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Why didn't anyone tell me Windows still crashes?
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ChocolateCupcakes
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Sharp said:
I dont understand why it would be pointless to return it.
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NinjaFridge
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24665155&postcount=67
I don't think that counts as ignoring your post.
Well, it would take another few weeks for me to get the new model, what little I have saved would likely be lost, I would be without a laptop turning that time period, and (if it were not in fact a hardware issue) I would have the same problems when I got the new model.ChocolateCupcakes said:
I haven't done this yet. I did just download Opera and Chrome, though, so I'll see if I have the same issues on those browsers. I'm kind of partial to Firefox since I worked on it so I am kind of hoping the issue lies with Flash though.R2D4 said:
ChocolateCupcakes
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R2D4 said:
Ah true. I forgot its not that simple.
Sharp said:
Oh ok. And dude, flash drive.
Consult HWMonitor or a similar program that displays temperature censor information. It is supremely likely that there is a hardware fault somewhere, and this will make one extremely obvious. It is possible that the only hardware fault is a broken temperature gague -- my old desktop would "safety" itself off profusely because it thought that the CPU was running at 127 degrees celcius -- but it is far more likely that something is running hotter, faster, or slower than it should be.
I'm not sure, exactly. It's not reproducible in the sense that a certain set of open Youtube tabs will reliably produce the crash, so short of keeping tabs on my memory at all times this might be difficult to ascertain. It should definitely by waaaaay less than 4 GB of RAM though, I generally have under 40 tabs open and Firefox doesn't leak memory that quickly--especially since I don't have any extensions so the cycle detection should work okay. Does Windows 7 log critical system information after a crash? If so, where can I find it?zoku88 said:
Sharp said:
:lol :lol :lol
I've seen nearly as many kernel panics as blue screens in my life.
Your Windows OS is crashing because you have faulty hardware or you have faulty kernel-level shit (typically your video card drivers).
Drkirby said:
Against. Quotations are for exact references. Alternating between " and ' doesn't solve the inherent potential ambiguity - there can be multiple layers of quotations, the use of the " and ' characters themselves in the quoted text, etc. And this use is inapplicable when spoken.
When quoting something that contains quotes, quote it and deal with it. Potential ambiguity is fixed in 99.999% of cases by humans having a damned brain. If you wanted to truly solve it, you'd need an escape sequence for literal quotation marks, such as \". Then you'd need an escape sequence for \, such as \\. Completely removing ambiguity is great, and I'm all for it, but toggling between " and ' doesn't do that. And an escape character doesn't work in spoken language.
Fjolle
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You had the answer for that in the first post.Sharp said:
If you wanted help to know why your laptop crashed maybe you should have formulated your post around that: "My Windows 7 laptop is crashing several times a day. I understand that this is not normal. Can you guys help me find the problem?"
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Try this maybe?Sharp said:
Anton Sugar
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True, but this is all anecdotal and relies heavily on past experiences with MS/Windows. While you say you always have problems with Windows and Apple never crashes, my own experience is that, so far, Windows 7 hasn't crashed unless it's hardware related. Windows 7 is great--I don't have any minor "bugs" I just decide to "live with", nor major ones.
MWS Natural
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Gaborn said:
I've had it since beta on various machines as well as PC's at my job and NEVER had a crash.
Lenovo products come with a program called System Update that will identify and install driver updates for your laptop, including many that Windows Update won't identify.
It beats having to hunt them down manually, and may find video driver, or even BIOS updates for your machine. Search "update" in the Start Menu.
It beats having to hunt them down manually, and may find video driver, or even BIOS updates for your machine. Search "update" in the Start Menu.
Freakinchair
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I'd wager that an extremely high percentage of windows "crashes" are an end user problem. Sadly however, everyone just points and goes LOL WINDOWS. If you don't know anything about computers don't pretend that you do.
I can't seem to find it, but I got the ATI Install Manager so hopefully that will help.Salmonax said:
Barring hardware issues, modern operating systems really shouldn't be able to be completely taken down by anything an end user does. Obviously it still happens, since operating systems are generally large and complex, but it's very rare.Freakinchair said:
Edit: Okay, I installed what should hopefully be the latest drivers for my graphics card, so I'll see if this keeps happening.
pieatorium
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Haven't had a crash in win 7 yet, firefox occasionally freezes, seems to mostly happen when lloading HD video and large picture files at the same time but I just retart firefox and am golden
BloodySinner
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Windows 7 crashed several times when I was playing Bad Company 2.
WickedAngel
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Sharp said:
I'm sure that Microsoft (Among others) would like to know how to develop and OS that can reliably solve a problem with an infinite number of variables.
Sharp said:
Because Windows is designed to bluescreen when applications cause segmentation faults for one thing. Microsoft can't fix everyone else's software.
What does a Mac or Linux box do when an application just starts spewing garbage in Kernel memory? If it doesn't BS, how does the OS even remain stable with corrupt memory?
I didn't read through this entire thread.. but does it have an ATI graphics card? I had a problem with the latest ATI drivers and the included WMV9/VC-1 codec. I had to uninstall that codec or else all flash videos and DXVA content in Windows Media Player Home Cinema would hard crash my PC.
I've had Windows 7 64-bit crash 3 times. Only one of them was possibly Microsoft's fault:
1. AVG Free bluescreened games because it's a Nazi with save folders on Documents...you have to create exceptions. (I no longer use AVG free for this reason).
2. VPN client. I used Windbg to confirm this and find the solution on google.
3. Crysis crashed. Direct X was in the stack, but it could have been faulty HW or Crysis SW in an isolated case.
1. AVG Free bluescreened games because it's a Nazi with save folders on Documents...you have to create exceptions. (I no longer use AVG free for this reason).
2. VPN client. I used Windbg to confirm this and find the solution on google.
3. Crysis crashed. Direct X was in the stack, but it could have been faulty HW or Crysis SW in an isolated case.
Yeah, I don't get Vista hate ether. Its a resource hog without any great benifit, but I think I have only seen a Blue Screen on it twice. Once is when I was having issues with the fan, and anther time when running a program codded in 1997 destablized the entire OS for some odd reason.Zzoram said:
Sans hardware issues (including driver problems), there is no fundamental reason why any program should be able to completely crash a modern operating system. You may be confusing that with the problem of preventing any program from crashing (which is indeed impossible since it's reducible to the Halting Problem). The reason operating systems still crash from time to time is because they are immensely complex, large programs with huge amounts of source code that would take forever to debug completely, and are being continuously modified anyway. That shouldn't be confused with needing to "solve a problem with an infinite number of variables."WickedAngel said:
It does have an ATI Graphics card. I certainly hope that the latest codec isn't the problem, since I just downloaded it. Since not every Flash video is crashing I'm hoping I have a different problem, though.pestul said:
A program other than the operating system shouldn't be able to actually modify kernel memory... we are not living in the '90s ffs.teh_pwn said:
Iced_Eagle
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Every computer is different. I've been using Win 7 since internal Milestone 2 (pre-beta) and even from that point until now, I've had it crash only once.
It sounds like a hardware problem, likely crappy drivers. Unfortunately, even though Windows is fairly crash-proof, drivers run in kernel mode, so if random bluetooth device driver maker has a bug in their code, and it crashes the driver, you'll likely BSOD. Windows does a lot to protect this though (if it can recover it will try, such as with video card drivers), but even still, issues will come up.
If you ever thought any software was crash-proof, you're just fooling yourself. :lol
It sounds like a hardware problem, likely crappy drivers. Unfortunately, even though Windows is fairly crash-proof, drivers run in kernel mode, so if random bluetooth device driver maker has a bug in their code, and it crashes the driver, you'll likely BSOD. Windows does a lot to protect this though (if it can recover it will try, such as with video card drivers), but even still, issues will come up.
If you ever thought any software was crash-proof, you're just fooling yourself. :lol
Sharp said:
I guess we don't need drivers then, which allocate in the kernel pool. There are error cases and bad drivers that can screw up and mess with memory in the kernel that they don't own. It happens.
How does MAC or Linux handle this?
Drivers are the obvious exception, and to be honest if people were willing to sacrifice some performance for stability those wouldn't necessarily cause crashes either. Either way, Macs have a lot fewer driver issues than PCs, since all the hardware is more or less the same...teh_pwn said:
As for Linux? Most of my problems with Linux have to do with the drivers.
fortified_concept
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delirium said:
I even replaced the thermal paste. It just seems that W7 is too heavy for my 2008 laptop.
bggrthnjsus
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i have an old ass macbook and a vista desktop...both have locked up requiring a reboot about the same amount of times (maybe 5 times each over 4 years). both also had a hard drive crash, but that's more of a hardware issue.
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Freakinchair said:
:lol :lol :lol Wow people are going IN. Anyways yeah, Win7 is a rock. I had a window once say "Not Responding" but that was because my mechanical HD had either spun down, or turned itself off from non use. Once it spun up and saved the file I was trying to save to it, everything continued.
Thats as close as I have ever gotten to a crash in Win7.
BloodySinner
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jambo said:
Then my OS wouldn't be receiving the BSOD.
ClosingADoor
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BloodySinner said:
That can be caused by a problem with the game as well I think.
Stabby McSter
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user error!
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