System_boot_floppy_disks#MemTest.2B
Read all about it here: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_install_SystemRescueCd_on_an_USB-stick
http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_System_boot_floppy_disks#MemTest.2B
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Sharp said:
The only reason I thought it might be your video card is because you mentioned that it locks up when you run Flash. Hardware acceleration can be enabled in newer versions of Flash, which might be causing your video card to heat up? If that's the case, your card is almost certainly faulty. I really have no idea what's causing it, but it might be worth trying to run a 3D-intensive program or game to test your video card out and make sure it isn't the problem.
The USB version is available for download on the site as well, but unfortunately I don't own a USB drive at the moment. I've just been storing all my work on a remote Linux machine owned by my school between laptops... that's why I was hoping I wouldn't have to use any external device.synt4x said:
ChocolateCupcakes
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Sharp said:
Yeah, pretty much.
Windows has always been a piece of shit. It has gotten more bearable with each version but it still is fuckin trash. Currently running Windows 7 64 bit on this computer I built summer of 09. It runs pretty decent but something aggravating will pop up often. I've had to reformat once which is one too many seeing as it is a pretty big hassle. This isn't so much of a Macs are better post than it is Windows is garbage and its fans that defend it are bottom barrel embarrassing. Haven't read any replies yet itt but I know there are gonna be a couple posters that are going to embarrass themselves defending Windows if there haven't been already.
Sharp said:
Well, there's this if you have the means: http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_PXE_network_booting
Edit: and you should just get a usb stick. It's great for things like this. I carry one in my wallet with SystemRescueCD on it at all times. You never know
2 Minutes Turkish
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Sounds like a hardware problem.
I have a MacBookPro 15" 08/09, which actually crashes very rarely, but everyone I know running Win7 has never had the slightest issue.
I left Windows and switch to Mac thanks to Vista, Win7 might sway me back. Or I'll just dual boot when I buy a new iMac.
I have a MacBookPro 15" 08/09, which actually crashes very rarely, but everyone I know running Win7 has never had the slightest issue.
I left Windows and switch to Mac thanks to Vista, Win7 might sway me back. Or I'll just dual boot when I buy a new iMac.
fortified_concept
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Fireye said:
Well, to be fair W7 is partly the cause of overheating issues though. Even in powersaver mode my laptop's fan used to spin like a motherfucker until I upgraded to XP.
PumpkinPie
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My W7 always crashes, I do have a Dell though so that may explain it.
The most stable OS I ever used was Vista, don't remember ever having a crash in the two years I used it.
The most stable OS I ever used was Vista, don't remember ever having a crash in the two years I used it.
Anton Sugar
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Oh, really? You don't say! How fascinating!
Isn't there some official Windows vs. Mac thread where the platform wars shit can go?
Running HD Tune right now, incidentally, so I will report back to you if it finds anything (it probably won't). I will also check into the remote memtest launch, though I don't think I'll be able to do it with the hardware I have available... might as well just borrow a USB drive from someone.
Running HD Tune right now, incidentally, so I will report back to you if it finds anything (it probably won't). I will also check into the remote memtest launch, though I don't think I'll be able to do it with the hardware I have available... might as well just borrow a USB drive from someone.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Man, you're the one that said "Apple hardware sucks," and then I point you twice to a link about a recall on your specific MacBook Pro model, and you've ignored it completely. You could at least have a working backup computer right now.Sharp said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I am a programmer and systems administrator.
I administrate boxes running Windows 7, Windows 2003, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Mac OSX Server 10.6, Ubuntu, Fedora, and IBM AIX. These systems are made by a wide variety of OEM vendors, using a wide variety of aftermarket parts. Some of these machines have no load, others have heavy load. Some have regular hard drives, some have hardware RAIDs, some have software RAIDs, some are connected to an XSan, some are connected to a Promise Array. At my last job I also worked with OS9 Classic hardware.
I am posting using a Windows 7 desktop. I also own a Macbook Pro, a Windows XP eeepc, a Macbook, an iPad, and an iPhone. In the past I've used an iBook, a Compaq Presario laptop that ran Debian and Windows XP, an eMachines laptop with XP, and a half-dozen desktops running XP, 2000. When I did my CS degree, I did almost all my schoolwork on school-provided Linux machines running some apt-enabled distro, not sure which, probably Debian based on the timeframe. That's just in the last decade. I have no dog in an OS pissing match.
OSX is very stable and rarely crashes. Most crashes are hardware related. It is basically impossible for crashes to be related to drivers or other bad hardware-software interactions because the hardware is a known quantity. Windows does not have that luxury; god knows what parts are in any given Windows computer. No one needs to compensate for the OP by proclaiming that OSX is crash-prone when it really isn't.
As far as Apple construction goes, it's varied very wildly. They had the iBook logic board problem, a number of battery issues, power adapter issues pre magsafe, still some power adapter issues post magsafe, the 2007 bad video card batch, a few issues with Hitachi hard drives particularly in Macbooks, the Macbook plastic cracking problem, the Macbook trackpad discolouration problem, and many other problems. On the other hand, the vast majority of their products work very well and are sturdy. I've dropped many Macs a wide variety of distances and they generally survive pretty well, and Apple was one of the first laptop manufacturers to add a hard drive motion sensor to mitigate that problem.
That being said, pretty much the only thing that seriously crashes Windows 7 is going to be hardware related. While the recent ATI->Flash GPU Acceleration crash is a driver level thing, it's still the case that the vast vast majority of crashes are going to be bad hardware. Bad RAM, bad Video Card, bad hard drive in that order, with bad motherboard and processor taking up the rear.
Laptops are inordinately more prone to hardware wear and tear than desktops. First, because you move them around. Second, due to inadequate ventilation and heat/cold stress. Third, because many OEM laptops are put together using cheap, low quality parts. Even expensive OEM laptops.
While a CS degree doesn't teach specific troubleshooting, there is a generally curious mindset that will inform 99.999% of troubleshooting. A laptop crashes. First, are there any physical signs of failure (clicking hard drive, physically broken laptop case, broken power adapter, etc)? Nope? Does the laptop boot? Does it crash while under heavy use or just simply from running? Are the fans generally going full tilt when it crashes? Are the fans failing to spin up at all? Do specific programs cause the crashes? Can I substitute those programs with other programs that do the same thing without replicating the crashes? Are there any logs that show errors before the hard crash? Can I google specific error messages to see if this is a common problem? Did these crashes start after installing a specific piece of software? Can I uninstall it? Do the crashes persist in safe mode? These are all basic troubleshooting questions.
You kinda brought it on yourself with an inflammatory thread title, making sure you mentioned you "switched back" in your OP, and even the premise--assuming by default, until people told you otherwise, that any crashes you experienced were a normal and widespread part of using Windows 7. Most of the content of your first post isn't even asking for help, it's wondering why no one has unmasked the epidemic of Microsoft crashes.
I administrate boxes running Windows 7, Windows 2003, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Mac OSX Server 10.6, Ubuntu, Fedora, and IBM AIX. These systems are made by a wide variety of OEM vendors, using a wide variety of aftermarket parts. Some of these machines have no load, others have heavy load. Some have regular hard drives, some have hardware RAIDs, some have software RAIDs, some are connected to an XSan, some are connected to a Promise Array. At my last job I also worked with OS9 Classic hardware.
I am posting using a Windows 7 desktop. I also own a Macbook Pro, a Windows XP eeepc, a Macbook, an iPad, and an iPhone. In the past I've used an iBook, a Compaq Presario laptop that ran Debian and Windows XP, an eMachines laptop with XP, and a half-dozen desktops running XP, 2000. When I did my CS degree, I did almost all my schoolwork on school-provided Linux machines running some apt-enabled distro, not sure which, probably Debian based on the timeframe. That's just in the last decade. I have no dog in an OS pissing match.
OSX is very stable and rarely crashes. Most crashes are hardware related. It is basically impossible for crashes to be related to drivers or other bad hardware-software interactions because the hardware is a known quantity. Windows does not have that luxury; god knows what parts are in any given Windows computer. No one needs to compensate for the OP by proclaiming that OSX is crash-prone when it really isn't.
As far as Apple construction goes, it's varied very wildly. They had the iBook logic board problem, a number of battery issues, power adapter issues pre magsafe, still some power adapter issues post magsafe, the 2007 bad video card batch, a few issues with Hitachi hard drives particularly in Macbooks, the Macbook plastic cracking problem, the Macbook trackpad discolouration problem, and many other problems. On the other hand, the vast majority of their products work very well and are sturdy. I've dropped many Macs a wide variety of distances and they generally survive pretty well, and Apple was one of the first laptop manufacturers to add a hard drive motion sensor to mitigate that problem.
That being said, pretty much the only thing that seriously crashes Windows 7 is going to be hardware related. While the recent ATI->Flash GPU Acceleration crash is a driver level thing, it's still the case that the vast vast majority of crashes are going to be bad hardware. Bad RAM, bad Video Card, bad hard drive in that order, with bad motherboard and processor taking up the rear.
Laptops are inordinately more prone to hardware wear and tear than desktops. First, because you move them around. Second, due to inadequate ventilation and heat/cold stress. Third, because many OEM laptops are put together using cheap, low quality parts. Even expensive OEM laptops.
While a CS degree doesn't teach specific troubleshooting, there is a generally curious mindset that will inform 99.999% of troubleshooting. A laptop crashes. First, are there any physical signs of failure (clicking hard drive, physically broken laptop case, broken power adapter, etc)? Nope? Does the laptop boot? Does it crash while under heavy use or just simply from running? Are the fans generally going full tilt when it crashes? Are the fans failing to spin up at all? Do specific programs cause the crashes? Can I substitute those programs with other programs that do the same thing without replicating the crashes? Are there any logs that show errors before the hard crash? Can I google specific error messages to see if this is a common problem? Did these crashes start after installing a specific piece of software? Can I uninstall it? Do the crashes persist in safe mode? These are all basic troubleshooting questions.
Sharp said:
You kinda brought it on yourself with an inflammatory thread title, making sure you mentioned you "switched back" in your OP, and even the premise--assuming by default, until people told you otherwise, that any crashes you experienced were a normal and widespread part of using Windows 7. Most of the content of your first post isn't even asking for help, it's wondering why no one has unmasked the epidemic of Microsoft crashes.
This may sound crazy but I have been using Vista x64 for 2 years and it's never crashed. Individual applications have locked up but the OS itself had never crashed.
I never understood the Vista hate.
As for the crashing, try uninstalling both Firefox and Flash an reinstalling. I know Firefox has had a long history of problems with Flash. Also try IE8 to see if the Flash issue is exclusive to Firefox.
I never understood the Vista hate.
As for the crashing, try uninstalling both Firefox and Flash an reinstalling. I know Firefox has had a long history of problems with Flash. Also try IE8 to see if the Flash issue is exclusive to Firefox.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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The Vista hate is easily understood when you run Windows 7.Zzoram said:
Coolio McAwesome
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I've been using Windows 7 every day for over a year. It hasn't crashed once. It's the most reliable operating system I've ever used.
Anton Sugar
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I just think you made a silly blanket statement of "Windows sucks, everyone is wrong" when Windows 7 is almost universally praised and lots of people in this thread love it.
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Your avatar has so many uses
To OP: It's a laptop, right? Do you have it running on a desk? Or is it on your lap most of the time? Think how you're holding it when in use.
You might be covering ventilation causing the computer to overheat.
BTW, stop blaming Windows. It's a hardware failure and that's all. The current OS for MACs and Windows don't crash, it's the hardware. DEAL WITH IT, CS MAJOR.
EDIT: DAMN... Stumpokapow laying' it down. XD
Zzoram said:
Because manufacturers were selling computers with 512mb of ram and shitty Celeron CPU's and putting Vista on them. Then there is all the shit PC manufacturers put on there PC's because they are paid to. Just as a side note almost every slow as shit PC I have ever worked on is inoperable for the first 5 min if it has fucking Norton on it. Which every PC manufacturer installs.
SlipperySlope
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Windows 7 has never flat out crashed on me. Sounds like a hardware problem.
Cool.Stumpokapow said:
No.
Yes.
I don't know if you'd qualify it as heavy use, but it's pretty much always when a Flash video is loading.
No and no.
Firefox.
True... and I received a variety of helpful suggestions from GAFers. But before checking all that I wanted to make sure it was a problem specific to me and not a generally common thing among Windows 7 users.
Fair enough. My first post was mostly born of frustration because I have always been the first guy to denounce people who say things like "Windows is always virus-infested and insecure and crashes all the time" so it kind of pissed me off when I got a new Windows laptop and it started happening to me straightaway.
Thing is I don't specifically hate the OS Windows. That was one of my rant posts. I am currently using it also since there a lot of things I like about it. I think some tech savvy people look too deep to correct people complaining. What I highly dislike is the general unpleasantness that comes from using a Windows running computer. Just all those little random problems, crashes, whatever. One experience shared by many people who have owned a PC. What is causing the problem is superfluous to me. I've had two macs, never reformatted them. One is years old and it still runs the same as the day I got it. I'm sure there are people that have great running windows computer but I think the general consensus is that many don't for several reasons. Seems like some people will often turn a blind eye to this.
Do you have two versions of flash installed? Try deleting all Flash variants from your computer and reinstalling the newest version.
Ubuntu but is this the same problem your having?
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=649401
Ubuntu but is this the same problem your having?
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=649401
ChocolateCupcakes
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Wtf? OP you got it a week ago? Just return it and they should fix it for free, easy. Unless just because you are a CS major you want to make sense of it first?
I haven't had a working laptop in about a month and I ordered it online so it would take awhile to get a replacement... it kind of sucks being a CS major and relying on library computers to do all your work. Before I made this thread I also didn't know that it was a hardware problem (technically I still don't) in which case returning it would have been pointless.ChocolateCupcakes said:
It came preinstalled on the machine. It handled the security update fine so I can't imagine it's especially different from the version available online.Chavelo said:
Okay... I have both the Flash Player 10 ActiveX and the Flash Player 10 plugin, one of which came with the computer (the ActiveX one). I presume that one only works in IE though.
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